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Who is President Obama's "entire constituency"?
You is in Obama's entire constituency if you voted for him partially based on universal healthcare. You ain't if you didn't.
What tax increases? Obama is more concerned about special interests than he is a balanced budget or the deficit
That doesn't really matter. You can't expect them to want to fund things they are ideologically opposed too. Either way, what the GOP is doing now or not is irrelevant to the fact that the Democrats have quite simply screwed the pooch so badly that we are in this mess now. You can hardly blame the GOP for getting here.
So...if I didn't...but I am a US citizen.....The President of the United States of America does not represent me??
They are reporting on TV that it looks like a deal may be close,with the number being 38 B. The deal is not done, but optimism is higher.
I believe you place blame where ever it is earned. Yes, democrats earned blame for not doing when they should have. Criticise them all you want. But that does not excuse republicans for their actions now. And the ideaological battle should be fought elsewhere. This should be about the budget. So, yes, I do blame republicans for picking the wrong fight at the wrong time. I suspect I won't be alone.
Oh no it does excuse them. The Democrats created the situation we are in...there is no other way to look at it. THEY CREATED THIS.
I neither said nor implied that. However, I did clarify that Obama and the Democrats aren't just "caring about" (in ptif's words) their "special interest groups", they are "caring about" their entire constituency - the majority of whom want funding for the healthcare plan that Republicans are trying to deny.
For your specific point - of course the President of the United States represents you - he represents you by doing what he perceives is best for you and your country - and what he perceives is best for you and this country happen to be the things that his voters (his constituency) elected him to do.
Please explain.
Please explain.
I actually said - "You is in Obama's entire constituency if you voted for him partially based on universal healthcare." (qualifier) Nonetheless, I do believe that anybody who voted for him is in his constituency - the majority of whom want funding for the healthcare plan.And you said that if you voted for him....then you're in his constituency. (Implied?)
Well - specific to the budget - Obama and the Democrats negotiating it are protecting funding for the programs that they perceive as most important to the country, the main ones being healthcare, planned parenthood, the EPA, etc.Ok, what are those things and how is he doing them? The truth be told though....he works for Americans. He is in their employ and he is to do what they want......all of them...not just the ones that voted for him.
They spent an entire year failing to pass a budget. This was before the GOP took majority in the house. This budget should have been done in September 2010. A full 2 (actually 3) months before the GOP came into play on the issue. Blame is most definately with the democrats.
Wait...are you serious? You really dont KNOW that this is the 2011 budget that was SUPPOSED to have been passed in 2010 by the democrat controlled congress??? :shock:
I actually said - "You is in Obama's entire constituency if you voted for him partially based on universal healthcare." (qualifier) Nonetheless, I do believe that anybody who voted for him is in his constituency - the majority of whom want funding for the healthcare plan.
Well - specific to the budget - Obama and the Democrats negotiating it are protecting funding for the programs that they perceive as most important to the country, the main ones being healthcare, planned parenthood, the EPA, etc.
I agree he works for all Americans. This, however, does not mean that he is to "do what they want". He is to do what he was elected to do while simultaneously working for the welfare of every citizen. If every president was to "do what they want...all of them", then we wouldn't need to have elections and nothing would ever get done. One can't both defund Planned Parenthood and fund it.
Oh okay. I agree with that assessment. I thought you meant that the Democrats were solely responsible for what's happening right now, as in the Republicans aren't playing politics at all in current negotiations. My mistake.
Calm down. I misunderstood mac's argument. :coffeepap
Misunderstanding is fine. I think there actually are a lot of mindless folk out there that really do believe this is the republicans undoing something and not simply the republicans left to do a job the democrats refused to do.
I think it's entirely overlooked that the Democrats simply refused to do their Jobs in this instance.
And even newer news: possible three day extension with no riders might get pushed through, but it is unclear if there is enough time to get it done.
So what you're saying is that Presidents should not keep their campaign promises?Well, no offense....which you'll take anyway...but this is completely assenine and is indicitive of what's wrong with our country. He's the President of the United States. Not the President of the Democrats.
Nope. I didn't say that or imply it. I think that the things I highlighted (healthcare, planned parenthood, EPA) benefit the United States and do not need to be sacrificed. I also believe in compromise - which funnily enough, the healthcare bill itself actually is.So only the funding that Democrats think is important....
If I had argued that the shutting down the government was a good thing, then this comment would be relevant. Unfortunately, I didn't, so its not. Find someone who is actually making that imaginary argument and argue with them.does it matter much the several hundred thousand underpaid Americans will go without a check and have no savings to rely on to feed their families? Is this not important to democrats?
The republicans were left to do the job the democrats failed dismally at. Its foolishness to think the republicans are going to federally fund abortions via Planned Parenthood. If this issue really mattered to democrats they should have done their job. If it pisses off liberals that they wont get their pet projects funded then they ought to raise hell with Pelosi, Reid, and all the rest of the democrat scumbags that couldnt even put together a budget proposal.
Eh...I have a feeling they'll get funded. I wouldn't consider Democrats any more scumbaggy than Republicans. I have not come to expect particularly honorable behavior from either side. Nonetheless, I think a lot of Democrats do criticize Pelosi, Reid, etc. for many reasons - we usually tend to do it with other Democrats and not Republicans who often seem to look for an opportunity to insult our beliefs. (I'm not saying this is you specifically).
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