Oklahoma Pols Want a Database of Everyone Who Has an Abortion

[BirdinHand]

The right to bear arms is protected by the 2nd Amendment. The right to an abortion does not exist. A government database of those who have guns is just as big a privacy violation as a database of those who have had an abortion. It's inherently wrong on both accounts. If you can't see that, then you don't understand what the right to privacy actually means.

Medical health information is specifically protected under HIPAA federal law.

Arguments can be made as to the Constitutionality of gun registries, and that’s fine.

But medical data has further protection under HIPAA that guns do not.

 

[RedAkston]

Motorists are held responsible criminally and civilly if they leave their vehicle running and it is stolen and then used in a crime. The stolen vehicle has a registered license plate and VIN number.

What state does this occur in? What law, on the books, makes this a crime?

Are you saying it is unconstitutional to hold gun owners responsible for reporting loss of possession?

Not at all. And I have no idea how you came to such a ridiculous conclusion.

 

[Gordy327]

Obviously this is done so they can legally challenge every abortion that happens for medical reasons.

Not only that, it can be used to criminalize & penalize women or having an abortion, which is likely the point.

 

[RedAkston]

Medical health information is specifically protected under HIPAA federal law.

I agree.

Arguments can be made as to the Constitutionality of gun registries, and that’s fine.

No argument can be made that doesn't violate the right to privacy.

But medical data has further protection under HIPAA that guns do not.

Of course, HIPAA doesn't have anything to do with guns.

The fact remains that a database of who has had an abortion is a right to privacy violation just as a database of those who own guns. Both are violations of one's right to privacy.

 

[zincwarrior]

I thought they were already illegal now in Oklahoma?

 

[post]

What state does this occur in? What law, on the books, makes this a crime?

Not at all. And I have no idea how you came to such a ridiculous conclusion.

Because after a motor vehicle has run a pedestrian down in the street and the driver who stole the vehicle has abandoned it, police can identify the owner from vehicle registration
data. A 25 caliber pistol left at the scene of a crime that was recently stolen but unreported, results in Investigation ending there if ownership data does not exist.

 

[Rogue Valley]

The Trump "Deep State" is gearing up.

 

[dcsports]

An Oklahoma bill that would create a database of every person who obtained an abortion is one step closer to becoming law.

The so-called Oklahoma Right To Human Life Act, authored by state Rep. Kevin West, passed out of the Public Health Committee last week and moves to a full House vote next month. The bill would require the Oklahoma State Department of Health to create a database in which each patient is identified by a “unique patient identifier” to track how many abortions a patient has and when. That information and the identity of the patient could be released to authorities under a court order.

Oklahoma already outlaws all abortions except when necessary to save the life of the mother, without exceptions for rape or incest.

Tamya Cox-Toure, executive director of the ACLU of Oklahoma, said the law could discourage patients from seeking abortions during a medical emergency and discourage doctors from performing them.


“People who are ending their pregnancy for medical reasons—to save the health of the pregnant person—are the people who are going to be part of this database,” she told The Daily Beast.

“Even in a situation where ending the pregnancy saves the life of the pregnant person, there's still a lot of stigma that happens,” she added. “So the idea that a patient is forced to give this information goes against doctor-patient confidentiality as well as patient-informed consent.”

Oklahoma Pols Want a Database of Everyone Who Has an Abortion

And a bill to do just that is one step closer to becoming law.

www.thedailybeast.com

Is it me? Seriously, is it me or this shit truly terrifying? Sometimes it's tough to recognize this country.

Collecting information prior to passing legislation makes sense. It would be helpful to know why people were getting medically necessary abortions prior to crafting legislation about it. And certainly, it would be helpful for the department of health to know what information is needed for this.

Now I would think the department of health already collects much of this information. States routinely collect health information used for statistical purposes from licensed providers - that would include any diagnosis and procedures. Certain procedures trigger additional reporting already (gunshot, dog bite, poisoning, death. 'Abortion' could certainly fall in that category.

Should personally identifiable information be passed on to lawmakers or state officials? Anyone outside of health department reporting? Absolutely not. And it does seem very strange to call it out as a specific registry. And also a little late if they wanted to guide legislation.

 

[dcsports]

What is the states interest in violating the fourth amendment rights of those who receive abortions?

Not a fourth amendment issue either. States routinely collect and use health information for statistical purposes (and other uses)

 

[Stealers Wheel]

I agree.

No argument can be made that doesn't violate the right to privacy.

Of course, HIPAA doesn't have anything to do with guns.

The fact remains that a database of who has had an abortion is a right to privacy violation just as a database of those who own guns. Both are violations of one's right to privacy.

There is no right to privacy. The Dobbs decision settled that.

 

[BlueTex]

Not a fourth amendment issue either.

Really? What is the states interest in getting this information? What can it be used for?

 

[dcsports]

States have to follow federal law.

HIPPA protects the privacy of:



What Oklahoma is requesting is protected under HIPPA.

Again, not a HIPPA issue. I would recommend you read up on the law.

The privacy provisions apply to covered entities - health care providers, clearinghouses, and insurance plans. It doesn't apply to state health departments, and it specifically allows covered entities to share information with government agencies.

 

[Gordy327]

Not a fourth amendment issue either. States routinely collect and use health information for statistical purposes (and other uses)

Except statistics is not likely the intent of this bill. That would just be an excuse for it.

 

[Gordy327]

Again, not a HIPPA issue. I would recommend you read up on the law.

The privacy provisions apply to covered entities - health care providers, clearinghouses, and insurance plans. It doesn't apply to state health departments, and it specifically allows covered entities to share information with government agencies.

It also mentions a “unique patient identifier." So it's not just about tracking numbers. It's tracking individuals. That crosses the line.

 

[dcsports]

Really? What is the states interest in getting this information? What can it be used for?

States manage and regulate health care.

 

[dcsports]

Except statistics is not likely the intent of this bill. That would just be an excuse for it.

That's a political argument. Not a fourth amendment one. I would certainly be in favor of protections built into any such bill. (And they could be there - this isn't exactly an unbiased source).

It also mentions a “unique patient identifier." So it's not just about tracking numbers. It's tracking individuals. That crosses the line.

See above. You are making political arguments. It's still not a HIPPA issue.

 

[RedAkston]

Because after a motor vehicle has run a pedestrian down in the street and the driver who stole the vehicle has abandoned it, police can identify the owner from vehicle registration
data.

So, what law makes the owner a criminal?

A 25 caliber pistol left at the scene of a crime that was recently stolen but unreported, results in Investigation ending there if ownership data does not exist.

No, the investigation does not end there. How would a database find the person who stole the gun (a crime), then committed another crime?

Either you believe that the right to privacy exists or you don't. It's quite evident that you don't.

 

[Gordy327]

That's a political argument. Not a fourth amendment one. I would certainly be in favor of protections built into any such bill. (And they could be there - this isn't exactly an unbiased source).


See above. You are making political arguments. It's still not a HIPPA issue.

Identifying individuals, especially in regards to medical issues, becomes a HIPPA issue.

 

[SMTA]

Because after a motor vehicle has run a pedestrian down in the street and the driver who stole the vehicle has abandoned it, police can identify the owner from vehicle registration
data. A 25 caliber pistol left at the scene of a crime that was recently stolen but unreported, results in Investigation ending there if ownership data does not exist.

What an ignorant post.
A license plate will identify the vehicle owner, not the person who stole it.
How hard is that to understand.

 

[RedAkston]

There is no right to privacy. The Dobbs decision settled that.

No, the Dobbs decision came to the rightful conclusion that there is no constitutional right to an abortion.

 

[dcsports]

Identifying individuals, especially in regards to medical issues, becomes a HIPPA issue.

For entities covered by HIPPA. Government entities are not covered by HIPPA.

Please note - I'm not saying there aren't potential privacy concerns that would need to be addressed. Just that this isn't a HIPPA issue.

 

[Gordy327]

For entities covered by HIPPA. Government entities are not covered by HIPPA.

Please note - I'm not saying there aren't potential privacy concerns that would need to be addressed. Just that this isn't a HIPPA issue.

Medical information, including medical procedures are covered under HIPPA. There should be no patient identifiers for information collected for medical research or statistics.

 

[post]

What an ignorant post.
A license plate will identify the vehicle owner, not the person who stole it.
How hard is that to understand.

The point went right over your head. The vehicle registry holds the owner responsible for not taking reasonable precautions to prevent
the vehicle from falling into the wrong hands. Lack of a handgun registry leaves those who do not report the theft of their hand gun later used in
a crime, with no accountability or potential liability. Timely reporting of loss of possession of a handgun is in the interest of public safety as is
refraining from yelling "fire" in a crowded public venue.

 

[BlueTex]

States manage and regulate health care.

Why does the state need to identify the person who had an abortion?

 

[ColdHardTruth]

An Oklahoma bill that would create a database of every person who obtained an abortion is one step closer to becoming law.

The so-called Oklahoma Right To Human Life Act, authored by state Rep. Kevin West, passed out of the Public Health Committee last week and moves to a full House vote next month. The bill would require the Oklahoma State Department of Health to create a database in which each patient is identified by a “unique patient identifier” to track how many abortions a patient has and when. That information and the identity of the patient could be released to authorities under a court order.

Oklahoma already outlaws all abortions except when necessary to save the life of the mother, without exceptions for rape or incest.

Tamya Cox-Toure, executive director of the ACLU of Oklahoma, said the law could discourage patients from seeking abortions during a medical emergency and discourage doctors from performing them.


“People who are ending their pregnancy for medical reasons—to save the health of the pregnant person—are the people who are going to be part of this database,” she told The Daily Beast.

“Even in a situation where ending the pregnancy saves the life of the pregnant person, there's still a lot of stigma that happens,” she added. “So the idea that a patient is forced to give this information goes against doctor-patient confidentiality as well as patient-informed consent.”

Oklahoma Pols Want a Database of Everyone Who Has an Abortion

And a bill to do just that is one step closer to becoming law.

www.thedailybeast.com

Is it me? Seriously, is it me or this shit truly terrifying? Sometimes it's tough to recognize this country.

It's not constitutional. The feds need to step on some necks in Oklahoma.