Obama: Ban Parents from Having Children Counseled Not to be ‘LGBTQ+’

[CaptainCourtesy]

How ironic

Denial. It's been clearly demonstrated that you don't understand the logical fallacies that you commit... mostly because even after they are pointed out to you, you keep committing them.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

The only harm here is to the homosexual agenda which loses a recruit

The "homosexual agenda" was a false presentation created by that lying organization called Focus on the Family. It has been demonstrated that everything that they created in that "agenda" has been proven false, including the "recruitment" concept. You have bought into a lie, similar to racists who buy into the Protocols of Zion. Either you are quite prejudiced and just looking for ways to justify your prejudice and ignorance on this issue, or you are massively naive.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

How does that old saying go? The Devil's greatest achievement is convincing people he doesn't exist. The same sentiment applies here

Yes. To you. Your naivate is immense. You've bought into the lies and deceptions presented by the anti-gay crowd. In fact, you have bought into it so fully, that no amount of information, correction, or education on facts seems to make any impact. You have chosen to continue to keep your head in the sand.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Some reach rock bottom and seek treatment. Thank goodness others are willing to help. We try to help our kids before they get that far

Since homosexuality is not a disorder, there is no "rock bottom" and your post is irrelevant... as usual.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Not up to you to decide whether or not a child gets help. But then, that's what liberalism is all about. Deciding for others what they should think and believe and then forcing them to act accordingly

It is certainly up to the government to prevent conservatives from allowing children to be abused.

 

[Anglo-scot]

This is accurate. It is not the place of a therapist to place a value judgment on something like this. It makes the therapeutic relationship untenable.



Conversion therapy has been shown to be harmful and not work. The suppression of feelings and helping one to feel shame over their sexual orientation does not create the potential of good mental health. However, if someone CHOOSES to enter in this kind of "treatment" I would support their ability to receive it.

Ok but just to push the issue once more. I was not envisaging that all conversion therapy fell into the category of suppression of feelings and producing feelings of shame. I was envisaging that there were forms of therapy which opened the way for someone to move into heterosexuality if they freely chose that way. It seems that either this is a) a sheer impossibility in which case, all such therapy is bad or b) it is possible, in which case, there must be some therapies and some therapists who can help.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

The only harm here is to the homosexual agenda which loses a recruit

The only item on the homosexual agenda is equal rights. Bigots tend to turn it into a conspiracy theory to destroy America.

Not up to you to decide whether or not a child gets help. But then, that's what liberalism is all about. Deciding for others what they should think and believe and then forcing them to act accordingly

What's banned is conversion therapy, which involves electroshocks, physical and mental abuse, and in the most extreme cases mild torture. You do not have a right to do whatever you want to your child. You can't starve it or beat it either.

Could you change your sexual orientation at will? Could you snap your fingers and find the same gender attractive? I know I couldn't, I was born heterosexual and it's something I can't change, just like homosexuals can't change their orientation at will. Mentally or physically abusing a child to change its sexual orientation is sick and has rightly been outlawed.

 

[roguenuke]

Not up to you to decide whether or not a child gets help. But then, that's what liberalism is all about. Deciding for others what they should think and believe and then forcing them to act accordingly

You are basically being a hypocrite here. You are saying liberals want to force people to act according to their beliefs, yet it is parents trying to force their children to think a certain way, act a certain way, using abusive provenly abusive methods that is the subject of this thread. Even teenagers would not feel their feelings toward those of the same sex were wrong if someone else, like their parents, weren't pushing them to believe that.

 

[roguenuke]

At it's base, human nature is sinful. That's why good parenting is necessary

Only to those who believe that way. Human nature is simply our instincts. Those aren't sinful at all. They simply "are".

 

[Blemonds]

No, it demonstrated that your statement was inaccurate. And we have already seen the near countless times that your posts have degenerated into logical fallacies. It defines your debate style. Heck, you've show you don't even understand the fallacies you commit.

Oh the irony

 

[Blemonds]

Since it has already been shown that homosexuality is not the issue, your post is pure nonsense... once again.

It's been claimed, but not shown. That's why proper help is important once the parents realize their child has a problem

 

[Blemonds]

Denial. It's been clearly demonstrated that you don't understand the logical fallacies that you commit... mostly because even after they are pointed out to you, you keep committing them.

Now there's some special irony. Remember, people have to hit rock bottom when it comes to anomalies like this and meantime all we hear is "No, I don't have a problem". Kids can be helped early on preventing them years of misery and anguish

 

[Blemonds]

The "homosexual agenda" was a false presentation created by that lying organization called Focus on the Family. It has been demonstrated that everything that they created in that "agenda" has been proven false, including the "recruitment" concept. You have bought into a lie, similar to racists who buy into the Protocols of Zion. Either you are quite prejudiced and just looking for ways to justify your prejudice and ignorance on this issue, or you are massively naive.

More denial

 

[Blemonds]

Yes. To you. Your naivate is immense. You've bought into the lies and deceptions presented by the anti-gay crowd. In fact, you have bought into it so fully, that no amount of information, correction, or education on facts seems to make any impact. You have chosen to continue to keep your head in the sand.

More irony

 

[Blemonds]

Since homosexuality is not a disorder, there is no "rock bottom" and your post is irrelevant... as usual.

If that were the case, people wouldn't seek help for it in the first case. But then, when they reach rock bottom, at least they have somewhere to turn

 

[Blemonds]

It is certainly up to the government to prevent conservatives from allowing children to be abused.

But it's not up to the government to aid in recruitment, although those in government are certainly trying

 

[Blemonds]

The only item on the homosexual agenda is equal rights. Bigots tend to turn it into a conspiracy theory to destroy America.



What's banned is conversion therapy, which involves electroshocks, physical and mental abuse, and in the most extreme cases mild torture. You do not have a right to do whatever you want to your child. You can't starve it or beat it either.

Could you change your sexual orientation at will? Could you snap your fingers and find the same gender attractive? I know I couldn't, I was born heterosexual and it's something I can't change, just like homosexuals can't change their orientation at will. Mentally or physically abusing a child to change its sexual orientation is sick and has rightly been outlawed.

The bigots are on the homosexual side. When you want to use force to make people bend to your ideology, that is true bigotry

 

[Blemonds]

You are basically being a hypocrite here. You are saying liberals want to force people to act according to their beliefs, yet it is parents trying to force their children to think a certain way, act a certain way, using abusive provenly abusive methods that is the subject of this thread. Even teenagers would not feel their feelings toward those of the same sex were wrong if someone else, like their parents, weren't pushing them to believe that.

Parents are supposed to force their children to do things. They force them to go to the dentist, they force them to do their homework, etc. You're making a false comparison, but it was a nice try

 

[Blemonds]

Only to those who believe that way. Human nature is simply our instincts. Those aren't sinful at all. They simply "are".

Base human nature is evil. That's why we have parents

 

[Somerville]

Base human nature is evil. That's why we have parents

The above statement of belief is rather indicative about the nature of beliefs held by the commenter. As with so many statements made, they are unsupported by little other than religion - and not even all religions.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

The bigots are on the homosexual side. When you want to use force to make people bend to your ideology, that is true bigotry

Yes, because demanding equal rights is forcing you to bend to their ideology. You poor, poor victim.

 

[Blemonds]

The above statement of belief is rather indicative about the nature of beliefs held by the commenter. As with so many statements made, they are unsupported by little other than religion - and not even all religions.

If the statement was wrong, you would need neither parents nor government

 

[Blemonds]

Yes, because demanding equal rights is forcing you to bend to their ideology. You poor, poor victim.

Setting out to harm those who don't bend to your ideology is true bigotry. What homosexuals want to do today in support of the homosexual agenda is no different than what Democrats did in support of Jim Crow laws

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Ok but just to push the issue once more. I was not envisaging that all conversion therapy fell into the category of suppression of feelings and producing feelings of shame. I was envisaging that there were forms of therapy which opened the way for someone to move into heterosexuality if they freely chose that way. It seems that either this is a) a sheer impossibility in which case, all such therapy is bad or b) it is possible, in which case, there must be some therapies and some therapists who can help.

Here's the issue, though. One really cannot change their sexual orientation. There has been research on folks who went through conversion therapy, willingly. Most of these folks eventually went back to behaving in a homosexual way. Others admitted to just not acting on feelings that they still had. We are talking about a quality that seems fairly immutable: sexual orientation. Other qualities that can be altered by therapy, such as depression, anxiety, etc... have been shown to be mutable and may not always be present. For the most part, "altering" ones sexual orientation is more about suppressing one's sexual orientation.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Oh the irony

Denial. Another one of your most consistent characteristics.