One of my biggest problems with illegal immigrants

[Babykat]

Seriously... the US is built on multi-culturalism.

As for integration... lol Yea right. That is way you don't have places like Little Italy or Chinatown because you know that these immigrants instantly assimilated when they arrived.

Integration for immigrants takes generations. It took generations for the Irish to go from unwanted people like blacks and dogs.. to what you have today. Same goes for Italians, Polish and so on. Some are still discriminated against in the US.. blacks, Latinos and even the native Americans...

On top of that American immigrants (or European) hardly integrate enmass when they move country. Some do, but most don't and the more alien a country is the less integration.

I have lived in many countries during my life, and in no country did immigrants integrate or even attempt to integrate.. at least the first generation.

Here in Spain there are tons of expats who have been here foe 20 plus years and don't speak Spanish or integrate. Funny enough they complain often about immigrants in the home country not integrating...

When I lived in the Middle East... immigrants there from the US and Europe more than not lived in specially built western compounds... how is that for integration?


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I’m all for legal immigration in the USA. I believe we need more immigrants especially from countries like Mexico. I work in industrial construction and there is are very few people from the younger generation here in the USA that want or even can do what I do. Most of the younger men and women who can do what I do are second generation immigrants. We do e-verify and all our employees need to be legal citizens. Which means illegal immigrants can’t get a job with us. This means they are working jobs like sweat shops or migrant workers. Which is pretty much slave labor. This is my problem with illegal immigration. Because they are illegal and they fear being deported they just deal with bad working conditions and poor pay. If they do try to complain or improve the conditions they get deported. There are actually many cases where an illegal is hurt on a job and deported so they don’t have to take care of their medical needs. Illegal immigrants aren’t protected under law like all Americans are. I support boarder security because of this and to help stop smuggling into our country. But for the most part illegal immigrants aren’t smugglers.



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[sangha]

That (bolded above) kind of competition is simply a race to the bottom.

That is why we need a higher minimum wage and amnesty for all undocumented immigrants

 

[ttwtt78640]

That is why we need a higher minimum wage and amnesty for all undocumented immigrants

That combination would simply encourage more illegal immigration.

 

[sangha]

That combination would simply encourage more illegal immigration.

That doesn't seem to be the case. From what I've seen, it's the conditions in the immigrants home country that drives immigration

Right now, we have neither amnesty nor any increase in the MW for many years. Yet, from what some people are saying, immigration is so high that it amounts to an invasion

 

[ttwtt78640]

That doesn't seem to be the case. From what I've seen, it's the conditions in the immigrants home country that drives immigration

Right now, we have neither amnesty nor any increase in the MW for many years. Yet, from what some people are saying, immigration is so high that it amounts to an invasion

For many, working for a week in their homelands pays less than working for a day here. Raising our MW would make that difference worse - not better.

 

[sangha]

For many, working for a week in their homelands pays less than working for a day here. Raising our MW would make that difference worse - not better.

That would make more sense if the people who are willing to break the law by hiring undocumented workers were unwilling to break the MW laws

 

[Wan]

That doesn't seem to be the case. From what I've seen, it's the conditions in the immigrants home country that drives immigration

Conditions in the home country are one factor, but the (more desirable) conditions of the target country (like the USA) matter, too. There is a reason why Mexicans want to swarm into the US rather than oh...I don't know, some other h*ll-hole to their south.

 

[sangha]

Conditions in the home country are one factor, but the (more desirable) conditions of the target country (like the USA) matter, too. There is a reason why Mexicans want to swarm into the US rather than oh...I don't know, some other h*ll-hole to their south.

Good job completely missing the point

 

[mike2810]

You want to know who are some of the worst at integrating into our society? The rich.

They buy their own gated communities to set them apart from the rest of us. They buy their own private schools. They buy health insurance that many of us could never afford. And then when one little tiny scratch happens, they go bananas.

But immigrants? Just the opposite. They jump right into our culture because they have to. They have to just to survive. Language is their only real barrier, and if local and state governments would shell out the modest expense it would take to provide them with English classes, then even this wouldn't be a problem.

Been living in the SW for over 30 years. The "immigrants" do not jump right into our culture. They establish there own groupings. Just take a look at south Phoenix for example.

As far as language, some migrants have been here for decades and still do not speak English. They have no desire to learn. They live in a community that rarely speaks English. Doesn't help when signs in stores are in both English and Spanish, like Home Depot has out.

 

[Wan]

Good job completely missing the point

Ok then so what was your point? Maybe I missed it.

 

[sangha]

Ok then so what was your point? Maybe I missed it.

We weren't talking about why they choose the US to come to Instead of heading to some other nation. We were talking about why they choose to leave their home countries

 

[Phys251]

Been living in the SW for over 30 years. The "immigrants" do not jump right into our culture. They establish there own groupings. Just take a look at south Phoenix for example.

As far as language, some migrants have been here for decades and still do not speak English. They have no desire to learn. They live in a community that rarely speaks English. Doesn't help when signs in stores are in both English and Spanish, like Home Depot has out.

I'm sorry you feel that way.

 

[mike2810]

I'm sorry you feel that way.

It is not how I feel. It is what has happened in the SW.

 

[Phys251]

It is not how I feel. It is what has happened in the SW.

Your biased feelings are getting in the way to see reality.

 

[Babykat]

Your biased feelings are getting in the way to see reality.

What reality. That illegal immigrants create a sub class of citizens. That aren’t afford the same opportunities and protection under law that legal citizens enjoy. I group of people that corporations and politicians can take advantage freely.


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[mike2810]

Your biased feelings are getting in the way to see reality.

Again, "feelings". Sorry feelings has nothing to do with reality.
Have a good one. If you have not lived in the southwest and spent years in New Mexico or Arizona your opinion does not mean much.

 

[Phys251]

Again, "feelings". Sorry feelings has nothing to do with reality.

Exactly! And your feelings are getting in your way.

Have a good one. If you have not lived in the southwest and spent years in New Mexico or Arizona your opinion does not mean much.

:lamo

You think you have a clear understanding of the picture through your lens of prejudice? :lol:

 

[Lursa]

One of my biggest problems with illegal immigrants is not them committing crimes, it is the liberals supporting multiculturalism. They are so afraid of being called racists and bigots they believe these people do not have to assimilate to our culture.

America benefited from the multiculturalism of the industrial revolution and the waves of immigrants that came then.

What's wrong with multi-culturalism? Multiculturalism is diversity and pretty much everything benefits from diversity.

 

[Babykat]

Exactly! And your feelings are getting in your way.


:lamo

You think you have a clear understanding of the picture through your lens of prejudice? :lol:

The question here is illegal immigration. I support legal immigration. I think we should figure out how to stream line the immigration process. So more people from countries that need to come here can. I oppose illegal immigration. So I believe we need the wall. I support deportation of illegal immigrants. Unless they where brought here as children. I think if a illegal immigrant was raised here and went to high school here that they should just be given citizenship.


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[Babykat]

America benefited from the multiculturalism of the industrial revolution and the waves of immigrants that came then.

What's wrong with multi-culturalism? Multiculturalism is diversity and pretty much everything benefits from diversity.

I agree 100% the problem isn’t diversity. If necessity is the mother of invention, then diversity is the father. I personally believe that we as a society need immigrants to thrive. So I support stream lining the immigration process. But on the other hand illegal immigration is a problem.


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[Phys251]

The question here is illegal immigration. I support legal immigration. I think we should figure out how to stream line the immigration process. So more people from countries that need to come here can. I oppose illegal immigration. So I believe we need the wall. I support deportation of illegal immigrants. Unless they where brought here as children. I think if a illegal immigrant was raised here and went to high school here that they should just be given citizenship.


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I oppose illegal immigration, too. But even if you break a law you have rights. I am open to the possibility of deportation so long as it is done humanely, which I don't think it is right now.

Agreed with your sentiment about DREAMers. No reason to do anything but give them a pathway to citizenship.

 

[Lursa]

I agree 100% the problem isn’t diversity. If necessity is the mother of invention, then diversity is the father. I personally believe that we as a society need immigrants to thrive. So I support stream lining the immigration process. But on the other hand illegal immigration is a problem.


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Agreed

 

[mike2810]

Exactly! And your feelings are getting in your way.


:lamo

You think you have a clear understanding of the picture through your lens of prejudice? :lol:

Explain to me how it is prejudice to not want someone to enter the country illegally?
I have no issue when legal means are used. Labeling me prejudice must be an east coast thing. :mrgreen:

 

[Wan]

Agreed with your sentiment about DREAMers. No reason to do anything but give them a pathway to citizenship.

This is close to rewarding people for breaking laws. Come into the US illegally, pop out a kid, wait a few years, and then your child is made a citizen.

 

[Babykat]

This is close to rewarding people for breaking laws. Come into the US illegally, pop out a kid, wait a few years, and then your child is made a citizen.

Not really that person oppose illegal immigration. But making it easier to immigrate isn’t rewarding illegals. It’s making easer so they don’t feel like the have to break the law.


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