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Ok - premise; you've never met any homosexuals, as far as you know, that are ashamed.
Question: how would you know, if you knew... as far as you knew that they were ashamed? How? Would they tell you? "Oh Bodhisattva, I'm so ashamed..."
Of COURSE they "embrace who they are and talk openly and honestly about it." Good grief, what do you think the whole point of the homosexual movement has been about these past 50 years? Coming out to stay hidden? I mean, the hallmark of their movement is centered around being proud of how they behave, isn't it? So seriously, how would you know?
Where do you think a sense of shame comes from? It comes from guilt; it is the attendant emotion that accompanies guilt. Take the guilt away and so too goes any shame associated with it.
That, in a nutshell is what the goal of the homosexual movement has been these past 50 years - exorcising the guilt from their behavior so that rather than feel ashamed by what they do, they can be free of any guilt and shame and behave pridefully about it instead. Shame is a powerful emotion - USUALLY its power is used to prevent one from behaving in a guilty way. What the homosexuals have done, are doing, is just the opposite - they are avoiding shame not by avoiding guilty behavior, they are denying the guilt of the behavior. They are eradicating the guilt. So back to your premise - live under such propaganda for long and its only natural one will be tempted to feel their behavior is "normal."
W/r to "knowing homosexuals," LOL - I'll just say this: there was a time I would hump anything with two legs that had an orifice or a protrusion. I know a little about what I speak. When I say it's "gross self indulgence" that's precisely what it is - and I don't need to go to some liberal arts college to get "educated" on the fineries of self-indulgence. Been there, done that. All manner of attempts have been made by those thus engaged to make such behavior acceptable to society, cleansed of any shame or guilt - but none of it changes the underlying truth about the behavior or its deviancy. I know it's a choice. I know it's a behavior. And I know one can change both.