As it should be. Would you prefer we use all of our oil deposits in the U.S. now and in the future when oil is even more expensive, we'll have to send even more money to foreign countries?
Until that "green" energy is cheap enough to compete with the supposed "dirty" energy, it will flop, not create a lot of jobs, waste money or some combination of the three.
Well... there is an easy way to make alternative energy successful. Make petroleum and coal products expensive as hell. Artificially increase the cost and create a market for alternative energy. The key would be to sustain the fossil fuel costs at a high enough rate to promote alternative investment and development. So $7-$10 a gallon gas, $5-$7 diesel, fuel oil at $12-$15, while increasing coal and industrial coal and power plant costs by about 50%-60% over a period of 8-10 years would do it.
It's actually getting very close -- solar panel installers are popping up all over the place. I've been cold called by a few wanting to come by and give us estimates.
The Battery model -- a battery that can power your house and never need to recharge -- all these things are just on the horizon.
No wonder all the coal and oil boys are ****ting their pants. Their days of polluting the world are nearing an end.
:lamoNo wonder all the coal and oil boys are ****ting their pants. Their days of polluting the world are nearing an end.
You're right, except I wouldn't call it "easy". It would also destroy the world's economy and the entire world would have to live like the people in Afghanistan.
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Yeah, Shell and Exxon are practically out of business!
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How much does that dirty energy pollution cost us each year? Does that get factored into the price of oil/coal?
Just saying, it would be pretty hard for the sewer plant to compete costwise if we could all just **** in the river.
Subsidies for green energy or taxes on fossil fuels will help make them cost competitive.
But oil will not always be cheap, in fact it will almost certainly get steadily more expensive. Investing in alternative sources of energy today will allow a less painful transition away from oil in the future.
How will we find it if we are unprepared to look for it?
Maybe there will be a 'eureka' moment when someone discovers a brilliant new source of energy nobody else had thought of, and it allows us an easy transition away from oil. But it would be foolish to close our eyes and hope this day will come while we steadily use up the world's natural resources.
There are alternatives out there, but like any nascent technologies they will find it difficult to compete with established technologies in a free market. Thus they must be supported in their development stages.
When did I ever say we shouldn't look? In fact, implicit in what I did say is that we SHOULD look.
What I object to is all the flowery hooplah about technology which simply doesn't exist and no one really knows if it CAN exist -- especially when someone is so arrogant as to pin down an exact number of jobs it will create.
And on top of that, to start trying to kill oil before we even know we can get there at all is stupid beyond measure.
Do you have any specific examples?
Investing in renewable energy sources; wind, solar, wave, tidal, etc, will create jobs, and will generate energy.
It's actually getting very close -- solar panel installers are popping up all over the place. I've been cold called by a few wanting to come by and give us estimates.
The Battery model -- a battery that can power your house and never need to recharge -- all these things are just on the horizon.
No wonder all the coal and oil boys are ****ting their pants. Their days of polluting the world are nearing an end.
Well... there is an easy way to make alternative energy successful. Make petroleum and coal products expensive as hell. Artificially increase the cost and create a market for alternative energy. The key would be to sustain the fossil fuel costs at a high enough rate to promote alternative investment and development. So $7-$10 a gallon gas, $5-$7 diesel, fuel oil at $12-$15, while increasing coal and industrial coal and power plant costs by about 50%-60% over a period of 8-10 years would do it.
Right - "easy" as a relative term. It couldn't change over night but I think that's the only way to really kick start alternative energy - other than the way things are going now, which would be to put billions of artificial stimulus to create something no one wants to buy because it's more expensive than fossil fuels. :shrug:
From an investment perspective, Obama's plan here sounds like a loser.
I got it.... call on me!
What is cap and trade.
Did I win the all expense paid vacation to Tehran?
It's actually getting very close -- solar panel installers are popping up all over the place. I've been cold called by a few wanting to come by and give us estimates.
The Battery model -- a battery that can power your house and never need to recharge -- all these things are just on the horizon.
No wonder all the coal and oil boys are ****ting their pants. Their days of polluting the world are nearing an end.
Too bad so many people are out of work and can't afford to install those systems.
My ole lady is a believer in green energy. She invited some clown over to the house to show us his solar system. She **** a brick, when he told her it was 26 g's. That's when I reminded her that if Obama hadn't put the drilling moratorium in place, we could probably afford it.
Green energy is all fine-n-good, but since Obama has killed the job market, no one can afford to purchase the equipment. Those unintended consiquences are a mother ****er. Tax credits don't mean jack ****, when you don't have a job.
And there is no guarantee that there IS anything with a combination of cheaper, more portable, and more energy-intensive than oil.
so we are supposed to give up?
What if a new home builder doesn't WANT solar panels?
Frankly I think it should have been a part of building codes since the mid 80s. I think they should have eliminated 110VAC house power where possible. And if people dont WANT solar panels, then there is always candles. We mandate more efficient means of construction all the time. And OK...OK...heres a compromise...no mandating solar panels but higher energy rates or tax credits for those that implement them.
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