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Oklahoma School Cancels Bible Study, Morning Prayer Over PA System After Parents Push Back

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that religious expression isn’t allowed in public schools. See the numerous SCOTUS decisions on the subject.
You seem to not understand that a school cannot promote or endorse any religion and must remain secular. If students were praying on their own, there likely would not be any issue. But once the school allowed itself to become involved by broadcasting prayer within the school, that crossed the line. See Engel v. Vitale, 370 U.S. 421 (1962).
 
You seem to not understand that a school cannot promote or endorse any religion and must remain secular. If students were praying on their own, there likely would not be any issue. But once the school allowed itself to become involved by broadcasting prayer within the school, that crossed the line. See Engel v. Vitale, 370 U.S. 421 (1962).
Schools do not have to be secular. They just can’t favor one religion over another, i.e. allow religious expression for one religion but not others. They can absolutely facilitate the religious expression of students.
 
Schools do not have to be secular. They just can’t favor one religion over another,
Hello, that's what secular is. A school also cannot favor religion over non-religion.
i.e. allow religious expression for one religion but not others.
Bible reading and prayers over the PA is the school endorsing religion over others or over non-religion.
They can absolutely facilitate the religious expression of students.
False! Students can express religion on their own. The school cannot do that for them nor promote it.
 
The only thing that would be unlawful here is if the school was requiring people to participate. And that doesn’t seem to be the case. In fact, the complaint from parents was that kids were bullied by their peers for not participating.
Encouraging bullying to participate in religious ceremonies in public school. How truly American.
 
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that religious expression isn’t allowed in public schools. See the numerous SCOTUS decisions on the subject.
Of course it is....but it is not to be forced by teachers or admin. Ever heard of the Gather at the Flag Pole prayer groups? Totally legal.
 
The DoE guidance indicates that study groups not led or taught by school employees as part of their employment is constitutionally permissible. Same goes for private prayer and discussion during school hours.
EXCEPT THAT such activities or conversations can only take place during the school day on the same terms and conditions that they may engage in other comparable conversations or activities. So during recess or between classes or during "lunch time" only?
 
Schools do not have to be secular. They just can’t favor one religion over another, i.e. allow religious expression for one religion but not others. They can absolutely facilitate the religious expression of students.
So the next week, they could get a muslim imam to say prayers over the PA?
 
Hello, that's what secular is. A school also cannot favor religion over non-religion.
That isn’t what secular is.
Bible reading and prayers over the PA is the school endorsing religion over others or over non-religion.
No it isn’t. It’s facilitating the religious expression of students. There is no right not to be exposed to religious expression.
False! Students can express religion on their own. The school cannot do that for them nor promote it.
Incorrect.
 
That isn’t what secular is.

No it isn’t. It’s facilitating the religious expression of students. There is no right not to be exposed to religious expression.

Incorrect.
Nope. The little bastards can pray on their lunch time. Nobody else is obligated to listen to their particular mythology.
 
That isn’t what secular is.
Yes, it is!
No it isn’t. It’s facilitating the religious expression of students. There is no right not to be exposed to religious expression.
You keep missing the point. It's not about exposure to religious expression. The school cannot assist or participate in religious expression.
Incorrect.
The SCOTUS disagrees, as I pointed out in the aforementioned Engel case.
 
EXCEPT THAT such activities or conversations can only take place during the school day on the same terms and conditions that they may engage in other comparable conversations or activities. So during recess or between classes or during "lunch time" only?
During other than class time or other school-controlled activities is how I read the guidelines. Does that mean students can squat down in the middle of a busy hallway to conduct a prayer meeting or do Bible study? I'm quite certain time and place need be unobtrusive to the educational needs of fellow students, faculty and staff. Don't you think?
 
That should only happen in Catholic or Christian schools, never in public schools. Glad the parents spoke out and put a stop to that nonsense.
But teaching children perverted WOKE religion, encouraging gender fluidity and hormone blockers is okay; and gender-queer reading hour in the school library is perfect, isn't it?
 
But teaching children perverted WOKE religion, encouraging gender fluidity and hormone blockers is okay; and gender-queer reading hour in the school library is perfect, isn't it?
Those are separate issues and has nothing to do with religion or religion in schools.
 
But teaching children perverted WOKE religion,
what is woke religion?
encouraging gender fluidity
what schools is encouraging gender fluidity and what do you think that is
and hormone blockers is okay;
what schools is encouraging hormone blockers
and gender-queer reading hour in the school library is perfect, isn't it?
what is a gender-queer reading hour in a school libary?
are students forced to listen and or particpate

and most importantly what does any of that triggered meltdown strawman have to do with the topic?
 
That isn’t what secular is.

No it isn’t. It’s facilitating the religious expression of students. There is no right not to be exposed to religious expression.

Incorrect.
You are the incorrect one on multiple counts.
 
But teaching children perverted WOKE religion, encouraging gender fluidity and hormone blockers is okay; and gender-queer reading hour in the school library is perfect, isn't it?
And where is that happening? Give us some valid examples besides your silly fears.
 
From my persepctive I don't see ANY separation between church and state. Witnesses swear on a Bible. That's not only church but choosing Christianity, forcing it on people.

"In God we trust" is all over the ****ing place! Including money!

Members of congress and elected officials swear oaths on a bible...again Christianity being forced on people.

So, please, someone show me where there is 'separation'?

There is 'freedom of religion" as long as you're Christian, who tolerate the larger religions.

What the founding fathers intended was that men, they specified men, had the freedom to practice the type of Christianity of their choosing so long as there was no midwifery or women's rights or shit like that.

They still prosecute Voodoo in New Orleans. Freedom of what again...?
Marbury letters where Jefferson coined the term to explain why he wouldn’t tell Congress tonoass a law favoring one church over another in local elections.
 
But teaching children perverted WOKE religion, encouraging gender fluidity and hormone blockers is okay; and gender-queer reading hour in the school library is perfect, isn't it?
None of what you posted is relevant to this thread as they are not religious positions.

Side note: a lot of what you posted has also been debunked.
 
Marbury letters where Jefferson coined the term to explain why he wouldn’t tell Congress tonoass a law favoring one church over another in local elections.
Madison and Adams also had words and shared the sentiment for separation.
 
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