Obama Record from his own economic advisors

[Conservative]

Which has nothing to do with your false claim, which was that the 105th Congress repealed most of Clinton's business taxes. It now lies on the floor, bleeding to death as the fallacious statement it was from the onset.


I said your calculation included retirees and corpses. Your calculation was based on the work force. Among the reasons for the work force to shrink, as it has, is due to workers retiring and workers dying. You factored that into your equation. On top of that, you used the (U6) underemployment figure in your calculation which includes people who are working and you called them "unemployed."

:naughty:


Nope, that is no lie. When comparing presidents' performance in regard to the percentage of increase/decrease for their first 29 months, they shake up like this:

Nixon ............ +74%
Eisenhower ... +45%
Bush ............. +50%
Ford .............. +36%
Reagan ......... +35%
GHW Bush ..... +28%
Obama .......... +18%
Kennedy ........ -15%
Clinton ........... -23%
Carter ............ -24%
Johnson ......... -33%
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Obama record, 15.1 million officially unemployed TODAY 2 1/2 years later, 16.2% total unemployment or over 20 million TODAY, 4 trillion added to the debt as of the end of fiscal year 2011, and a rising misery index. Hope Obama runs on percentage change because the only people who will support that measurement are the brainwashed Obama Cult

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

Just another topic you know nothing about, the debt grows when deficits are created and Obama has worse deficits than any President ever and no interest in cutting spending.

Based on the Bush FY2009 budget and spending under Bush, the CBO estimated the deficit for FY2009 to be 1.2 trillion.

He is your kind of President.

Not exactly. He's doing worse than every Democrat president but better than every Republican president.

Pb won't give a number and bet you won't either but how much of the 2009 deficit do you attribute to Obama?

About $200 billion.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

The recession Obama inherited ended in June 2009. Reagan's recession ended in November 1983, Bush's recession ended in Nov. 2001 but was complicated by 9/11, Again facts that you ignore. Let me know which President in U.S. History had these kind of results

So? By this point in their respective presidencies, comparing the first 29 months in office, Bush, Nixon, Ford and Reagan lost more jobs than Obama...

In 29 months, Obama lost 2.1 million jobs.
In 29 months, Bush lost 3.4 million jobs.
In 29 months, Reagan lost 3.2 million jobs.
In 29 months, Nixon lost 2.2 million jobs.
In 29 months, Ford lost 2.2 million jobs.
In 29 months, GHW Bush lost 2 million jobs.

... and they lost those jobs with a smaller population and a smaller work force than Obama, which makes their loses even greater.

I don't see any reason to vote Republican based on that.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

Seriously, Con ...

Seriously, Sheik ...

Are you a parrot?

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

Obama record, 15.1 million officially unemployed TODAY 2 1/2 years later, 16.2% total unemployment or over 20 million TODAY, 4 trillion added to the debt as of the end of fiscal year 2011, and a rising misery index. Hope Obama runs on percentage change because the only people who will support that measurement are the brainwashed Obama Cult

:violin .

 

[Conservative]

Based on the Bush FY2009 budget and spending under Bush, the CBO estimated the deficit for FY2009 to be 1.2 trillion.


Not exactly. He's doing worse than every Democrat president but better than every Republican president.



About $200 billion.

You really don't know how budgets work, do you? Do you have a budget? Do you spend every dime in that budget? 200 billion attributed to Obama? Bush left Obama 350 billion of TARP. Did Bush have to spend that money and what did he spend it on? How about the 800 billion stimulus, did Bush have anything to do with that and how much of it was spent? Did Bush authorize the Afghanistan surge and the 100 billion supplemental passed in June 2009. Again, you don't have a clue

 

[Conservative]

So? By this point in their respective presidencies, comparing the first 29 months in office, Bush, Nixon, Ford and Reagan lost more jobs than Obama...

In 29 months, Obama lost 2.1 million jobs.
In 29 months, Bush lost 3.4 million jobs.
In 29 months, Reagan lost 3.2 million jobs.
In 29 months, Nixon lost 2.2 million jobs.
In 29 months, Ford lost 2.2 million jobs.
In 29 months, GHW Bush lost 2 million jobs.

... and they lost those jobs with a smaller population and a smaller work force than Obama, which makes their loses even greater.

I don't see any reason to vote Republican based on that.

Obama record, 15.1 million officially unemployed TODAY 2 1/2 years later, 16.2% total unemployment or over 20 million TODAY, 4 trillion added to the debt as of the end of fiscal year 2011, and a rising misery index. Hope Obama runs on percentage change because the only people who will support that measurement are the brainwashed Obama Cult

 

[pbrauer]

Was Bush in office in 2009? When was the Obama stimulus passed and signed. Guess the news of the 2008 election didn't hit Oregon. Since Obama's economic policy was passed in Feb. 2009 and was for shovel ready jobs how can the unemployment be Bush's? Here we are in 2011 and I guess it still is the Bush economy, isn't it?

Obama record, 15.1 million officially unemployed TODAY 2 1/2 years later, 16.2% total unemployment or over 20 million TODAY, 4 trillion added to the debt as of the end of fiscal year 2011, and a rising misery index.

Seriously, Obama became President on January 20, 2009 and you think he's responsible for the unemployment on January 21, 2009?

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

You really don't know how budgets work, do you?

Better than you, apparently. Case in point, you think 800 billion of the ARRA stimulus funds were applied to the FY2009 budget.

Do you have a budget? Do you spend every dime in that budget? 200 billion attributed to Obama? Bush left Obama 350 billion of TARP. Did Bush have to spend that money and what did he spend it on? How about the 800 billion stimulus, did Bush have anything to do with that and how much of it was spent? Did Bush authorize the Afghanistan surge and the 100 billion supplemental passed in June 2009. Again, you don't have a clue

How come you think I'm the one without a clue, yet you're the one who doesn't know that only $200 billion of Obama's stimulus was appiled to the FY2009 budget? As far as the TARP, that is all Bush. He asked for $700 billion and he was given $700 billion. As far as the $100 billion war supplimental, that was for the two unfinished wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that Bush dumped on Obama; I attribute the costs of those wars to Bush too, at least for 2009.

So the total amount of the 2009 deficit I attribute to Obama is: $200 billion.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

Seriously, Obama became President on January 20, 2009 and you think he's responsible for the unemployment on January 21, 2009?

Yes, according to his ridiculousness, Obama is responsible for unemployment on 1.21.2009 ... Reagan, however, he doesn't hold responsible for the unemployment until sometime in 1982, a year into his presidency.

Go figger :roll:

 

[Conservative]

Seriously, Obama became President on January 20, 2009 and you think he's responsible for the unemployment on January 21, 2009?

Nope, but he became responsible for the economy when he signed his stimulus and spent the first dollar of that stimulus along with the first dollar of the 350 billion TARP money he spent. Still waiting for how much you believe Obama contributed to the 2009 deficits?

 

[Conservative]

Better than you, apparently. Case in point, you think 800 billion of the ARRA stimulus funds were applied to the FY2009 budget.


How come you think I'm the one without a clue, yet you're the one who doesn't know that only $200 billion of Obama's stimulus was appiled to the FY2009 budget? As far as the TARP, that is all Bush. He asked for $700 billion and he was given $700 billion. As far as the $100 billion war supplimental, that was for the two unfinished wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that Bush dumped on Obama; I attribute the costs of those wars to Bush too, at least for 2009.

So the total amount of the 2009 deficit I attribute to Obama is: $200 billion.

I never said that, getting desparate? How much of the stimulus was spent in 2009? How much of TARP left Obama was spent in 2009, How much of the Afghanistan supplemental was spent in 2009? Only in the liberal world does a budgeted amount mean spent money. Obama didn't have to spend the 350 billion TARP money so again you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[lpast]

Nope, but he became responsible for the economy when he signed his stimulus and spent the first dollar of that stimulus along with the first dollar of the 350 billion TARP money he spent. Still waiting for how much you believe Obama contributed to the 2009 deficits?

I like GW Bush and voted for him both times...but dont you think he OWNS some of this economy...one of his last acts was the first 700 billion bailout of the big guys

 

[Conservative]

I like GW Bush and voted for him both times...but dont you think he OWNS some of this economy...one of his last acts was the first 700 billion bailout of the big guys

No, he doesn't own this economy, Obama spent too much money buying it. Why would you think 2 1/2 years later that he owned the economy today? As for the baiout(TARP) the further we get away from it the more people forget. Obama voted FOR TARP and Bush left him 350 billion some of which he used to takeover GM/Chrysler. Most of TARP has been repaid so where did the repayment go? Obama and his supporters are good at placing blame but not so good at accepting responsibility. Obama economic policy is a failure and he has no plan to put 24+ million Americans back to work paying taxes. Bush had a net job gain and a plan to increase unemployment. Obama has a net job loss and no plan to put people back to work.

 

[Conservative]

Here are five sentences that mean nothing to a liberals especially Obama but should. Think about it

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody, anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work, because somebody else is
going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

 

[Conservative]

Yes, according to his ridiculousness, Obama is responsible for unemployment on 1.21.2009 ... Reagan, however, he doesn't hold responsible for the unemployment until sometime in 1982, a year into his presidency.

Go figger :roll:

I doubt very seriously that anyone today is going to compare the Obama record to Reagan's or even Bush's 2 1/2 years after Obama took office. I fully expect that the electorate will compare the Obama record today and will find that the unemployment is higher, the employment lower, the misery index higher, much more added to the debt, and the economy faltering. Very few people are ever going to look at percentage change because percentage change means nothing when there are over 24 million unemployed Americans today and doubt that the official unemployment number of 14.7 million is going to be ignored just like the total unemployment number of 16.2% is going to be ignored.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

Better than you, apparently. Case in point, you think 800 billion of the ARRA stimulus funds were applied to the FY2009 budget.

I never said that, getting desparate? How much of the stimulus was spent in 2009?

Puh-lease. Stop projecting. A sign of desperation is when someone has to lie to protect their position and here you are, lying your ass off once again. You absolutely did say $800 billion of the ARRA was spent in fiscal year 2009...

"The 2009 budget didn't generate the 1.3 trillion dollar deficit, supplementals to that budget did and those supplementals included the 800 billion dollar stimulus, 100 billion dollar Afghanistan war supplemental, and the 350 billion TARP" ~ Conservative
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The desperate one is you.

The liar here is you.

How much of the stimulus was spent in 2009?

Asked and answered ... it increased the deficit by $200 billion for FY2009.

Bush owns the 2009 deficit.

How much of TARP left Obama was spent in 2009, How much of the Afghanistan supplemental was spent in 2009?

Bush is responsible for the TARP. All $700 billion. He asked for it and he got it. And again, the Iraq and Afghanistan wars are also Bush's. Had he been competent, maybe he could have finished them off quicker than 6 and 7 years respectively.

 

[Conservative]

Sheik Yerbuti;1059644911]Puh-lease. Stop projecting. A sign of desperation is when someone has to lie to protect their position and here you are, lying your ass off once again. You absolutely did say $800 billion of the ARRA was spent in fiscal year 2009...

No, I didn't, prove it? I said the Stimulus was passed and signed in 2009. I asked you how much of that was spent in 2009 and you claimed 200 billion so prove it. then add the TARP spending and the Afghanistan supplemental to it now tell me how much was added to the 2009 deficit. Hint: more than 200 billion.

Calling me a liar is a personal attack. A lessor person would report you. Check with some of your liberal buddies and see what they would have done?

Asked and answered ... it increased the deficit by $200 billion for FY2009.

Bush owns the 2009 deficit.

You really need to seek some help, so much invested in your BDS that you ignore the Obama record. here we are 2 1/2 years later and the record is worse. He has had time to correct the problems and promised he would. His economic policy is a failure.

Bush is responsible for the TARP. All $700 billion. He asked for it and he got it. And again, the Iraq and Afghanistan wars are also Bush's. Had he been competent, maybe he could have finished them off quicker than 6 and 7 years respectively.

Bush is responsible for TARP, signed it the first month of fiscal year 2009, October 2008. He spent 350 billion of it and left 350 billion for Obama. Obama supported and voted for TARP. There was no requirement that he spent the money that is why it was left to him. he had a choice and used that choice to take over GM/Chrysler. he also had the choice as to what to do with the repayment of TARP. What did he do with the money?

Sheik, you can continue to defend Obama but the results are there for all to see. Only those brainwashed cult followers continue to buy the rhetoric and the smile. I hope you aren't one of them.

 

[pbrauer]

Sheik, you can continue to defend Obama but the results are there for all to see. Only those brainwashed cult followers continue to buy the rhetoric and the smile. I hope you aren't one of them.

Conservattive, you can continue to defend Bush but the results are there for all to see - the Great Bush Recession. Only those brainwashed cult followers continue to buy the rhetoric and the smile.

 

[Conservative]

Conservattive, you can continue to defend Bush but the results are there for all to see - the Great Bush Recession. Only those brainwashed cult followers continue to buy the rhetoric and the smile.

Who is defending Bush, he is out of office. We are 2 1/2 years into the Obama term and he has no plan to put 24 million Americans back to work, cut the deficit as promised, and grow the economy. Tell me how tax increases add to employment?

 

[Conservative]

Conservattive, you can continue to defend Bush but the results are there for all to see - the Great Bush Recession. Only those brainwashed cult followers continue to buy the rhetoric and the smile.

You ought to be embarrassed to have Obama 2012 as a tag line with the record of this President and the scare tactics he is now using to create more spending. How dare him scare seniors into believing that they will not get their SS checksin August when there is enough tax revenue coming in each month to fund necessary functions however the question is why is SS and Medicare even an issue? Where is the lockbock and trust fund? Why does SS require current tax payments to fund? Think about who you are supporting Pb.

 

[pbrauer]

You ought to be embarrassed to have Obama 2012 as a tag line with the record of this President and the scare tactics he is now using to create more spending. How dare him scare seniors into believing that they will not get their SS checksin August when there is enough tax revenue coming in each month to fund necessary functions however the question is why is SS and Medicare even an issue? Where is the lockbock and trust fund? Why does SS require current tax payments to fund? Think about who you are supporting Pb.

Obama is playing Texas Hold-em with Speaker Boehner, good for him. It nice to see him play Hardball once in awhile. :coffeepap

 

[Conservative]

Obama is playing Texas Hold-em with Speaker Boehner, good for him. It nice to see him play Hardball once in awhile. :coffeepap

Scaring seniors is the way to play Texas Holdem? Interesting bit of compassion you have as once again you ignore the lies of this President. You ought to be ashamed.

 

[Red Crow]

Scaring seniors is the way to play Texas Holdem? Interesting bit of compassion you have as once again you ignore the lies of this President. You ought to be ashamed.

Obama has no other way out but to use this strategy. This goes to show you that this idiot could care less about the American people.

 

[Conservative]

Obama has no other way out but to use this strategy. This goes to show you that this idiot could care less about the American people.

Frustrating isn't it that Obama has to play games with the lives of others to promote his leftwing agenda. Hopefully the majority don't buy his rhetoric any more and realize how totally incompetent he really is and the results show it.