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He is right-it is during tough times like these that the middle class (which is dying thanks to the rightwingers) are what save this damn country. Time and time again! The middle class is what keeps this damn country flowing and why you do not have riots in the streets. They along with the poor are this countrys saving grace. It is damn sure not that of those on the Hill and/or the rich.
Because there are such things as tax write-offs, deductions etc. If you own a house, have kids etc. you get deductions. Have you ever filed for taxes before?
Not to mention the fact that the rate on long-term capital gains is 15%.
He is right-it is during tough times like these that the middle class (which is dying thanks to the rightwingers) are what save this damn country. Time and time again! The middle class is what keeps this damn country flowing and why you do not have riots in the streets. They along with the poor are this countrys saving grace. It is damn sure not that of those on the Hill and/or the rich.
Because there are such things as tax write-offs, deductions etc. If you own a house, have kids etc. you get deductions. Have you ever filed for taxes before?
He is right-it is during tough times like these that the middle class (which is dying thanks to the rightwingers) are what save this damn country. Time and time again! The middle class is what keeps this damn country flowing and why you do not have riots in the streets. They along with the poor are this countrys saving grace. It is damn sure not that of those on the Hill and/or the rich.
Maybe he should stop discouraging, or killing out creation of all those damn middle class jobs.
TRick questions! lol. 45k... there aren't that many people in canada lol. Seriously though, so many canadians cross the border for HC and that IS the truth. IF their HC was superior, we'd be crossing the border to get HC from them, not the other way around. As for UHC in Europe and why many people are still clamoring to it, there really isn't much in the way of private practice in most major European coutries and most Europeans just don't make anywhere near enough to afford any type of HC at all.:lamo + :doh = :bs
No no it doesnt. It doesnt even come close to "controlling our lives".
Also on the Canada note how many people actually die from these horrendous, just have to be awful "waiting times"? Studies have found 45,000 people in the US die from just having lack of health care... Now how many die in Canada from these "waiting times"?
Also if UHC is sooo terrible why are people all over Europe fighting for it to stay around whenever a conservative politician comes around and tries to get rid of it or make huge drastic cuts?
The middle class in this country is struggling for more than just an easy rally cry of progressive anarchists. And it starts with all of the hidden slap downs to entrepreneurship that this administration has projected through their rhetoric. See, there is too much double talk for even the middle class to feel secure that their taxes won't go up due to the enormous amount of hidden taxation, fees, and uncertainty unleashed by this administration.
2000 ++ page bills that only reveal whacks to average people when they are unleashed. Unchecked regulation imposed when this administration can't get its way through the legislation system that strangles industries, who then in turn pass along costs to us through prices at the pump, or higher energy bills for just living, higher grocery costs, etc...
Wake up. It isn't only the rich Obama has his eyes on, progressives have everyone in mind.
j-mac
The remarks of President Obama were 100% spot on. I dearly hope we see that theme play a major role in the campaign. Working people in America have to be aware of what is on the line for them at this pivotal point in history. We are perched on the edge of a knife and if we allow the right wing to take over the White House and the Senate it will be a major disaster that will take decades to recover from. We are seeing the rape of democracy and the middle class in several such states now. Here in Michigan, we are approaching half of all African Americans being stripped of their right to vote for their local government by Republicans.
half huh? Do you make this up or do others tell you to say things like this?
Right now, the cities of Benton Harbor, Ecorse, Flint and Pontiac have had their elected officials deposed and stripped of power by Emergency Managers under the Republican sponsored Bill #4 pass earlier this year. Detroit has a similar arrangement for their schools stripping the people of the power to have a school board with any power and the first steps have been taken in an official financial review to impose a financial manager on Detroit and strip them of elected officials. The first steps have also been taken against Inkster.
All six of those municipalities have a majority African American population. Together, they total 51% of African Americans in Michigan. That will end up being a majority of Michigan African American citizens who have been stripped of their right to vote for their local government and instead have one dictatorially imposed upon them by the State.
Emergency manager law being revamped | Detroit Free Press | freep.com
So I am NOT making this up.
Does this usurpation of basic citizen rights upset you at all or do you merely wish to make another smart aleck remark directed at me?
whew.. for a minute I thought you were being accurate in your assessment of what's happening in Michigan.
i'm relieved to find out that is not the case.
no one is stripped of their right to vote for local elected officials...
emergency managers are not some form of "dicatatorship".
this is not a race issue, no matter how much you want to make it one... it's entirely fiscal.
I shutter to think people that can mangle an issue so thoroughly work in government....
The remarks of President Obama were 100% spot on. I dearly hope we see that theme play a major role in the campaign. Working people in America have to be aware of what is on the line for them at this pivotal point in history. We are perched on the edge of a knife and if we allow the right wing to take over the White House and the Senate it will be a major disaster that will take decades to recover from. We are seeing the rape of democracy and the middle class in several such states now. Here in Michigan, we are approaching half of all African Americans being stripped of their right to vote for their local government by Republicans.
You are either lying or are ignorant of the conditions.
Under this law, local citizens lose the right to vote for their local government as the mayor and council no longer have any powers and the city is run by a financial manager who has ALL powers that the elected government would have. The imposition of the manager is up to the Treasurer and Governor of the State and the local people have no say. The manager is indeed a dictator imposed upon them against their will.
Since the communities so far have been communities of people of color, it is hard to say that race plays no role in this. It is interesting to note that when this law was passed earlier this year in Michigan ALL 100% of the votes came from Republicans - every single one of them representing communities where people of color only make up a tiny number. This is a perfect example of Ronald Reagans' nine most dangerous words in the English language "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".
Don't worry. Working people all over the country have seen that Obama is willing to put his agenda ahead of the well-being of the working class.
That does not even make an iota of sense.
141.1517 Issuance of orders.Sec. 17.
(1) The emergency manager shall issue to the appropriate local elected and appointed officials and employees, agents, and contractors of the local government the orders the manager considers necessary to accomplish the purposes of this act, including, but not limited to, orders for the timely and satisfactory implementation of a financial and operating plan developed pursuant to section 18, including an academic and educational plan for a school district, or to take actions, or refrain from taking actions, to enable the orderly accomplishment of the financial and operating plan. An order issued under this section is binding on the local elected and appointed officials and employees, agents, and contractors of the local government to whom it is issued. Local elected and appointed officials and employees, agents, and contractors of the local government shall take and direct those actions that are necessary and advisable to maintain compliance with the financial and operating plan.
(2) If an order of the emergency manager under subsection (1) is not reasonably carried out and the failure to carry out an order is disrupting the emergency manager's ability to manage the local government, the emergency manager, in addition to other remedies provided in this act, may prohibit the local elected or appointed official or employee, agent, or contractor of the local government from access to the local government's office facilities, electronic mail, and internal information systems.
read this section of the law - it is clear and direct.... the financial emergency manager has ALL power to order a mayor and council to do anything they want them to do and they have NO power to do anything but obey or risk being dismissed and sent home.
The elected representatives of the people are now powerless and impotent. The actual and real power - all 100% of it - is in the hands of a non elected official who is responsible to not one member of that community. The people are stripped of their power to vote for those running their local government.
Not only that, but the impotent and powerless officials that had been elected previously can be sent home and denied any access to anything having to do with their elected jobs and duties. In effect, they are officials on paper only with no power of any kind no matter how insignificant or tiny.
The result is that people live in a community and pay taxes in that community and are bound by the laws of that community but the government of that community is IMPOSED upon them and they have no vote, no voice and no power to do anything about it. That is a direct and complete betrayal of the words of Abraham Lincoln - "a government of the people, by the people and for the people".
read this section of the law - it is clear and direct.... the financial emergency manager has ALL power to order a mayor and council to do anything they want them to do and they have NO power to do anything but obey or risk being dismissed and sent home.
The elected representatives of the people are now powerless and impotent. The actual and real power - all 100% of it - is in the hands of a non elected official who is responsible to not one member of that community. The people are stripped of their power to vote for those running their local government.
Not only that, but the impotent and powerless officials that had been elected previously can be sent home and denied any access to anything having to do with their elected jobs and duties. In effect, they are officials on paper only with no power of any kind no matter how insignificant or tiny.
The result is that people live in a community and pay taxes in that community and are bound by the laws of that community but the government of that community is IMPOSED upon them and they have no vote, no voice and no power to do anything about it. That is a direct and complete betrayal of the words of Abraham Lincoln - "a government of the people, by the people and for the people".
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