Opening statements.[W:458]

[JackFrost]

Re: Opening statements.

They are alleging ill-will, hatred and evil mind. And yet no hostility in the words that supposedly prove such. :doh iLOL

Why would there be hostility toward a NEN dispatcher named Sean?

 

[Excon]

Re: Opening statements.

Why would there be hostility toward a NEN dispatcher named Sean?

:doh
There was no hostility in the words spoken, period.

 

[year2late]

Re: Opening statements.

Has that ever been an issue? The words themselves are hostile.

Someone can say "****ing <insert whatever demeaning word here>". Is anyone going to take that as anything but hostility? Would you describe that as a friendly compliment?

I can buy extreme frustration aimed at a group of people. How someone acts on that frustration is individual.

 

[ABC10]

Re: Opening statements.

Why would there be hostility toward a NEN dispatcher named Sean?

I am watching that segment of the trial right now and for what ever reason, Sean does not seem to like the prosecution. Perhaps, cause the State wants to hang SPD by the yard arm and emergency services.
For sure, Sean does not like the State lawyer/

 

[Excon]

Re: Opening statements.

Wrong!

iLOL:doh

You are the one asserting something that has already been debunked by witnesses. The burden of proof is on you and you alone to prove.

Which of course you can't, as what you said was untrue.

Wrong.
But I did call it. Around and around we go.
It is on you to support that it has been debunked as you claim.
So get a supporting.

But as we all know, you can't.
So I guess we will just keep going in circles until you do.

 

[ecofarm]

Re: Opening statements.

Ah OK.

Look at fish and you will notice the vertebrae is arched. As the fish dries that arch get sharper and more define. So by breaking it's back it straightens the fish out.

It is also the way I can tell how fresh the fish is.

Straighter that vertebrae fresher the fish. That's why it's important to keep fresh fish on ice instead of cold storage, cold storage will also dry the fish out.

I learn something every day. I fished (fresh water, bay and Gulf Stream) from ~6yo - 15yo every month. I've caught and cut hundreds of fish. I never heard we could cheat on the length. hah

I judge fresh fish by the eyes.

 

[ABC10]

Re: Opening statements.

People on "your side" keep bringing up height differences. Why not address this question to folks on "your side".

It keeps getting implied that Trayvon towered over Zimmerman.

I've been waiting a year to see O'Mara stand next to the 7/11 clerk. We all see how Martin towers over the clerk who claims to be 5'10". Earlier West said Zimmerman is 5'7" so not only did Martin tower over the clerk, with Zimmerman being 3" shorter then the clerk it must have looked like David and Galiath. Sorry we can't see George and the clerk stand side by side but when the time comes, the difference in his height to O'Mara and the clerk will be obvious to all but the Tray folk who are of the Deny, deny and in the face of all evidence, keep denying school of evidence.
And if the clerk is 5'10" then clearly Martin was far taller then 5'11". This is not nuclear science or as Goucho would say "Are you going to believe me or your own lying eyes". I, for one, am going with my eyes.

 

[Excon]

Re: Opening statements.

I've been waiting a year to see O'Mara stand next to the 7/11 clerk. We all see how Martin towers over the clerk who claims to be 5'10". Earlier West said Zimmerman is 5'7" so not only did Martin tower over the clerk, with Zimmerman being 3" shorter then the clerk it must have looked like David and Galiath. Sorry we can't see George and the clerk stand side by side but when the time comes, the difference in his height to O'Mara and the clerk will be obvious to all but the Tray folk.
Deny, deny and in the face of all evidence, keep denying.
And if the clerk is 5'10" then clearly Martin was far taller then 5'11". This is not nuclear science or as Goucho would say "Are you going to believe me or your own lying eyes". I for one am going with my eyes.

They all know it. But are compelled to lie because of their bias.

 

[year2late]

Re: Opening statements.

I've been waiting a year to see O'Mara stand next to the 7/11 clerk. We all see how Martin towers over the clerk who claims to be 5'10". Earlier West said Zimmerman is 5'7" so not only did Martin tower over the clerk, with Zimmerman being 3" shorter then the clerk it must have looked like David and Galiath. Sorry we can't see George and the clerk stand side by side but when the time comes, the difference in his height to O'Mara and the clerk will be obvious to all but the Tray folk.
Deny, deny and in the face of all evidence, keep denying.
And if the clerk is 5'10" then clearly Martin was far taller then 5'11". This is not nuclear science or as Goucho would say "Are you going to believe me or your own lying eyes". I, for one, am going with my eyes.

I will believe the coroner with a tape measure with lack of the potential visual distortion.

But damn, if he was 6'3" and 158 pounds.....crap....that is damned skinny. Damned skinny.

Unless we do not believe the weight either.

I am curious if the coroner has reprimands or such for making such mistakes.

 

[AlfredENeuman]

Re: Opening statements.

See Grim17?

It's relevant because some people refuse to accept the facts of the heights and weights of those involved. It's almost pathological. It goes against what they really, really, really want so they will literally believe that photograph over the ME's official measurement.

Will you guys do this with every piece of evidence? Because if people won't accept and ME doing basic work like measuring the corpse of the victim, then really why have this conversation with you at all?

 

[Excon]

Re: Opening statements.

But damn, if he was 6'3" and 158 pounds.....crap....that is damned skinny. Damned skinny.

Does skinny prevent a person from engaging in a surprise attack, knocking someone down, getting on-top and slamming their head into the ground?
I am sure it doesn't, as Zimmerman has the injuries.

 

[ABC10]

Re: Opening statements.

Why would there be hostility toward a NEN dispatcher named Sean?

Ah, Sean lights up when responding to O'Mara and even smiles. My guess is the State guys have really hassled poor Sean.

 

[Excon]

Re: Opening statements.

See Grim17?

It's relevant because some people refuse to accept the facts of the heights and weights of those involved. It's almost pathological. It goes against what they really, really, really want so they will literally believe that photograph over the ME's official measurement.

Will you guys do this with every piece of evidence? Because if people won't accept and ME doing basic work like measuring the corpse of the victim, then really why have this conversation with you at all?

Your denial is noted.
The ME was mistaken. Your clinging to that report, in face of the evidence, is what is pathological.
™ was taller than 5'11".

 

[charlie hodge]

Re: Opening statements.

Do you not understand the significance of the following statement?

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He was obviously taller than 5'11".
You folks also keep ignoring that his family knew how tall he was, and they reported him to be 6'2".
But in your mind, the flawed autopsy report is somehow accurate.
Even though the other official record says ™ was an inch taller.

Every other piece of evidence, which includes visual record, indicates ™ was taller than 5'11".
Yet you you want to ignore them. That is defined as idiotic.

It's sad to see you reduced to something as silly and inconsequential as arguing the medical documents recording Martin's height were incorrect.

The medical professional who measured Martin's height trumps whatever you think you can derive by looking at a photo with nothing providing scale.

One is science. The other is speculation.

Science wins everytime.

 

[Stardog]

Re: Opening statements.

My gawd this is hilarious.
This guy isn't even credible in his story telling.

Yea, you ain't seen nothing yet. Just wait until the defense opens a murder trial with a Knock, Knock joke. :lamo

 

[charlie hodge]

Re: Opening statements.

Does skinny prevent a person from engaging in a surprise attack, knocking someone down, getting on-top and slamming their head into the ground?
I am sure it doesn't, as Zimmerman has the injuries.

Two small cuts. No concussion. No skull fractures. No headache. No other signs of head trauma.

Yes, the medical evidence clearly demonstrates Zimmerman had his head repeatedly slammed onto concrete.

 

[Excon]

Re: Opening statements.

Two small cuts. No concussion. No skull fractures. No headache. No other signs of head trauma.

Yes, the medical evidence clearly demonstrates Zimmerman had his head repeatedly slammed onto concrete.

Of course it shows his head was slammed.
You must think he wasn't resisting the slamming, which is why you expect greater injury. :doh iLOL

 

[Stardog]

Re: Opening statements.

JFC?

J-ack
F-rost
C-(???)

What is the C for?

He must eat a lot of chicken. KFC.

 

[charlie hodge]

Re: Opening statements.

Obviously not as you are wrong.
As the exchange happen before he struck him.The closet witness says the exchange was of three. As Serino stated, a volley of three.

He approached yelling when he asked, and immediately struck Zimmerman upon arrival.

Apparently the inability to offer a consistent narrative is a contagion that has spread from Zimmerman to his defenders.

 

[Excon]

Re: Opening statements.

It's sad to see you reduced to something as silly and inconsequential as arguing the medical documents recording Martin's height we're incorrect.

The medical professional who measured Martin's height trumps whatever you think you can derive by looking at a photo with nothing providing scale.

One is science. The other is speculation.

Science wins everytime.

Wrong!
As the ME was wrong.
He is clearly taller than 5'11".

And take up you sadness (iLOL) with the defense.
They have already established what the ME stated, and the actual height of the the 7/11 clerk, 5'10", and stated that Trayvon towered over him.
Then the video was played later while the clerk was on the stand, clearly showing ™ was taller than the clerk by more than an inch.
So you are doing nothing but grasping.

As I previously stated. I can show in the video ™'s height to be taller when he is of greater distance from the camera and at a greater angle.
Which if you understand, those things would make him appear smaller, yet he still appears taller because he is significantly taller than the clerk.


™ was not 5'11". He was taller as the 7/11 video shows. Ask his family. They say he was 6'2". At one time they even said 6'3".

The following does not show a 1 inch difference, but a greater difference.

So you continue on with you bs and games. ™ is taller than 5'11".

 

[Excon]

Re: Opening statements.

Apparently the inability to offer a consistent narrative is a contagion that has spread from Zimmerman to his defenders.

Apparently you are confused again as this happened in the same time period.
The three exchanges happened as he approached. Do you really not know the evidence?
He then struck Zimmerman upon arrival.
Damn pay attention to the evidence.

 

[year2late]

Re: Opening statements.

Yea, you ain't seen nothing yet. Just wait until the defense opens a murder trial with a Knock, Knock joke. :lamo

That was just weird. Was not even funny. What was the point?

I wonder what Trayvons family thought. Their son (flawed or not) was killed. And this guy is making jokes.

 

[charlie hodge]

Re: Opening statements.

Of course it shows his head was slammed.
You must think he wasn't resisting the slamming, which is why you expect greater injury. :doh iLOL

Either Zimmerman's head was repeatedly slammed against the concrete or it wasn't. He claims it was. The medical records defy this claim.

 

[CycloneWanderer]

Re: Opening statements.

It's sad to see you reduced to something as silly and inconsequential as arguing the medical documents recording Martin's height we're incorrect.

The medical professional who measured Martin's height trumps whatever you think you can derive by looking at a photo with nothing providing scale.

One is science. The other is speculation.

Science wins everytime.

This conversation reminds me of grad school. The variance/measurement error in measuring simple things such as height and length of the human body is what led to anthropometry being discarded as the primary means of personal identification in the U.S. penal system. That is why finger prints replaced it as the primary means of ID'ing criminals.

LINK for you crazy source-driven people: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=suspect%20identities%20a%20history%20of%20fingerprinting%20and%20criminal%20identification&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDMQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.com%2Fbooks%2Fabout%2FSuspect_Identities.html%3Fid%3D3CYqtVk6oI8C&ei=g7zIUejcKZOE9gSQsoCQBw&usg=AFQjCNGI-_4z1qlLvR3mb4J9SPibKF_iaw&bvm=bv.48293060,d.eWU

I'm not making any judgement on the validity of the measurements provided by the ME. It could be a perfectly accurate measurement.

 

[Excon]

Re: Opening statements.

Either Zimmerman's head was repeatedly slammed against the concrete or it wasn't. He claims it was. The medical records defy this claim.

No they do not.

They clearly support his account.