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The Nunes memo dealt with FISA abuse...which first happened in Oct 2016. This thread's topic deals with non-FISA actions that happened in Jul 2016. Two different issues.
sigh...
The FISA system has, in fact, been abused a number of times. One of which times was stopped by actions of NSA Director Rogers. The abuse happened during the Obama administration and it was stopped during the Obama administration.
Tell you what. Given your lack of knowledge, I see no point continuing this discussion.
You are dismissed.
The action in July 2016 was an investigation that begun with a FISA warrant on Papadopoulos after the FBI received a report from Australia that he had known that the russians had damaging info on Clinton before the release of the hacked emails.
Why are you calling the application for a FISA warrant on Papadopoulos a non-FISA action?
There is virtually no such thing as "FISA abuse" the patriot act gave that process unlimited powers to investigate dangers to our nation. Personally I do not think the power that they have is constitutional. However in this case we would have an entire staff of Russian oporatives in our Whitehouse. As it is we have been able to thin some of the off.
The action in July 2016 was an investigation that begun with a FISA warrant on Papadopoulos after the FBI received a report from Australia that he had known that the russians had damaging info on Clinton before the release of the hacked emails.
Why are you calling the application for a FISA warrant on Papadopoulos a non-FISA action?
Wait...what? I've never heard of a FISA warrant being issue on Papa-whathisname. Do you have a link to information on that?
So you ARE talking about the Papadopoulos investigation!!
It was begun with a tip from the Australians. What was wrong about how that investigation begun?
Huh ? Sure there is. In 2016, the Obama NSA self reported ( under reported) to wide spread FISC violations and abuse going all the way back to 2011
This included illegal upstream searches and unmaskings of US citizens. The ACLU called it one of the worst documented violations of the 4rth ammendment.
Here's the FISC opinion on it....
https://www.scribd.com/document/349261099/2016-Cert-FISC-Memo-Opin-Order-Apr-2017-4
Its hilarious when Libs call Trump a authoritarian. Obama took this Nation closer to a banana republic than any other President.
So...you don't have a link.
And why won't the guy that drunken Papa-whatshisname talked to talk to the media about it?
Video and transcript here: Did Alexander Downer meet Trump campaign aide George Papadopoulos? - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Huh ? Sure there is. In 2016, the Obama NSA self reported ( under reported) to wide spread FISC violations and abuse going all the way back to 2011
This included illegal upstream searches and unmaskings of US citizens. The ACLU called it one of the worst documented violations of the 4rth ammendment.
Here's the FISC opinion on it....
https://www.scribd.com/document/349261099/2016-Cert-FISC-Memo-Opin-Order-Apr-2017-4
Its hilarious when Libs call Trump a authoritarian. Obama took this Nation closer to a banana republic than any other President.
So what is the issue with the Papadopoulos investigation?
You posted the transcript of him explaining why. What part of his answer do you disagree with or believe it somehow wrong?
Beyond that - he essentially doesn't want to be a pawn in American politics - the norm in these types of things, open and sensitive investigations, is to NOT go blabbing to the press. I'd guess what he said is classified on our end, so the question you're asking is why won't he go on TV and reveal (very likely) classified information in the middle of an investigation?
We know Nunes does this as a matter of routine - he acted like a Fox News errand boy for the texts from Warner the Senate gave him in confidence - but Nunes is a lying hack and his behavior shouldn't be considered the norm.
I don't have any issue with any investigation.
So the Papadopoulos was justified. I am glad we agree that there is evidence members of the Trump campaign worked with the Russians
I am not clear on what you are asking about exactly.
There are two main FISA warrants that we know about -- one for Carter Page and one for Papodopoulus.
The one for Page was based on, depending on who you believe, the Steele dossier or phone calls our intelligence agencies recorded of Russians discussing his possible usefulness as an agent with connections in the Trump campaign. However, this does not seem to be what is being discussed as Nunes is talking about an investigation, beginning in the summer of 2016, into the Trumps campaign possible connections to Russians. That Page FISA warrant was not applied for until Oct 2016.
So it seems --I say seems because the op refuses to state which investigation he is talking about, though he has denied this is about the Page investigation-- that this is about the investigation that began with a warrant on Papodopoulus. That warrant was based on a report from the Australians that Papodopoulus had told an Aussie diplomat --before the hacked emails had been released by WikiLeaks-- that the Russians had damaging info on Clinton.
Basically, some people are getting worked up because the report from the Aussies is not "official intelligence, whatever that means, as if it is somehow news that the investigation was begun as a result of a tip from the Aussies.
LOL!!
Dismissed.
He's already a pawn. He became one when he got involved.
I agree he should keep quiet if there is classified info involved.
Nunes has never revealed classified information.
LOL!!
Dismissed.
That highlights my question all along. Nunes talks about "five eyes" procedures, but as you say based on what's been reported the information clearly did NOT come from Australian intelligence services but from a diplomat who overheard a drunk guy in a bar.
So I'm unclear why Nunes expected to see the "official intelligence" reports as he would if the info DID come from the Australian intelligence activities.
What in the hell is "official intelligence" anyway? What's the difference between "intelligence" and "official intelligence?" Sounds made up to me.
With Nunes, the assumption has to be he's either lying or telling half-truths in a way that function as a lie, to protect Trump. So my guess is this is a big nothing - there was no "official" intelligence because of the way the information was discovered - drunk guy in a bar. No scandal, or break in procedure.
BTW, as always, I was disappointed in Maria B. there. I quit paying attention to her years ago when she acted as the PR arm of corporate chieftains appearing on CNBC. Like then, with Nunes she played her role well, including a breathless question about HILLARY!!! pulling the strings behind the scenes on all this. She and Nunes were playing a game of tee-ball - she set the questions up like a PR pro. So we learned exactly nothing from her questions except what talking points they'd agreed on before the "interview."
I'll ask again - what part of his answer don't you accept? Saying "he's already a pawn" isn't an answer. If he starts doing interviews at this point revealing what he told FBI or whoever, he's thrusting himself into the middle of our political mess and his stated reason for not doing so is he doesn't see how any good can come of that for Australia. Well, how will this diplomat help Australia by making public all the details of what he heard, who he told, when, where, etc.?
Yeah, he did - the "Nunes memo" included classified information. And it seems highly likely Nunes or someone with his approval got the Warner texts and walked them over to Fox News like a courier. Someone on the House "Intelligence" committee did at least - the Senate handed the info over and 3 or 4 days later it was on Hannity, with markings that provided the Senate confirmation it was the documents they gave the House that were leaked.
It's amusing how easily you retreat...
Or more accurately TAP OUT...
It's amusing how easily you retreat...
Or more accurately TAP OUT...
The Nunes memo was redacted of all classified information.
The rest is ignored because it doesn't involved Nunes.
Not a retreat.
I asked more than once for information. The member declined. I quit asking.
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