Obama, Boehner move closer to ‘cliff’ deal[W:292]

[Born Free]

Re: Obama, Boehner move closer to ‘cliff’ deal

The same can be said about Reagan and Bush2 where exactly was your outrage then lol. Keep up the strawman arguements. The credit down grade was a republican teaparty downgrade the debt was out of control once Reagan left office that was after raising taxes 11 times trying to keep up had the Republicans controled the house the last two years of his Presidency it would have been much worse! You do realize he spent over two trillion in 1980 money so I think if we adjust it to todays dollars you could doubt that.

My outrage was there then as it is now. Let me remind you, after the end of WWII is when you liberals started your march of entitlements, and free stuff. Over all these years you liberals have transformed America to a welfare / nanny state. You have destroyed the self reliance of the American people, to the point that they rely on government tits and freebees. And that is now absorbing over a trillion a yr to fund by borrowed money. All thanks to liberals.

 

[Donc]

Re: Obama, Boehner move closer to ‘cliff’ deal

Nice try, but you never rebutted one thing I said. Read my signature.

What haven't i rebutted?Do you want me to rebut your signature?

 

[TaraAnne]

Re: Obama, Boehner move closer to ‘cliff’ deal

My outrage was there then as it is now. Let me remind you, after the end of WWII is when you liberals started your march of entitlements, and free stuff. Over all these years you liberals have transformed America to a welfare / nanny state. You have destroyed the self reliance of the American people, to the point that they rely on government tits and freebees. And that is now absorbing over a trillion a yr to fund by borrowed money. All thanks to liberals.

You still have dodged ever question when asked to prove anything. What government freebies are you talking about your rants are getting quite tired. However if you looked at history you would see that conservatism is nothing more than a joke. The simple facts are there are no conservatives. They push this idea to try and get their social dogma through nothing more nothing less. You can blame liberals all you want but history show who damged the American way and it certianly wasnt liberals or Democrates it was in fact Conservative Republicans that did it.

 

[Cardinal Fang]

Re: Obama, Boehner move closer to ‘cliff’ deal

My outrage was there then as it is now. Let me remind you, after the end of WWII is when you liberals started your march of entitlements, and free stuff. Over all these years you liberals have transformed America to a welfare / nanny state. You have destroyed the self reliance of the American people, to the point that they rely on government tits and freebees. And that is now absorbing over a trillion a yr to fund by borrowed money. All thanks to liberals.

More lather, rinse, and repeat. Either you never had a nanny or she was one of those ones you see in the third film of the Saturday night horror triple-feature. People are otherwise not buying the pig in a poke you are selling. Nobody likes risk. That includes the Everyday Joe's that big business and their Republican friends have been dumping all the risk they can on for decades now. Folks are just plain getting tired of it. They've had enough.

 

[Master PO]

Re: Obama, Boehner move closer to ‘cliff’ deal

You don't think so eh? The American public made it clear they support letting the tax cuts for the wealthy expire. Now, all the president has to do is wait for the automatic expiration of all the tax cuts at the end of the year, have the Senate pass a new tax cut for the middle class and send it to the House for approval. If the GOP in the House refuse to pass the middle class tax cuts, they lose the House in 2014.

then what was the reason for the 2010 election then?

republicans had not won such a big win since 1947, why then were not the bush tax cuts then made permanent?.....if the people vote can elected them?

if the tax cuts expire, everyone will pay higher taxes, not just the top 1%

the senate cannot pass a tax bill, all appropriations bill must originate in the house, not the senate...that is constitutional law.

as for the fiscal cliff, i look forward to going over it.............

no tax increases are ever going to fix the monetary problems the u.s. has.....only reducing the size and scope of government will do that.

 

[Born Free]

Re: Obama, Boehner move closer to ‘cliff’ deal

You still have dodged ever question when asked to prove anything. What government freebies are you talking about your rants are getting quite tired. However if you looked at history you would see that conservatism is nothing more than a joke. The simple facts are there are no conservatives. They push this idea to try and get their social dogma through nothing more nothing less. You can blame liberals all you want but history show who damged the American way and it certianly wasnt liberals or Democrates it was in fact Conservative Republicans that did it.

Here knock yourself out,
US Federal Government Grants, Scholarships, Loans, Free Services (assistance)

But here is a short list

United States Government Entitlement Programs:

529 or Coverdell
Home Mortgage Interest Deduction
Hope or Lifetime Learning Tax Credit
Student Loans and forgivness
Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit
Earned Income Tax Credit
Social Security--Retirement & Survivors
Pell Grants
Unemployment Insurance
Veterans Benefits
G.I. Bill
Medicare
Head Start
Social Security Disability
SSI--Supplemental Security Income
Medicaid
Welfare/Public Assistance
Government Subsidized Housing
Food Stamps
Medicade

Then this

Government Website For Immigrants: Come To America And Take Advantage Of Our Free Stuff

A website run by the federal government (“WelcomeToUSA.gov“) encourages new immigrants to the United States to apply for welfare benefits. This website is run by the Department of Homeland Security and it says that it “is the U.S. Government’s official web portal for new immigrants.” So your tax dollars were used to build and maintain a website that teaches immigrants how to come into this country and sponge a living off of federal welfare programs paid for by your tax dollars. What in the world is happening to us? Yes, we will always need some legal immigration. We are a nation of immigrants and immigration has been very good to this country. But at a time when there are millions upon millions of American citizens out of work and at a time when we are absolutely drowning in debt, do we really need to encourage millions more immigrants to come over and take advantage of our overloaded social welfare programs? WelcomeToUSA.gov actually encourages new immigrants to apply for food stamps, Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, Supplemental Security Income and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families. Of course not all immigrants are eligible for all of those programs, but if an immigrant can get over to the U.S. and just get signed up for a couple of programs they can enjoy a higher standard of living doing nothing here than they can working at a low paying job back home. We have created a perverse system of incentives that makes it very attractive to people all over the world to do whatever they can to hitch a ride on “the gravy train” and take advantage of all of the benefits that they possibly can. And once immigrants get on welfare, many of them never leave. For example, one study discovered that 43 percent of all immigrants who have been in the United States for at least 20 years were still on welfare. We can’t even take care of our own citizens, and yet more immigrants hop on to the safety net every single day. At some point the safety net is going to break and then we won’t even be able to take care of the struggling Americans that really need it.

Government Website For Immigrants: Come To America And Take Advantage Of Our Free Stuff

How to Get Free Stuff From the Government

The federal government is a source of many free items for people who know how to claim them. These range from college scholarships and grants to pet care books, vitamins, cold remedies, school supplies, stamps, sports items, coloring books, flower seeds, comic books, and much more. Free government grants for small business start-up, technical education, and to help pay your high home gas and electric bills also are available. All you really need is a computer or book to open the door to a wide variety of government freebies.

How to Get Free Stuff From the Government | eHow.com

And this

Free Stuff from Uncle Sam | Quizzle.com Blog

And this

https://www.facebook.com/GetFreeStuffFromTheUsGovernment

Now this is good, the list shows Total Funding of: $1,974,042,215,000, Funding Programs: 1,607

Info: List of US Federal Government Funding Programs

 

[Born Free]

Re: Obama, Boehner move closer to ‘cliff’ deal

More lather, rinse, and repeat. Either you never had a nanny or she was one of those ones you see in the third film of the Saturday night horror triple-feature. People are otherwise not buying the pig in a poke you are selling. Nobody likes risk. That includes the Everyday Joe's that big business and their Republican friends have been dumping all the risk they can on for decades now. Folks are just plain getting tired of it. They've had enough.

I agree with you, you have taken self-reliance and turned it around to reliance on government tits and freebees. You are right, "Nobody likes risk", everyone now likes big government tits to suck on. "They've had enough", your right again, they have had enough making a living for themselves, Liberals have made sure of that by getting them intoxicated with government entitlements and freebees. Liberals are now a shoe in to continue winning votes as long as you can keep giving them the heroin fix of government tits.

 

[Fletch]

Re: Obama, Boehner move closer to ‘cliff’ deal

More lather, rinse, and repeat. Either you never had a nanny or she was one of those ones you see in the third film of the Saturday night horror triple-feature. People are otherwise not buying the pig in a poke you are selling. Nobody likes risk. That includes the Everyday Joe's that big business and their Republican friends have been dumping all the risk they can on for decades now. Folks are just plain getting tired of it. They've had enough.

Speak for yourself. I enjoy risk, provided that there is a reward that justifies it. Granted, you leftists try your best to limit that reward and punish those who achieve it, but so long as it is still out there, I am willing to take certain risks to achieve it. As for what risks have been dumped upon me by republicans, presumably against my will, you will have to tell me because i have no idea what you are talking about. Chances are that is just you engaging in the 'lather, risnse, and repeat' of your republicans evil, democrats good nonsense that destroys your credibility.

 

[winston53660]

Re: Obama, Boehner move closer to ‘cliff’ deal

Disability is not free it is paid for via pay roll taxes.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Obama, Boehner move closer to ‘cliff’ deal

Answer my question please do not dodge it. Republicans have no business talking about spending, plus America has seen the damage the Republican tax break caused. So again answer the question please!

You've asked me three questions. Which one do you want me to answer?

Never mind. I can answer all three: I don't know.

You see, you've assigned to the Republicans a position they've not taken...you've asked me to answer questions about that position. I think there is a term for this kind of thing. Oh, yeah...

Strawman

 

[Born Free]

Re: Obama, Boehner move closer to ‘cliff’ deal

Disability is not free it is paid for via pay roll taxes.

You found one, but don't kid yourself, the trust fund is full of Federal IOU's, further as an example, SS is free to a spouse after the partner has died, that may have never paid into the program. With SS the checks just keep on coming. Then of course a person says she's entitled to those checks, but my point is it's still a freebee because the spouse never paid into it.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Obama, Boehner move closer to ‘cliff’ deal

The problem isn't spending at all. That's just what the trainers tell you to say. Ork! Ork! Here's nice dead fish. In truth, spending over the past 50+ years has been remarkably consistent with what would have been expected given population and productivity growth. If you've never seen them, here are the relevant graphs in constant 2005 dollars...

View attachment 67139836

See the green line? That's actual federal spending in 1960 expanded by 3.25% per year. See the red line? That's actual federal spending since 1960. See the blue line? That's actual federal receipts since 1960. It's the blue line that has gone kerflooey, boys and girls. It is revenues that are missing in the equation. We need a lot more of them. Tossing the Bush tax cuts for the top 2% is just the start.

Then it's about time we turned those red and green lines to a downward direction. How high do you actually want them to go?

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Obama, Boehner move closer to ‘cliff’ deal

More lather, rinse, and repeat. Either you never had a nanny or she was one of those ones you see in the third film of the Saturday night horror triple-feature. People are otherwise not buying the pig in a poke you are selling. Nobody likes risk. That includes the Everyday Joe's that big business and their Republican friends have been dumping all the risk they can on for decades now. Folks are just plain getting tired of it. They've had enough.

That is a slap in the face of every person who has ever taken an action who's goal was never certain. It's also a lie.

It's your desire...only. It's the way you want people to be. It is not the way people are...though more and more people are slowly becoming that way.

No...the people who willingly take risks demand only one thing of you and liberals: Get out of the damned way!!

 

[ttwtt78640]

Re: Obama, Boehner move closer to ‘cliff’ deal

That is a slap in the face of every person who has ever taken an action who's goal was never certain. It's also a lie.

It's your desire...only. It's the way you want people to be. It is not the way people are...though more and more people are slowly becoming that way.

No...the people who willingly take risks demand only one thing of you and liberals: Get out of the damned way!!

The liberal fantasy world is basically seen as a zero sum game; if you have "too much", it is only because someone else, equally deserving, does not have "enough". The role of the gov't, in this liberal world, is to tax success and reward failure making it all "fair". The liberal gov't does far more than that, but that is the part that most liberals seem to see as lacking now.

 

[TaraAnne]

Re: Obama, Boehner move closer to ‘cliff’ deal

Here knock yourself out,
US Federal Government Grants, Scholarships, Loans, Free Services (assistance)

But here is a short list

United States Government Entitlement Programs:

529 or Coverdell
Home Mortgage Interest Deduction
Hope or Lifetime Learning Tax Credit
Student Loans and forgivness
Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit
Earned Income Tax Credit
Social Security--Retirement & Survivors
Pell Grants
Unemployment Insurance
Veterans Benefits
G.I. Bill
Medicare
Head Start
Social Security Disability
SSI--Supplemental Security Income
Medicaid
Welfare/Public Assistance
Government Subsidized Housing
Food Stamps
Medicade

Then this

Government Website For Immigrants: Come To America And Take Advantage Of Our Free Stuff

A website run by the federal government (“WelcomeToUSA.gov“) encourages new immigrants to the United States to apply for welfare benefits. This website is run by the Department of Homeland Security and it says that it “is the U.S. Government’s official web portal for new immigrants.” So your tax dollars were used to build and maintain a website that teaches immigrants how to come into this country and sponge a living off of federal welfare programs paid for by your tax dollars. What in the world is happening to us? Yes, we will always need some legal immigration. We are a nation of immigrants and immigration has been very good to this country. But at a time when there are millions upon millions of American citizens out of work and at a time when we are absolutely drowning in debt, do we really need to encourage millions more immigrants to come over and take advantage of our overloaded social welfare programs? WelcomeToUSA.gov actually encourages new immigrants to apply for food stamps, Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, Supplemental Security Income and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families. Of course not all immigrants are eligible for all of those programs, but if an immigrant can get over to the U.S. and just get signed up for a couple of programs they can enjoy a higher standard of living doing nothing here than they can working at a low paying job back home. We have created a perverse system of incentives that makes it very attractive to people all over the world to do whatever they can to hitch a ride on “the gravy train” and take advantage of all of the benefits that they possibly can. And once immigrants get on welfare, many of them never leave. For example, one study discovered that 43 percent of all immigrants who have been in the United States for at least 20 years were still on welfare. We can’t even take care of our own citizens, and yet more immigrants hop on to the safety net every single day. At some point the safety net is going to break and then we won’t even be able to take care of the struggling Americans that really need it.

Government Website For Immigrants: Come To America And Take Advantage Of Our Free Stuff

How to Get Free Stuff From the Government

The federal government is a source of many free items for people who know how to claim them. These range from college scholarships and grants to pet care books, vitamins, cold remedies, school supplies, stamps, sports items, coloring books, flower seeds, comic books, and much more. Free government grants for small business start-up, technical education, and to help pay your high home gas and electric bills also are available. All you really need is a computer or book to open the door to a wide variety of government freebies.

How to Get Free Stuff From the Government | eHow.com

And this

Free Stuff from Uncle Sam | Quizzle.com Blog

And this

https://www.facebook.com/GetFreeStuffFromTheUsGovernment

Now this is good, the list shows Total Funding of: $1,974,042,215,000, Funding Programs: 1,607

Info: List of US Federal Government Funding Programs

All paid for by taxes and as you like to say givin before Obama tool office. Try again weak sauce

 

[Fisher]

Re: Obama, Boehner move closer to ‘cliff’ deal

Well tax cuts for the wealthy have never created a job or we would be drowing in them. I would rather spend the money on roads, bridges, and the like those are jobs. For 30 years Republicans have pushed the idea that if we give to the rich everyone does well. I hate to break the news to you but a large majority of Americans see right through that prank. It hasnt and never will work.

I am not a republican and it is not news to me. As I have posted many times on this site, both parties suck.

 

[Born Free]

Re: Obama, Boehner move closer to ‘cliff’ deal

All paid for by taxes and as you like to say givin before Obama tool office. Try again weak sauce

Paid for by the rich, half of Americans don't pay any federal income tax. Thus the entitlement / freebee society you liberals created sense the end of WWII, is in full effect. And you said paid by taxes. Not anymore, it's now on borrowed money that you liberals think there is no end to the money supply. You love all these entitlements and freebees as you don't have to pay a dime for them.

Freebees all given before Obama took office. Wrong you liberals have been doing it forever, but Obama has given 30 million more Americans freebee Obamacare, and he took over the student loan program and is now giving forgiveness, he has extended the employment insurance so many times the unemployed have retired on their monthly check. Then he cuts the FICA tax so you can still get your SS paycheck but not have to pay as much for it. There are more on welfare, and food stamps then ever before in US history. Now under Obama we're headed for 20+ trillion in debt, and after you liberals promise more freebees you'll be elected again and then again. This has really been going on sense the end of WWII when you liberals started giving entitlements and freebees and destroyed the self reliance in people to one that is totally reliant on government.

What does the future look like for a liberal run country, tax, borrow, spend, and freebees. Oh and lets not forget to attack those rich bastards that don't deserve what they earned, and steal it.

 

[Imnukingfutz]

Re: Obama, Boehner move closer to ‘cliff’ deal

No.

SBA is a government entity. Score is not. They are separate organizations.

Our local SBA office is now the local SCORE office (Lynchburg VA)....same people....maybe they just changed their name...not sure in that case?

 

[Imnukingfutz]

Re: Obama, Boehner move closer to ‘cliff’ deal

Yes and it is one of the Republicans pets to upgrade Nuclear facility up grades. Republicans should be jumping for joy oh wait if Obama wants it is is bad kinda like the individual mandate, and pretty much any other idea that Republicans pushed and once Obama was on board it a bad idea.

Its also not the Feds job to be upgrading the Nuclear facilities....I just wish BOTH SIDES would stop spending OUR money on stuff that isnt their job to be doing in the first place.

 

[johnny_rebson]

Re: Obama, Boehner move closer to ‘cliff’ deal

we need the infrastructure spending. I'd put that at a higher priority than a 24/7/365 global military presence.

I really have no idea what the final deal is going to look like. if it's nothing more than what the OP describes, though, it's not enough on either side.

We don't need infrastructure spending, it's not like our bridges are falling down.

 

[TaraAnne]

Re: Obama, Boehner move closer to ‘cliff’ deal

Its also not the Feds job to be upgrading the Nuclear facilities....I just wish BOTH SIDES would stop spending OUR money on stuff that isnt their job to be doing in the first place.

Well honestly you may have to wish in one hand and wel ?!#! in another to get that. Unfortunatly we cant cut our way out of the mess it gonna have to be both! Sorry

 

[azgreg]

Re: Obama, Boehner move closer to ‘cliff’ deal

We don't need infrastructure spending, it's not like our bridges are falling down.

Except that a small number of them have and others are condemned.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Obama, Boehner move closer to ‘cliff’ deal

Our local SBA office is now the local SCORE office (Lynchburg VA)....same people....maybe they just changed their name...not sure in that case?

Hmmm...

In your area, who are you dealing with when you go for advice? A non-profit organization staffed with volunteers (SCORE)? Or a government agency staffed by government employees (SBA)?

Don't know about you, but that would be a concern to me.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Obama, Boehner move closer to ‘cliff’ deal

Paid for by the rich, half of Americans don't pay any federal income tax. Thus the entitlement / freebee society you liberals created sense the end of WWII, is in full effect. And you said paid by taxes. Not anymore, it's now on borrowed money that you liberals think there is no end to the money supply. You love all these entitlements and freebees as you don't have to pay a dime for them.

Freebees all given before Obama took office. Wrong you liberals have been doing it forever, but Obama has given 30 million more Americans freebee Obamacare, and he took over the student loan program and is now giving forgiveness, he has extended the employment insurance so many times the unemployed have retired on their monthly check. Then he cuts the FICA tax so you can still get your SS paycheck but not have to pay as much for it. There are more on welfare, and food stamps then ever before in US history. Now under Obama we're headed for 20+ trillion in debt, and after you liberals promise more freebees you'll be elected again and then again. This has really been going on sense the end of WWII when you liberals started giving entitlements and freebees and destroyed the self reliance in people to one that is totally reliant on government.

What does the future look like for a liberal run country, tax, borrow, spend, and freebees. Oh and lets not forget to attack those rich bastards that don't deserve what they earned, and steal it.

And sooner or later those rich bastards will get tired of being looted...or they'll run out of money to loot.

That would really suck for the takers.

 

[Helix]

Re: Obama, Boehner move closer to ‘cliff’ deal

We don't need infrastructure spending, it's not like our bridges are falling down.

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