Boo Radley
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After reading and catching up in this thread I have now abandoned all meager hope that the two sides will be capable of reaching a working compromise.
No is really interested in compromise, but instead are interested in being right. Neither side is completely right and neither side is completely wrong, but I doubt that will be factored in.
Some are so radical that they propose ideals that would dump the elderly and infirm on the streets.
Some are so radical that they think that full blown socialism will fix things.
Overall it appears that things like education have less priority than military spending. This is the doorway to doom as a nation.
For a long term solution everybody will have to put some chips on the table. If only one side ends up with all the chips on the table we can uniformly expect an economic collapse. If neither side puts any chips on the table we can uniformly expect an economic collapse.
I see one side blame the other for loss of our freedoms, but when I look at facts and voting records I see equal guilt from both parties.
Yes, we truly have the government we deserve.
All else is vanity
Compromise is rarely achieved on these sites. While it is nice when actual positive discourse happens, it is rare, like a precious jewel. All else is vanity.
:coffeepap
Not to sound insulting, but you really need to value your labor more.
The business owner would be absolutely no where without the work you and your fellow works put in. No business can exist without the workers that keep it running.
And the difference being, we few on this site do not represent an entire country. THEY need to set their differences aside. THEY need to get their **** together. For us. We, the People. Not their ****ing rich cronies.
Interesting chart.This may surprise you but the debt has nothing to do with money we haven't spent yet.
What do you know? That kind of goes along with the fact that the tax the middle class paid was negligible in comparison to what the rich contributed.because the savings the middle class received were negligible in comparison to what the rich received
And the difference being, we few on this site do not represent an entire country. THEY need to set their differences aside. THEY need to get their **** together. For us. We, the People. Not their ****ing rich cronies.
Interesting chart.
Sadly, you'd have to double the length of the Y-axis to fit Obama's yearly contributions. CBO estimates suggest he's on track to add more debt than all those other presidents combined.
Workers (code for unions) don't sign my paycheck, business owners do. My posts reflect that.
j-mac
Thank you for the welcome!First, let echo BD Boop's welcome.
Now, no insult taken, however, let me as what makes you think I don't value my labor? Truck drivers are among the most independent group of employee blocks in the nation. We are constantly struggling to find better wages, and working conditions, or even striking out on our own. As evidenced by the number of truckers that are constantly changing whom they drive for.
Not really surprising. Though this does speak to the "fiscally sound" conservatives more than anything else. Always claiming less debt and smaller government; yet we rarely realize that during a Republican presidency. Now we have two big deficit spending parties. Woot.
Now we have two big deficit spending parties
Not really surprising. Though this does speak to the "fiscally sound" conservatives more than anything else. Always claiming less debt and smaller government; yet we rarely realize that during a Republican presidency. Now we have two big deficit spending parties. Woot.
The fact actually is, the only 2 Democrat presidents in recent history (Carter and Clinton) both were either very close to deficit neutral compared to the Republican administrations within that time frame.
The fact actually is, the only 2 Democrat presidents in recent history (Carter and Clinton) both were either very close to deficit neutral compared to the Republican administrations within that time frame.
I already understand where you're trying to take this, but it's kind of worthless. Even when Republicans control all three branches of government they still run up massive debt and increase the size of government. The only difference has been the party controlling the white house.just a simple question for you .... who acturally writes the budgets that the president signs ?
Thank you for the welcome!
I based my opinion partly on the comment you made regarding unions. Unions (historically speaking) were a major factor in the creation of the middle class.
The other part is your focus on business owners. If they are making over $250,000 in profit (profit is after all costs have been addressed and accounted for) you are in no danger of having your business fail due to a 3% increase in personal taxation. Those additional taxes will be much more helpful for the rest of the country through entitlement programs, education, infrastructure and research into new technologies to improve America. You are much more value than the business owner's 3% in profit taxation and the smart business owner is very much aware of that... you should be aware of that as well.
You don't sacrifice benefits for the 98% for the benefit of just the 2%. That's simply illogical.
Number wise it is... but as you say that's neither hear nor there honestly. Neither have been serving the people as they should.Yeah, they had a bit more "fiscal responsibility" than the Republicans. But it's not like it's that different. Obama is spending like a rocket and now the government can't even come up with a budget; which is their job and both parties fault. I see no functional difference between the two main parties. Neither serve the People.
I already understand where you're trying to take this, but it's kind of worthless. Even when Republicans control all three branches of government they still run up massive debt and increase the size of government. The only difference has been the party controlling the white house.
Interesting chart.
Sadly, you'd have to double the length of the Y-axis to fit Obama's yearly contributions. CBO estimates suggest he's on track to add more debt than all those other presidents combined.
What do you know? That kind of goes along with the fact that the tax the middle class paid was negligible in comparison to what the rich contributed.
Funny how that works.
Number wise it is... but as you say that's neither hear nor there honestly. Neither have been serving the people as they should.
I just find the claim that Republicans are fiscally conservative a bit lacking in historical evidence.
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