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Nobody GAVE me my education. I paid for it. My teaching job was a job just like any other. You labor and you get paid.
Obama is right, no man is an island.
Without other people, nobodies business would exist because there would be no one to buy their products or services that ultimately determines whether or not their business is a success. Good luck having a business without customers aka people.
And, the part he conveniently leaves out, is that without the private sector the government wouldn't exist.
Really, when and where did Obama say that?No, no, no...Obama said it...you didn't do it, someone did it for you. You're not successful because of what you did. You're successful because of what someome else did. You didn't work harder, nor are you smarter; plenty of smart, hard working folks out there.
Basically, you got lucky and that's the only reason you're successful. Obama said so.
Really, when and where did Obama say that?
"....There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.) If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires....."
Remarks by the President at a Campaign Event in Roanoke, Virginia | The White House
The problem is you do take something from his hard work. His grandfather paid for his education...but he managed to get the oppertunity to have that educaiton due to the work he put into school to get the grades and the extracurriculurs to get accepted to that school. His grandfather managed to continue to pay for that education because he was successfully working at college to be able to pass the classes and learn his trade to allow himself the oppertunity to pay to stay in college. And on and on. That's my point. You choose in that paragraph to focus LARGELY on hyping up and promoting all the help he got while giving little to no credit to his individual efforts. The only mentions you made from it was a negative statement about how he BELIEVES it was all on his own and a statement of saying you "take nothing from his hard work" after you spent the entire post focusing singularly on his help from others.
The real differnece isn't that some recognize this, and others seek to take all the credit. The real differnece is that some wish to propogate and talk up one side and others with to do the other side and few rarely give equal play or credit to both. Because the reality is there's no real subjective way to say which one truly caused the other or allowed for the other or had more impact because you just simply can't test for that.
This won't hurt Obama because people "cannot see how anyone every helped anyone who was successful"...it will hurt Obama because while he focused on propping up the community aspect and severely downplayed the individual side of it, there are others who choose to simply act the opposite way of Obama and promote the individual aspect of the community. The difference is you seem to imply that those who view it the latter are somehow more "wrong" or less "right" than Obama's.
Good luck getting the raw materials and resources the business depends on without other people/businesses producing them. Not to mention an educated labor pool so the business can hire other qualified people in order to have a well managed business.Good luck getting the goods and services you require without a well managed business to provide them.
Every bit of that is factually incorrect. If I own a business based off of my ideas and the employees all pissed me off I could fire every last one of them, rehire a new crew, and still have my business. For that sentence to be true it would have to follow that I created the business, not my employees, and frankly it is true.
Not sucking on the public teat makes one less dependent on the public teat and thus less beholden to those tho supply the public teat with milk-democrat politicians
No, no, no...Obama said it...you didn't do it, someone did it for you. You're not successful because of what you did. You're successful because of what someome else did. You didn't work harder, nor are you smarter; plenty of smart, hard working folks out there.
Basically, you got lucky and that's the only reason you're successful. Obama said so.
yeah and NOT private businesses.
so Obama was right.
Do you know the difference between somebody GIVING you something and you working cooperatively with others so that their is mutual benefit and gain? That is a concept that we try to teach small children. It is sad that some on the far right never learned this or forgot the lesson as they aged.
I am successfully because of a multitude of factors and that includes what others in society did for me as well as what I did myself for myself. To ignore either part of the formula is simply ridiculous.
You know, after hearing the "you didn't build" quote and the more I read comments here, I'm starting to believe exactly that.
Is this more of the "there are no winners and no losers"?
Yup, my friend used the "roads", she used the "education system", she used the "banking system", but so did/does everyone that didn't succeed. So are "we" responsible for their failure?
yeah and NOT private businesses.
so Obama was right.
No he wasn't, because this country is more than just common interest things like roads and bridges. The people that take risk built this country, not the government.
You are laboring under the false belief that a person who may be on the public dole will ALWAYS be on the public dole and never pay any taxes to the government.
Can you present any verifiable evidence of the number of people in this category?
and those sucking on the public tit are generally a drag on society and the rest of us
No, it isn't. It is exactly the message. And whenever anyone starts with everyone knows (assuming things not settled fallacy), that person has already lost the debate.
What it seems to be you're doing here is projecting a political ideology into his statements. I think we should move beyond this type of tactic.
and to claim you now have some additional duty t pay those people more and more of what you have if they are failures is idiotic too.
Obama was merely trying to justify his grab of private sector dollars.
I guess you could look up how many people are on welfare, food stamps, and the like.
the underlying philosophy of the Parasite Support Team is that no one should have any individual rights or responsibilities but rather everyone is tasked with making the hive better (and making the queen bees more comfortable).
At least President Obama is being honest about his open goal of everyone being dependent upon the government.
That is what the country was founded on. The premise of dependency upon the government rather than a weak King who let people do what they want, plus opposition to the merchant class.
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