Official: White House didn’t want to tell seniors not to fly

[JasperL]

Some are doing their best to get it going with their usual disinformation campaign.

What kind of "disinformation" are "some" spreading? Can you point to anything specific?

 

[apdst]

What kind of "disinformation" are "some" spreading? Can you point to anything specific?

"It's all Trump's fault and everyone is going to die" :lamo

And, don't lie and say that isn't happening. You know goddamn well that it is.

 

[Erod]

Meanwhile Italy’s death toll doubled in a day.

Here’s the insane part of this whole thing though, Trump is deathly afraid of this spiraling the economy into recession and he gets his one and only... and excuse the pun in the campaign, Trump card, whether or not he’s personally responsible for the Coronavirus coming into existence or not, he likely won’t have the good economy anymore going into this thing and he’s seemingly willing to put one of his own demographics, older people, who are more likely to vote for him at risk for what is a stupid attempt to stop people from being weary of getting on a plane.

I speak from first hand experience, people are becoming increasingly nervous about traveling and it’s only going to get worse.

Again Trump supporters, you wanted someone as stupid as you in the White House, you got him.

Enjoy it.

We’ve barely scratched the surface if weather doesn’t end up playing a role.

You can only hope! You're giddy as hell. Goody goody gumdrops!!

LOL, the economy will smooth out over the summer and return nicely. Notice how the Kung Flu isn't affecting the southern hemisphere much at all. That's because it's seasonally based just like the flu. Soon, it will die down here as the temperatures rise. Folks will calm down while a vaccine is "feverishly" worked on.

Meanwhile, the inevitable market correction has been worked into this, so Trump won't have to pay the price for that. Too bad, libs.

This thread is ridiculous. Attempts to capitalize on this virus are falling on deaf ears. Everybody can see through the sad political desperation.

Fortunately, Trump isn't freaking out like a schoolgirl like all the nutty liberals are. Please, you guys need to grow up and calm down.

 

[trixare4kids]

We should remove Republicans from the government.

Like the Democrats would be doing anything differently than the Republicans.

 

[year2late]

I mean... we're still lower than Italy. They've got 1/7 the population and have had more than15 times the deaths...

We do not now what we are we have not been testing enough.

Example.If we do a Census that does not include the homeless. We deduce from the census that the US does not have a homeless problem since here are none listed

If we do not test for the disease adequately we have no clue what kind of problem you have.

Ask ID specialists across this country how well they can access the test.

We are clueless. It could be better or much worse.

My gut says if we tested appropriately, we would find out that the disease is much more widespread, but less lethal.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Trump is putting people at greater risk because he wants to downplay the coronavirus.



Official: White House didn'''t want to tell seniors not to fly

"You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity." - (the character) "Doc" in Robert Heinlein's novella Logic of Empire (1941).

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

So no one released a statement asking seniors not to fly. Ok then.

Quite right. The CDC did NOT "release a statement asking seniors not to fly" because "... White House officials ordered the air travel recommendation be removed, ..." (emphasis added).

 

[jpn]

Like the Democrats would be doing anything differently than the Republicans.

One key difference between the parties is that the Democrats tend to trust experts, and believe in science.

Here's what can happen when people see crises through politics and not science:

As we wrestle with the new coronavirus, let’s learn lessons from the 2009-10 H1N1 swine flu outbreak in the United States.

...because President Barack Obama was in the White House at the time, some conservatives started dismissing the swine flu as a hoax. Right-wing media figures were particularly contemptuous at Obama administration suggestions that people get a vaccination against it.

“Screw you,” Rush Limbaugh declared. “I am not going to take it, precisely because you’re now telling me I must. You have some idiot government official demanding, telling me I must take this vaccine. I’ll never take it.”

Donald Trump called into Fox News and dismissed concern about the swine flu, telling host Neil Cavuto that “it’s going to go away.” Trump also cautioned that “the vaccines can be very dangerous.”

Far-right members of Congress like Phil Gingrey and Paul Broun, both Republicans from Georgia, scorned the flu as a case of “panic” and “hysteria” and denounced government plans for spending money on a vaccine for it.

As a result, attitudes about the flu soon diverged based on ideology. Democrats were 50 percent more likely than Republicans to say in surveys that they would get the swine flu vaccine.

Matthew Baum of Harvard found that people in red states were indeed less likely to get vaccinated — and more likely to die of swine flu. In the end, that swine flu outbreak wasn’t as lethal as many had feared, but it still killed or contributed to the deaths of as many as 400,000 people worldwide. In the United States, it infected 60 million people, caused 274,000 hospitalizations and killed 12,469 people, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
“As states become relatively more Republican, swine flu-related deaths rise,” Baum wrote.​

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

The global mortality rate average is 34 times that of the flu. I'm sure you've got a calculator handy. Do the math.

Quite right, and since the US has approximately 5% of the world's population that means that the US mortality rate is only 1.7 times that of the flu, and since 0.7 is statistically insignificant, that means that Americans have absolutely nothing to worry about, and that means that Mr. Trump IS RIGHT AGAIN while the elitist, egghead, academic, so-called "experts" are **W*R*O*N*G**.

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[TU Curmudgeon]

Of course the NYT is a leftist press org


Coronavirus Live Updates: Cases in U.S. Cross 500, and Deaths Rise to 22 - The New York Times

On Sunday, the leading U.S. expert on infectious diseases, Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, said that it was possible that regional lockdowns could become necessary and recommended that those at greatest risk — the elderly and those with underlying health conditions — abstain from travel.
​

So what?!?

He only said "abstain from travel" he didn't say "don't fly".

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[jwzg]

One key difference between the parties is that the Democrats tend to trust experts, and believe in science.

Here's what can happen when people see crises through politics and not science:

As we wrestle with the new coronavirus, let’s learn lessons from the 2009-10 H1N1 swine flu outbreak in the United States.

...because President Barack Obama was in the White House at the time, some conservatives started dismissing the swine flu as a hoax. Right-wing media figures were particularly contemptuous at Obama administration suggestions that people get a vaccination against it.

“Screw you,” Rush Limbaugh declared. “I am not going to take it, precisely because you’re now telling me I must. You have some idiot government official demanding, telling me I must take this vaccine. I’ll never take it.”

Donald Trump called into Fox News and dismissed concern about the swine flu, telling host Neil Cavuto that “it’s going to go away.” Trump also cautioned that “the vaccines can be very dangerous.”

Far-right members of Congress like Phil Gingrey and Paul Broun, both Republicans from Georgia, scorned the flu as a case of “panic” and “hysteria” and denounced government plans for spending money on a vaccine for it.

As a result, attitudes about the flu soon diverged based on ideology. Democrats were 50 percent more likely than Republicans to say in surveys that they would get the swine flu vaccine.

Matthew Baum of Harvard found that people in red states were indeed less likely to get vaccinated — and more likely to die of swine flu. In the end, that swine flu outbreak wasn’t as lethal as many had feared, but it still killed or contributed to the deaths of as many as 400,000 people worldwide. In the United States, it infected 60 million people, caused 274,000 hospitalizations and killed 12,469 people, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
“As states become relatively more Republican, swine flu-related deaths rise,” Baum wrote.​

 

[jpn]

Here's the Trump administration (only the best people) dealing with the Coronavirus:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1236674396867170305

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

It appears you are determined to miss the point. Two weeks ago, there were ZERO COVID 19 DEATHS IN ITALY. The entire point is the picture can change, dramatically, in a few days. In the U.S., we've seen about two and a half as many cases discovered THIS WEEKEND as in the prior two months.

If you don't get that simple message, I don't know how to help you.

Since Mr. Trump became President, the average rate of Corona-virus cases has been a mere 0.48 per day. That means that there is absolutely nothing whatsoever to worry about as long as Mr. Trump remains the President of the United States of America.

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[TU Curmudgeon]

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This comes as a surprise to you?

Why?

 

[JasperL]

Here's the Trump administration (only the best people) dealing with the Coronavirus:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1236674396867170305

Wow. Carson goes on TV to speak for the response and is absolutely and utterly clueless.

I don't know about you, but this fills me with all kinds of confidence!

Paraphrased:

"A plan will be in place within 72 hours of yesterday."
It's docking tomorrow.
"It will be in place by then. And I know what the plan is but cannot say. Trust us - we got this!"

It's just a wonder why there's fear and uncertainty with this kind of excellent, highly coordinated response from the Trump people in charge. 'Uh, yeah, what I said literally five seconds ago isn't totally accurate, so trust this different thing that I'm saying now, five seconds later!'

 

[Jetboogieman]

You can only hope! You're giddy as hell. Goody goody gumdrops!!

LOL, the economy will smooth out over the summer and return nicely. Notice how the Kung Flu isn't affecting the southern hemisphere much at all. That's because it's seasonally based just like the flu. Soon, it will die down here as the temperatures rise. Folks will calm down while a vaccine is "feverishly" worked on.

Meanwhile, the inevitable market correction has been worked into this, so Trump won't have to pay the price for that. Too bad, libs.

This thread is ridiculous. Attempts to capitalize on this virus are falling on deaf ears. Everybody can see through the sad political desperation.

Fortunately, Trump isn't freaking out like a schoolgirl like all the nutty liberals are. Please, you guys need to grow up and calm down.

Goodness gracious Erod, just an explosion of nonsense from you.

I don’t want this to be a thing and if Trump, just for once, acted like a normal, functioning human being, shut the **** up and let the experts in his health agencies do most of the talking, I would say whoever was attacking him would be wrong do to so.

But what do we get instead?

He’s out there at the ****ing CDC wearing a ****ing MAGA hat and rambling on about nonsense, at the White House his health experts stood up one by one and said that there would be more cases before he stood up and said we would see cases go from 15 to zero... they’re now in the hundreds.

The Coronavirus in and of itself is not his fault, but when he acts in a stupid way and doesn’t seem to have a grasp on the situation and seems intent on misleading the public, that’s where you lose me.

I’m sorry it’s inconvenient that you elected the dumbest person you possibly could to be President but thems the potatoes.

 

[jpn]

Here's some good info as to who the virus is most dangerous to:

It's from a University of Bern study:

 

[Threegoofs]

Official: White House didnâ€[emoji769]t want to tell seniors not to fly

Here's some good info as to who the virus is most dangerous to:

It's from a University of Bern study:

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I wouldn’t go with those numbers... that was from an article published in Jan.
(EDIT: nope! The link is an unpublished preprint by the same author. This is up to date, but all my caveats still apply- most cases are Wuhan, and all cases are in that Chinese province in this study).

The updated #s are certainly lower across the board on mortality, and the numbers above are really looking at patients sick enough to be hospitalized, and the hospital mortality is probably pretty high in Wuhan (that’s why they had to build a hospital in a couple weeks). Also, you really need to consider mortality rates in China vs the US- China really still has a developing country health system. US mortality will be substantially lower.


But I bet the proportions are pretty correct.

 

[JasperL]

Here's some good info as to who the virus is most dangerous to:

It's from a University of Bern study:

The bottom line there is scary as hell:

We developed a mechanistic approach to correct for the biases in the crude estimates of CFR and provide an
adjusted CFR by age group with regards to the ongoing COVID-19 epidemic in Hubei, China between 1 January
and 11 February. We find that 1.6% (1.4-1.8) of individuals infected with COVID-19 during that period with or
without symptoms died or will die, with even more important differences by age group than suggested by the raw
data. The probability of death among infected individuals with symptoms is estimated at 3.3% (2.9-3.8), with a
steep increase over 60 years old to reach 36% over 80 years old.

A 1.6% death rate is catastrophic given it's estimated to be more contagious than the flu, and that would be roughly 16 times more deadly. At a 20% infection rate, 65 million infected, it's a million dead in the U.S. Let's all pray it's far less than that elsewhere and hope our efforts to contain the spread work.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Here's some good info as to who the virus is most dangerous to:

It's from a University of Bern study:

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Oh sure, just another one of the Bern Bros with their made up so-called "statistics". Why aren't you referring to **T*H*E** **T*R*U*T*H** as reported by those REAL scientists from a REAL university like "Trump University" or "Billy Bob's Uniquely Right (wing) Christian -Thal- -Theu- -Thalu- -Thealug- Bible and Divinity School" [a wholly owned subsidiary of Billy Bob's Only True Original Fundamentalist Four-Square Evangelical Revived Reformed Revealed Biblical Church of Jesus Christ The Perfect Arisen Son Of The Living God World Awakening (Just Send Us Your Folding Money Because Worship Should Be Silent) All Aryan White Soul's Salvation, Redemption, and Witnessing Storefront Mission, B-B-Q, Gun & Body Shop. (INC)] where the motto is "God has already told us what to think, and we'll tell you so you don't have to."?

 

[Threegoofs]

The bottom line there is scary as hell:



A 1.6% death rate is catastrophic given it's estimated to be more contagious than the flu, and that would be roughly 16 times more deadly. At a 20% infection rate, 65 million infected, it's a million dead in the U.S. Let's all pray it's far less than that elsewhere and hope our efforts to contain the spread work.

Stop that.

No praying is needed.

What’s scary as hell is being admitted to a Chinese provincial hospital with a new type of infectious disease when you’re elderly.

1.6% case fatality rate is looking about 10x too high.

Heck, even Trump has a hunch it will be under 1%. (In reality, this is echoed by Dr Fauci in JAMA last month).

 

[JasperL]

Stop that.

No praying is needed.

What’s scary as hell is being admitted to a Chinese provincial hospital with a new type of infectious disease when you’re elderly.

1.6% case fatality rate is looking about 10x too high.

Heck, even Trump has a hunch it will be under 1%. (In reality, this is echoed by Dr Fauci in JAMA last month).

Right, but I just didn't see anything comforting in that article, except that old people are screwed and maybe that will help solve the Medicare funding problem for a little while by wiping out all the sick seniors in the country, and lots of chronically ill non-seniors....

And I saw that editorial, but it's basically saying - we don't know how bad it will be. And 0.5% is 2/3 lower than China, but it's 350k dead in this country with a flu-like spread of 20%....

 

[Cardinal]

Like the Democrats would be doing anything differently than the Republicans.

The Democrats did do everything different. See: Obama’s handling of the Ebola and the H1N1 outbreaks.

 

[trixare4kids]

The Democrats did do everything different. See: Obama’s handling of the Ebola and the H1N1 outbreaks.

The Trump administration declared a public health emergency on Feb 4th, a day after the WHO declared it a public health emergency. There were only eleven confirmed cases at the time. He quickly suspended entry of immigrants and visitors who pose a risk of transmitting the disease, as well as imposing a quarantine on citizens arriving from China’s Hubei Provence.

The Obama admin. declared H1N1 a public health emergency in April 2009 when there were twenty cases already dx'd in the U.S.
The United States 2014 response to Ebola was initially delayed, and slow to ramp up.

The emergency declaration allows congress to loosen up free more money for antiviral drugs, etc.
When both presidents addressed the nation the prospective diseases were just beginning to spread.

I don't see where Obama's response was better or different than the Trump administration's.

 

[Threegoofs]

Right, but I just didn't see anything comforting in that article, except that old people are screwed and maybe that will help solve the Medicare funding problem for a little while by wiping out all the sick seniors in the country, and lots of chronically ill non-seniors....

And I saw that editorial, but it's basically saying - we don't know how bad it will be. And 0.5% is 2/3 lower than China, but it's 350k dead in this country with a flu-like spread of 20%....

I think that estimate is ridiculously high - possibly tenfold.

But, after seeing datapoint after datapoint that is telling me that this is something that is likely comparable to the regular flu (except the fact that no one is immune), I just saw this...

Coronavirus: Italy Lombardy region healthcare system is strained - Business Insider

The disturbing thing here is we are dealing with an EU country with universal healthcare, and good medical care overall, and the percentage of cases that end up in the ICU is about 10%... and thats from a country that has tested more people (22k+) than anyone other than SK.

10%. That is pretty scary.

I’ll be honest, my worry scale just went from 2 to 6 based upon that stat alone.