Did Obama as a candidate say he would put coal fired plants builders out of bussiness ?
Has the Federal EPA standards for coal fired plants been increased to the point of draconian ? Have these new EPA standards hurt the coal industry ?
Is this plant having problems meeting the requirments of Obamas new EPA standards ?
These questions are yes or no questions.
And as far as natural gas Obama made a pre-election speech in Colorado extolling the virtues of Natural Gas and then promptly closed off access to federal lands after 60 million morons re-elected him.
I think its a bit hypocritical fpr a liberal to accuse somone of lying.
Carey suggests that Obama is carrying out the threat he made in 2008, but the new rules from the EPA are different from the cap-and-trade proposal Obama had in 2008. Candidate Obama’s methods were to be more aggressive. In fact, the EPA has shown some flexibility, agreeing to phase in carbon restrictions on new or expanded plants based on their size. The agency also announced on the same day as Carey testified that it will delay its deadlines for businesses that must report their emissions.
The Obama administration has sought to reduce carbon emissions in an effort to combat climate change, in part through investment in clean energy alternatives like solar power. But the president has not issued rules limiting greenhouse gas emissions for power plants - a move that would likely cause him serious political headaches in Rust Belt states. His effort to pass so-called "cap-and-trade" legislation - which would reduce carbon pollution by imposing caps on emissions and allowing companies to buy and sell pollution permits - collapsed in 2010 and has been little-mentioned by the president since.
The EPA regulations approved under Mr. Obama are designed to reduce emissions of mercury and other pollution by 90 percent by requiring plant owners to install mechanisms to control the pollution. While many newer plants were already largely in compliance with the requirements,
Did Obama as a candidate say he would put coal fired plants builders out of bussiness ?
Has the Federal EPA standards for coal fired plants been increased to the point of draconian ? Have these new EPA standards hurt the coal industry ?
Is this plant having problems meeting the requirments of Obamas new EPA standards ?
These questions are yes or no questions.
And as far as natural gas Obama made a pre-election speech in Colorado extolling the virtues of Natural Gas and then promptly closed off access to federal lands after 60 million morons re-elected him.
I think its a bit hypocritical fpr a liberal to accuse somone of lying.
Here, let's look at some facts:
PolitiFact Ohio | Ohio coal industry says Obama promised to bankrupt coal-fired power plant builders
Has Obama declared a "war on coal?" - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
So much for those draconian regulations and new standards...
Why don't you answer these questions yourself?
Nice " objective " sources there redress..
Blatant side step and failure to answer the simple yes or no questions.
Are you that scared to tell the truth ?
Nice " objective " sources there redress..
Blatant side step and failure to answer the simple yes or no questions.
Are you that scared to tell the truth ?
Yet you are willing to accept a Washington Examiner article as fact:roll:
The plant was given an air permit in January 2011 by the TCEQ. A challenge to that permit was brought by a coalition of environmental groups, including the Sierra Club, the Environmental Defense Fund (EDF), the Corpus Christi Clean Economy Coalition, and several Texas cities. Now Judge Yelenosky has ruled in those groups’ favor, reversing the air permit.
Why the Las Brisas Coal Plant Air Permit Was Reversed | StateImpact Texas
Actually they still had problems with Texas. From my already supplied link:
Your story is nothing but a CEO blaming others for his failures in true conservative fashion.
Not to mention that coal power plants are geing completely destroyed by natural gas prices plummeting.
Coal Loses Crown As King Of Power Generation
Just a few years ago, Georgia Power generated nearly three-fourths of its electricity with coal. Last year, for the first time, natural gas edged out coal, and just this week the company announced plans to close 10 coal-fired power generators within the next few years.
The dramatic and swift shift away from coal at Georgia Power is part of a nationwide trend: After decades in which coal was king of electricity generation, natural gas is making a bid for the title. And it's scoring big, unexpected wins in places like Georgia, where coal was especially dominant.
Lying douche boss is a lying douche boss.
So, you admit that government regulation stifled job creation?
You should at least understand the information you post before posting it. Coal still provides the cheapest $/GJ in the energy market, however states like Georgia benefit from NG because of the logisitics. There is a list of out there (about 28 pages) of energy plants that will be closing because of the latest EPA regs set to become effective by 2015.
Funny how you do not link to these things. The list: from a coal lobby.
Like I stated, you should understand what you are reading. Coal is still the cheapest $/GJ in the Midwest. Many of these burners already use NG in their raw mills and coal in their kilns. When substituting alternatives like used oil or #2 the equivilent price at 16,000 btu/lb. on NG is around .48/gallon but compared to coal it is less than .30/gallon. So yes they are closer than they have ever been but they are not there yet.
Why does your post have jack **** to do with what I wrote?
So you do not think the free market will work and another company will fill the demand? Is it Obama and the EPAs fault this company failed?
Anything to defend The One and his Gestapo, eh?
Anything to not actually answer the questions, eh?
Can a conservative please explain exactly how this is Obama's fault? Which regulations did "he" enact that prevented this plant from being able to move forward? I asked Fenton to answer this - a question that he himself posed - and he apparently refused.
So, Texas creates a lot of jobs and has a relatively low unemployment percentage and it's Texas that get's credit. But they lose a bunch of jobs and it's all Obama's fault. II mean, since Obama created the EPA and all. <rolls eyes.> Gotta love Texas.
It's also Obama's fault people have warts on their ass in Texas. But that's another thread altogether.)
I do think, however, the EPA should ignore Texas. Having been born and raised there let me testify that, generally speaking, Texans have no problems with piling up junk cars and old Curtis Mathis television sets in their front yard and no problem having a garbage pile in the back. They would just as soon burn their leaves in the middle of the street in downtown Houston. They find that catching crawfish is open sewer drainage ditches to be very recreational. The pretty colors from the oil slicks are considered to be art.
I say let them pollute their state as much as they want to. Has anyone ever driven through Stinkadena?
knock yourself out, it is quite a bit of reading, pdf at the link:
Institute for Energy Research | Powerplants to be closed as a result of EPA’s regulations
Okay, so MACT has origins in the 1990 Clean Air Act and is just an elucidation of that law. It is the product of an order by the DC Circuit to develop standards after deeming the rules set under Bush as insufficient.
CSAPR came out of a December, 2008 Court verdict and replaced CAIR.
So how are these "Obama's fault" even if the source you linked to is 100% correct in stating the downside effects of these policies?
The reason Texas has not given their OK to the plant(note that it is Texas where they are having problems, not just the EPA) is their poor planning to handle pollutants. See, that is why we have the EPA, and why we have regulations regarding emissions. Some of us are old enough to remember when LA and other cities would get so bad from smog that some people could not even leave the house on certain days.
The problem in this case is of course not that the hurdles are so high, but that the company was unable to get the work done to get past the hurdles. That is not Obama's fault, that is not the EPA's fault. Just because some one blames them does not make it true.
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