Navy Pride
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For the most part I agree with you. :shock: I know....Navy Pride said:One thing I have never understood about the hate for our military during the Vietnam Conflict.........I know the left wing liberal media and people like Kerry piutting us down by calling us murderers, rapists and baby killers did not help the situation and all the publicity "Hanoi" Jane Fonda got when she was on that gun mount in North Vietnam did not help...............
We in the military were just trying to do our job to the best of our ability and to be spit on and insulted upon our return to the U.S. was totally out of line.........
Now you start seeing the same thing starting to happen in Iraq with the Cindy Sheehan, Senators Durbin and Kennedy.........
It is really sad that the left in this country could stoop so low........
shuamort said:For the most part I agree with you. :shock: I know....
A big part of it is the "kill the messenger" mentality. That the troops part and parcel support the war, its mission, its purpose, and all of the actions that happen therein. It's like blaming a mail clerk at Tyco for what the CEO did.
The problem is, your sig line and the thought behind that which lends to the extreme opposite mentality of what you're condemning in your post. What is a person to do if they're against the war? Let's take an extreme example here. The next president, whoever that may be, decides to declare war on Canada because of something ridiculous like they don't tax cigarrettes enough. We're sending soldiers in and war is being fought. The US citizens disagree with the war, should they protest? Should they rally against the war that's being driven by the president? Or should they keep their mouths shut because the troops don't want to hear the dissent that the people think the war is asinine?
To put it simply, it's not the troops' fault we went to Viet Nam, it was the administration's. It's not the troops' fault we went to Iraq, it's the administration's. A protest against the war is a protest against the administration's decision and not the troops. Or at least, it should be.
mistermain said:I wasn't around during vietnam so I can't really comment on what happened. What the far left is doing today is disgusting. However I believe that only a small portion of the left is involved in these acts of disrespect. These people should be banished. When we fry our own boys because they acted reactively in an extremely hostile situation we are no better than our enemies. Who are we to second guess our brave soldiers in times of war (unless of course it is an obvious criminal act)?
I really do hope we can all unite soon. The paritisan games both sides are playing are going to destroy our country.
cnredd said:I would've hoped that the majority of the left that you think do not get involved in these "acts of disrespect" would denounce the actions of this minority...
This has not happened...
mistermain said:You're absolutely right. These fanatics have been put up on a pedestal. The majority I referred to needs to smack these people down. They do nothing but harm our country.
Good call CN!
taxpayer said:But don't forget the "thousands" of our troops in Nam (like me) that kissed U.S. soil when they returned and thanked the protesters for getting them out of Nam!
When I returned I remember seeing clips of BULL DOG NIXONs face on TV saying, send in 50,000 MORE TROOPS, like we were just a bunch of cattle.
If it were NOT for the protesters protesting DURING Nam, many more would have died there.
Most guys I knew in NAM were GLAD to get out of there no matter WHAT was said by the protesters!
I didn't hear of ONE of our troops saying that they were MAD that the protesters got them out! Although WE did not agree with some of the methods the protesters used WE sure do thank them for getting us out of Nam!
BTW: You make it seem like ALL the protesters were spitting on us and calling us names! NOT TRUE! MOST protesters were the ones carrying around pictures of us, lockets and other things. And how about all the YELLOW RIBBONS the protesters were carrying with them?
Guess you forgot about all of those things!
YOU could have VOLUNTEERED to stay there! DID YOU?:roll:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------Navy Pride said:You mean you were part of John Kerry's"Band of Brothers."...Maybe you don't have a problem with being spit on and called names but all the Vietnam Vets I know did.......
I guess you don't have a problem with 58,000 GIs(6 personal friends of mine) dying for nothing because your friends and you did not have the stomach to finish the job and wanted to cut and run....That does not even count the millions of Vietnamese who were sympathetic to the U.S. being massacured after we left.........
Thank God no matter how much you lefties whine this President will not cut and run...........
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NA! I was not any part of Kerrys Band! Maybe YOU were, who knows!
I was just another Grunt that wanted to live!
NA! I had the stomach to do what ever it took to accomplish our missions, stay alive and protect my buddies in Nam! I did whatever I was asked to do no questions asked.
Cut and run??? NA! Where was I going to cut and run to in NAM? Ever been there?
BTW: Bush alwready cut and run from serving in Nam! He was home putting yellow ribbons on trees to show his support for the ones fighting in Nam! Thanks for your service putting up yellow ribbons Bush! Now theres someone you should be bashing and questioning! At least Kerry served!
NA! I was not any part of Kerrys Band! Maybe YOU were, who knows!
Cut and run??? NA! Where was I going to cut and run to in NAM? Ever been there?
BTW: Bush alwready cut and run from serving in Nam! He was home putting yellow ribbons on trees to show his support for the ones fighting in Nam! Thanks for your service putting up yellow ribbons Bush! Now theres someone you should be bashing and questioning! At least Kerry served
--------------Navy Pride said:Yeah, right
two tours in country........
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NO COMMENT!!!
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it always get back to the president with you Bush Haters.....I would love to see you pilot and F102.........
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I took some flying lessons. If Bush can pilot one then I guess I can too!
How many missions did Bush fly in NAM?<<<(0)<<<:roll: :doh Thats what counts!
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as far as kerry goes you need to check out the site swiftboat vets for the truth.You might actually learn something
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Our Vets have a right to state their feelings. But remember, listen to what many others Vets have to say too! They like Kerry.
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Anyway, can you post without personally bashing someone! Seems thats your way of hiding from the truth.
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Our Vets have a right to state their feelings. But remember, listen to what many others Vets have to say too! They like Kerry.
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Anyway, can you post without personally bashing someone! Seems thats your way of hiding from the truth.
please explain the last part. It doesn't sound right to me, but you know more about this sort of thing, so please enlighten me how exactly a large group of people who want to end the war could accidentally prolong it, other than the ones in power were jerks and prolonged it just to spite the dissenters.GySgt said:My Father doesn't and neither does the Veteran community surrounding Camp Lejeune.
You've got your facts wrong also regarding what the protester did for you. They, along with the political dissent in Washington, actually prolonged the war and cost more lives.
galenrox said:please explain the last part. It doesn't sound right to me, but you know more about this sort of thing, so please enlighten me how exactly a large group of people who want to end the war could accidentally prolong it, other than the ones in power were jerks and prolonged it just to spite the dissenters.
When are YOU going to learn to STOPSouthernDemocrat said:When are you right wingers going to quit trying to re-fight the Vietnam War?
cnredd said:When are YOU going to learn to STOP
generalizing and putting everybody with one corresponding opinion into the same group?
You would gain MUCH more credibility once you refrain from total character assasination by claiming people are living by some sort of blanket rulebook.
I'm gonna fill you in on a little something...
There are Christians that AREN'T right wing...
There are Liberals that DO agree with the war on Iraq...
There are Socialists that think Bush has done a good job...
There are Conservatives that think he hasn't...
There are Conservatives that DON'T like Rush Limbaugh...
There are Liberals that DON'T like Michael Moore...
There are Christians that DO believe abortion should be legal...
Not everyone "tows the party line" just because they agree with something here and there, and you narrow-minded placing them into a certain group is very insulting.
GySgt said:My Father doesn't and neither does the Veteran community surrounding Camp Lejeune.
You've got your facts wrong also regarding what the protester did for you. They, along with the political dissent in Washington, actually prolonged the war and cost more lives.[/QU
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I have NEVER heard of one Vet ever saying:
I am NOT glad to be on American soil again, I wish I were still fighting in Nam!
cnredd said:When are YOU going to learn to STOP
generalizing and putting everybody with one corresponding opinion into the same group?
You would gain MUCH more credibility once you refrain from total character assasination by claiming people are living by some sort of blanket rulebook.
I'm gonna fill you in on a little something...
There are Christians that AREN'T right wing...
There are Liberals that DO agree with the war on Iraq...
There are Socialists that think Bush has done a good job...
There are Conservatives that think he hasn't...
There are Conservatives that DON'T like Rush Limbaugh...
There are Liberals that DON'T like Michael Moore...
There are Christians that DO believe abortion should be legal...
Not everyone "tows the party line" just because they agree with something here and there, and you narrow-minded placing them into a certain group is very insulting.
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