On the Terrorist Watch List - you can't buy a plane ticket, but you can buy a gun

[Somerville]

This article is from two years past

On terrorist watch list, but allowed to buy guns | Need to Know | PBS

The AP is reporting (April 28, 2011) that 247 people who are on the federal government’s so-called “terrorism watch list” bought guns in the U.S. last year, and it’s all totally legal. We know about these purchases because these buyers all went through the mandatory federal background check required from licensed gun dealers. But there is no law prohibiting people on the terror watch list from buying guns.

There’s also no way of knowing how many people on the terror watch list bought guns from private gun dealers, like those who set up stalls at hundreds of gun shows around the country. Why? Because private gun sales – meaning guns sold by un-licensed sellers – require no federal background check whatsoever.

Now add to that little fact the following one

Under current law, people can buy up to 50 pounds of explosive "black powder" with no background check, and can buy unlimited amounts of other explosive powders, such as "black powder substitute" and "smokeless powder."

Read more: Reid bill would require background checks to purchase explosives - The Hill's Floor Action
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plus one more fun fact from all the way back in 1996

The NRA, Taggants, and Revolution

The NRA opposes a government initiative to require that black powder be chemically tagged for later tracing. Various European countries do this and have used it to solve hundreds of bombings.

The NRA beat back a provision on taggants in last years' attempt to pass an antiterrorism bill. Now, in the wake of the Olympics pipe bomb, another taggants bill is before Congress.

Why does the NRA support terrorist bombers? April 24, 2013 - 'Taggants' In Gunpowder Might Have Helped Identify Bombers : NPR

 

[blaxshep]

The low hanging fruit on this one is that gun ownership is a constitutional right and being able to fly isn't.

 

[Fisher]

The Boston Bombers were identified and neutralized without taggants or background checks....:wink2:

 

[blaxshep]

Why does the NRA support terrorist bombers?

Gun haters use the victims of mass murder to advance their agenda ...

Why do the gun-haters support mass murderers?

 

[TurtleDude]

The low hanging fruit on this one is that gun ownership is a constitutional right and being able to fly isn't.

and no one or no political party is trying to ban or severely restrict plane travel in general

 

[sangha]

And the constitution clearly says that the people have a right to taggant-free black powder

 

[blaxshep]

And the constitution clearly says that the people have a right to taggant-free black powder

Thanks for proving you have no idea what the constitution's function is in the framework our or government.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

This article is from two years past

Now add to that little fact the following one

plus one more fun fact from all the way back in 1996

Why does the NRA support terrorist bombers? April 24, 2013 - 'Taggants' In Gunpowder Might Have Helped Identify Bombers : NPR

That black powder is used for the reloading of cartridges (bullets.) There is good reason why they opposed treating hand-reloaders like criminals. Expecting criminals to give each other background checks is the highest form of naivety I've ever seen.

Your straw man that the NRA supports terrorists is as lame as when Bush said the same thing about opponents to his Patriot Act. Do you really expect we 2nd Amendment supporters to take you seriously when you're being this dishonest?

 

[Somerville]

Gun haters use the victims of mass murder to advance their agenda ...

Why do the gun-haters support mass murderers?

I "liked" blaxshep's post because it is such a perfect example of the type of thinking that manages to excuse the actions of the NRA as it supports gun-makers more than it does gun owners. The type of thinking that really contains nothing more than emotional reactions rather than rationality.


Think about it: Even though Tamerlan Tsarnaev had been interviewed by the FBI and may or may not have been on a watch list, the only law he might have violated in buying a gun was Massachusetts state law but he could quite easily have bought a weapon in New Hampshire which has much more lax gun purchase requirements - because the NRA has managed to pay off enough legislators to prevent passage of any bill regarding firearms.

The Tsarnaevs violated no law when they bought gunpowder to make the bombs because the NRA stopped it.

it is true that taggants would have been less important in this specific case simply because surveillance cameras caught the two bombers as they acted in Boston - but if taggants had been in the gunpowder, it might have saved one policeman's life.

So yes - why does the NRA act in a way that enables terrorist bombings in this country? Are the profits of gun makers more important than the lives of American citizens?

 

[CanadaJohn]

I'm curious about three things:

1. Are you suggesting that the terror watch list be used for all kinds of commercial activity in the United States, not just for travelling via airplane or entering the country through customs/borders?

2. Are any of those people you claim bought guns legally, after a federal background check, who were on the terror watch list perhaps not properly on the list? Seems to me there has been a lot of complaint about errors on these lists - I think a senator or some other politician was held up not long ago.

3. If you have a complaint with the current federal background checks, why would you want to double down on more of the same?

 

[Somerville]

That black powder is used for the reloading of cartridges (bullets.) There is good reason why they opposed treating hand-reloaders like criminals. Expecting criminals to give each other background checks is the highest form of naivety I've ever seen.

Your straw man that the NRA supports terrorists is as lame as when Bush said the same thing about opponents to his Patriot Act. Do you really expect we 2nd Amendment supporters to take you seriously when you're being this dishonest?

I'm being dishonest? Show me the lies

 

[TurtleDude]

Thanks for proving you have no idea what the constitution's function is in the framework our or government.

He knows. unlike many of the anti gun posters, ignorance is not a characteristic of Sangha

 

[ChoppedLiver]

And the constitution clearly says that the people have a right to taggant-free black powder

Go to google and look up... NFA 1934, U.S. v. Miller 1939, and D.C. v. Heller 2010 and get back to us when you're educated on the subject so you won't post ignorant statements like the one above, M'Kay?

 

[Spartacus FPV]

I'm being dishonest? Show me the lies

You claimed the NRA supported terrorists, I am a member of the NRA; we do not. Liar

And the constitution clearly says that the people have a right to taggant-free black powder

To deny gun owners access to ammunition is to deprive them of their 2nd Amendment right, as well as rendering their firearms paperweights.

 

[TurtleDude]

That black powder is used for the reloading of cartridges (bullets.) There is good reason why they opposed treating hand-reloaders like criminals. Expecting criminals to give each other background checks is the highest form of naivety I've ever seen.

Your straw man that the NRA supports terrorists is as lame as when Bush said the same thing about opponents to his Patriot Act. Do you really expect we 2nd Amendment supporters to take you seriously when you're being this dishonest?

in all fairness, blackpowder is not the same as the powder (like AA5, 231, Clays, HP 38, Solo, etc) we use for reloading. Yes, there are blackpowder cartridges used by cowboy style shooters but mostly black powder is used in muskets. Its far more dangerous than modern smokeless powder (which cannot be used for bombs)

Turtle-master reloader-over half a million pistol rounds and 100,000 shot shells

 

[ChoppedLiver]

Go to google and look up... NFA 1934, U.S. v. Miller 1939, and D.C. v. Heller 2010 and get back to us when you're educated on the subject so you won't post ignorant statements like the one above, M'Kay?

Here. I'll make it easier for you. It's Wiki but it has links to the actual case information outside of just what's put up in a Wikidiki...

Firearm case law in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[molten_dragon]

This article is from two years past


Now add to that little fact the following one


plus one more fun fact from all the way back in 1996



Why does the NRA support terrorist bombers? April 24, 2013 - 'Taggants' In Gunpowder Might Have Helped Identify Bombers : NPR

I'd be more okay with banning people who were on the terrorist watch list from buying guns if I didn't keep hearing stories like these:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/14/nyregion/14watchlist.html?_r=0

Airline captain, lawyer, child on terror 'watch list' - CNN.com

Ford Motor Co., 2-Year-Old, Innocent Man Have Records In Terror Database

 

[Spartacus FPV]

in all fairness, blackpowder is not the same as the powder (like AA5, 231, Clays, HP 38, Solo, etc) we use for reloading. Yes, there are blackpowder cartridges used by cowboy style shooters but mostly black powder is used in muskets. Its far more dangerous than modern smokeless powder (which cannot be used for bombs)

Turtle-master reloader-over half a million pistol rounds and 100,000 shot shells

Oh I know, I'd simply never restrict black powder. So few firearms enthusiasts get into flintlocks/percussion cap guns and to worry about being robbed/shot by a blackpowder gun is beyond silly. If they pull the trigger you've still got a whole second to take a step to the left.

 

[TurtleDude]

Oh I know, I'd simply never restrict black powder. So few firearms enthusiasts get into flintlocks/percussion cap guns and to worry about being robbed/shot by a blackpowder gun is beyond silly. If they pull the trigger you've still got a whole second to take a step to the left.

true, I loved the scene in Last of the Mohicans when DDL was doing a speed load on the run at the end of the movie

BBL

 

[Somerville]

You claimed the NRA supported terrorists, I am a member of the NRA; we do not. Liar

The actions of the NRA and the bills promoted by the NRA do presently and have in the past, provided support for terrorist actions by inhibiting measures advocated by law enforcement officials across the country.

 

[Quik]

I "liked" blaxshep's post because it is such a perfect example of the type of thinking that manages to excuse the actions of the NRA as it supports gun-makers more than it does gun owners. The type of thinking that really contains nothing more than emotional reactions rather than rationality.


Think about it: Even though Tamerlan Tsarnaev had been interviewed by the FBI and may or may not have been on a watch list, the only law he might have violated in buying a gun was Massachusetts state law but he could quite easily have bought a weapon in New Hampshire which has much more lax gun purchase requirements - because the NRA has managed to pay off enough legislators to prevent passage of any bill regarding firearms.

The Tsarnaevs violated no law when they bought gunpowder to make the bombs because the NRA stopped it.

it is true that taggants would have been less important in this specific case simply because surveillance cameras caught the two bombers as they acted in Boston - but if taggants had been in the gunpowder, it might have saved one policeman's life.

So yes - why does the NRA act in a way that enables terrorist bombings in this country? Are the profits of gun makers more important than the lives of American citizens?

So if he made home made explosives would you advocate outlawing common household products and fertilizers?

 

[Somerville]

So if he made home made explosives would you advocate outlawing common household products and fertilizers?

You mean like the 270 TONS of ammonium nitrate that blew up a small town in Texas?


Why do so many people seem to be unable to grasp that there is a range of options between zero control of dangerous substances and total banning of the same?

 

[Spartacus FPV]

The actions of the NRA and the bills promoted by the NRA do presently and have in the past, provided support for terrorist actions by inhibiting measures advocated by law enforcement officials across the country.

DUH, rights always hinder law enforcement, that is the point. But defending rights is not supporting terrorists, to suggest this was their intention is dishonest.

You remain a liar, we members of the NRA DO NOT support Terrorists, sell your straw man elsewhere because we ain't buying it liar.

Why do so many people seem to be unable to grasp that there is a range of options between zero control of dangerous substances and total banning of the same?

Why do so many people fail to see incremental measures, that gun grabbers will not stop at the next infringement and that many truly oppose the 2nd Amendment. Diane wants a total ban, liberals like Bill Maher openly state "the 2nd Amendment is bull****... we need to repeal it." You ignore our concerns, suggest ineffective "controls" and insult gun rights groups in a very Bush era "if you're not with us you're with the terrorists" way. So long as you say stupid/crazy **** like "the NRA supports terrorism" you're going to be put into your place. Especially when Obama is ACTUALLY giving support to Al-Qaeda in Syria, you tards are projecting.

Done taking you seriously, as everyone else with integrity will.

 

[Ikari]

This article is from two years past


Now add to that little fact the following one


plus one more fun fact from all the way back in 1996



Why does the NRA support terrorist bombers? April 24, 2013 - 'Taggants' In Gunpowder Might Have Helped Identify Bombers : NPR

Good. Being on the "no fly list" may require action from the rest of that list.

 

[Moot]

This article is from two years past


Now add to that little fact the following one


plus one more fun fact from all the way back in 1996

Why does the NRA support terrorist bombers? April 24, 2013 - 'Taggants' In Gunpowder Might Have Helped Identify Bombers : NPR

Don't think Al Qaeda hasn't noticed......

Al Qaeda video resurfaces urging radicals to buy guns in U.S. - CNN.com