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Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump[W:895]

Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Atomic Kid said:
It's very simple. The FBI caught Papadopulos in a lie and the threat of prosecution convinced him that it was in his better interest to cooperate. Papadopulos was not a well known figure. The Australian diplomat who conversed with him at that pub in England didn't really know who he was and dismissed him as some young campaign blowhard wannabe trying to impress people with own imaginary importance. Until Wikileaks did the dump of the DNC emails months afterwards and then they realized it wasn't all BS. Clapper wouldn't necessarily been aware of Papadopulos because this was FBI counterintelligence operation.

Also commonsense dictates that you don't interview the target of investigation until near the end point of it. So that way you have all the facts and information in front of you to be able to compare it to the answers given. The investigation of Papadopulos opened on July 25 2016. The FBI made 'first contact' with him, I believe, on January 26, 2017. Which I believe was also the same day that Comey had his intimate little dinner with Trump at which Trump had asked Comey for his loyalty. Interesting coincidence, huh? Makes you wonder if Trump had been tipped off about the Papadopulos/FBI interview.

Another thing is that while there are many questions that Comey cannot answer quite yet. One that he could answer was if the FISA warrant taken out on Carter Page relied upon the dossier and he clearly and categorically answered that it did not.
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First, Comey is a liar, a narcissist and a self serving hypocrite.
If you have to rely on Comey"s statements to challenge my post, then just don't bother.

Second, of-course they relied on the dossier.
Andrew McCabe testified under oath that without the dossier, they wouldn't have been able to obtain their FISA warrants against Page

This of-course was in the Nunes memo, and it was supposed to be debunked by Adam Schiff's memo, but of-course it wasnt. Im still waiting for Schiff to debunk it

Third, James Clapper testified that he had no clue who Popadopous was, but James Clapper was one of the 4 Intel Chiefs that briefed Obama, Trump and Congress on the possible links between Russia and Trumps campain and Russian involment in our elections ( on the dossier )

Top Intel Chiefs brief Friday
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...iefs-fbi-cia-nsa-dni-will-brief-trump-friday/

So we know Popadopoulos wasnt importabt enough to be part of the Intelligence that was shared with Congress, Obama or Harry Ried.
So the idea that he's a seminal and central and important part of the investigation is ludicrous

He wasnt even part of the official IC JAR report
He was so insignificant, that the FBI waited 6 months after the investigation was started to interview him

Popadopoulos is a manufactured origin story, meant to fool the gullible and detected Hillary supporter and or Trump hater
 
Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Atomic Kid said:
The conclusion of that document doesn't appear to be as quite as ominous you're making it out to be.
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What that FISA Court ruling did was end ALL FISA (702) queries. All of them. Nobody...no FBI, CIA...nobody gets to make FISA (702) queries. No non-government subcontractors (think Fusion GPS)...nobody.

This effectively ended the ability of the Obama administration to get NSA information, unmask it and enter it into the PDB.

That's why people...such as Brennan and Clapper...wanted Obama to fire Rodgers. Rogers screwed up their scheme...big time.
 
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Fenton said:
First, Comey is a liar, a narcissist and a self serving hypocrite.
If you have to rely on Comey"s statements to challenge my post, then just don't bother.

Second, of-course they relied on the dossier.
Andrew McCabe testified under oath that without the dossier, they wouldn't have been able to obtain their FISA warrants against Page

This of-course was in the Nunes memo, and it was supposed to be debunked by Adam Schiff's memo, but of-course it wasnt. Im still waiting for Schiff to debunk it

Third, James Clapper testified that he had no clue who Popadopous was, but James Clapper was one of the 4 Intel Chiefs that briefed Obama, Trump and Congress on the possible links between Russia and Trumps campain and Russian involment in our elections ( on the dossier )

Top Intel Chiefs brief Friday
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cb...iefs-fbi-cia-nsa-dni-will-brief-trump-friday/

So we know Popadopoulos wasnt importabt enough to be part of the Intelligence that was shared with Congress, Obama or Harry Ried.
So the idea that he's a seminal and central and important part of the investigation is ludicrous

He wasnt even part of the official IC JAR report
He was so insignificant, that the FBI waited 6 months after the investigation was started to interview him

Popadopoulos is a manufactured origin story, meant to fool the gullible and detected Hillary supporter and or Trump hater
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First if Comey's memos illustrate anything it is that his previous testimony was completely consistent with them and if it were ever to come to a jury having to decide who is more credible, Trump or Comey, Comey is going to win that contest hands down.

Second, neither you or anyone else knows what McCabe's testimony was as no one has seen it. Nunes cherry picked a single clause out of a very lengthy document absent of any context whatsoever and Schiff isn't going to drag out more classified information just to get back at that little weasel. McCabe's testimony will come out all in due time and then we shall see what is what. You don't think Comey knows what McCabe's testimony was?

James Clapper was head of the CIA. The FBI was conducting the Papadopoulos investigation. Not the CIA. Steele also approached the FBI with the dossier and not the CIA.

And already explained to you why the interview of the target always comes at the last stages of an investigation, but apparently you aren't intelligent enough to appreciate it
 
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Mycroft said:
Oh for christ's sake!

Dude...this thread has over 600 posts and MUCH of it was nitpicking on "what does 'official intelligence' mean".

Don't bother me. Just read the fricken thread.
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Your retreat noted. No one else seems to know what it means either, which is why I asked you, the author of the OP. Can't you summarize in a sentence or two? If not what "official intelligence" means, then what was stunning about "official intelligence" missing from a report that was based on a diplomat talking with a drunk at a bar?
 
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Atomic Kid said:
The conclusion of that document doesn't appear to be as quite as ominous you're making it out to be.
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FISC Court Rebukes NSA For 5 Years of Illegal Surveillance of Americans
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.mccl...ional/national-security/article152947909.html

https://www.scribd.com/document/349261099/2016-Cert-FISC-Memo-Opin-Order-Apr-2017-4#download

" The document, signed by Judge Rosemary Collier, said the Court had learned in a notice filed October 26, 2016, the NSA analyst had been conducting ( ILLEGAL ) prohibited queries of data bases " with much greater frequency that had been previously disclosed to the Court. "

So Obama's NSA not only committed widespread FISC abuses from 2011 to 2016, they under reported their violations
 
Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Atomic Kid said:
First if Comey's memos illustrate anything it is that his previous testimony was completely consistent with them and if it were ever to come to a jury having to decide who is more credible, Trump or Comey, Comey is going to win that contest hands down.

Second, neither you or anyone else knows what McCabe's testimony was as no one has seen it. Nunes cherry picked a single clause out of a very lengthy document absent of any context whatsoever and Schiff isn't going to drag out more classified information just to get back at that little weasel. McCabe's testimony will come out all in due time and then we shall see what is what. You don't think Comey knows what McCabe's testimony was?

James Clapper was head of the CIA. The FBI was conducting the Papadopoulos investigation. Not the CIA. Steele also approached the FBI with the dossier and not the CIA.

And already explained to you why the interview of the target always comes at the last stages of an investigation, but apparently you aren't intelligent enough to appreciate it
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Comey's credibility was toast long before he went on his book tour. Now he's just pathetic.
You want to bet on James Comey as a credible witness let alone human being ? Good luck with that

And yes, we DO know that McCabe testified under OATH that without the dossier, they wouldn't have been able to obtain the FISA warrants

Nunes disclosed it, and NO one has been able to debunk it, not even that low life Adam Schff

Comey's claim that the dossier was inconsequential is laughable, and just shows what snake in the grass he is.

Lol....Think about it. Whats the point of including it if they already had everything they needed to obtain the warrant ?
 
Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Fenton said:
Comey's credibility was toast long before he went on his book tour. Now he's just pathetic.
You want to bet on James Comey as a credible witness let alone human being ? Good luck with that

And yes, we DO know that McCabe testified under OATH that without the dossier, they wouldn't have been able to obtain the FISA warrants

Nunes disclosed it, and NO one has been able to debunk it, not even that low life Adam Schff

Comey's claim that the dossier was inconsequential is laughable, and just shows what snake in the grass he is.

Lol....Think about it. Whats the point of including it if they already had everything they needed to obtain the warrant ?
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If you want to continue to stick your head in the sand that's entirely your prerogative. Trump is a proven liar. Why else do you think his legal team and friends are so desperate to keep him from to talking with Mueller? Because they know what will happen.
 
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JasperL said:
Your retreat noted. No one else seems to know what it means either, which is why I asked you, the author of the OP. Can't you summarize in a sentence or two? If not what "official intelligence" means, then what was stunning about "official intelligence" missing from a report that was based on a diplomat talking with a drunk at a bar?
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It's not a retreat when I tell you to do your own homework.

I'm not responsible for the ignorance of anyone else...not even of you.

I've spent more time and posts than necessary explaining the issue. Others have, as well.

As I said...read the thread.
 
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Atomic Kid said:
If you want to continue to stick your head in the sand that's entirely your prerogative. Trump is a proven liar. Why else do you think his legal team and friends are so desperate to keep him from to talking with Mueller? Because they know what will happen.
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Typical liberal...

When talking about Comey and you can't think of anything relevant to say...talk about Trump.

LOL!!
 
Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Fenton said:
FISC Court Rebukes NSA For 5 Years of Illegal Surveillance of Americans
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.mccl...ional/national-security/article152947909.html

https://www.scribd.com/document/349261099/2016-Cert-FISC-Memo-Opin-Order-Apr-2017-4#download

" The document, signed by Judge Rosemary Collier, said the Court had learned in a notice filed October 26, 2016, the NSA analyst had been conducting ( ILLEGAL ) prohibited queries of data bases " with much greater frequency that had been previously disclosed to the Court. "

So Obama's NSA not only committed widespread FISC abuses from 2011 to 2016, they under reported their violations
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If you want to see a comprehensive and detailed legal analysis of that FISC case go here; https://www.lawfareblog.com/foreign...targeting-and-minimization-procedures-summary

One of things you will see that is that the problems with queries were mostly to faulty that failed to purge the NSA's case management system among other things and these problems have since been been corrected.
 
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Mycroft said:
Typical liberal...

When talking about Comey and you can't think of anything relevant to say...talk about Trump.

LOL!!
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When it comes to honesty and credibility I will put Comey up over Trump on any day of week. Although that is probably not saying a whole lot as Trump sets the bar pretty low. You can pretty fill in the blank with whomever vs Trump and whatever name you put in will come out on top.
 
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Atomic Kid said:
When it comes to honesty and credibility I will put Comey up over Trump on any day of week. Although that is probably not saying a whole lot as Trump sets the bar pretty low. You can pretty fill in the blank with whomever vs Trump and whatever name you put in will come out on top.
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I gave that some thought and I have not been able to come up with anyone that's a bigger liar, living, dead or fictional...

Sad really...
 
Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Atomic Kid said:
If you want to continue to stick your head in the sand that's entirely your prerogative. Trump is a proven liar. Why else do you think his legal team and friends are so desperate to keep him from to talking with Mueller? Because they know what will happen.
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Lol ! Pot meet kettle

The Left is in absolute denial over the FISA scandal.
Lets count how many senior FBI and DOJ staff who were directly involved have either been fired? demoted, quit or retired over this growing " nothing burger " ( scandal )

Andrew McCabe, deputy director of the FBI ( fired )

James Comey, director of the FBI ( fired )

Peter Sztrok, ex-deputy head of the FBIs counter intelligence division ( demoted )

Bruce Ohr, ex-deputy AG and 4rth in line to the AG ( demoted )

James Baker, FBIs lead council ( re-re-signed )

Mike Cortan, mentioned in text between Sztrok and Page and FBIs asst director of Public afffairs ( stepped down )

David Kaufman, also mentioned in text and the head of the DOJ Counter intel division ( resigned )

Lisa Page, DOJ attorney and legal aid to McCabe ( demoted )

John Carlin, asst AG and head of National Security division ( resigned )

Sally Yates, ( fired )

Mary Mcord, acting assistant AG ( resigned )

Rachek Brand, assitant AG ( resigned )

Man, I can keep going if you want. Keep naming names of the Obama era DOJ and FBI officials who had direct involvment in this scandal, but I doubt it would leave a impression

We, those who are objective and honest enough to call out whats essentially unprecedented Govt corruption, are not the ones with our heads in the sand.

You people are
 
Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Atomic Kid said:
When it comes to honesty and credibility I will put Comey up over Trump on any day of week. Although that is probably not saying a whole lot as Trump sets the bar pretty low. You can pretty fill in the blank with whomever vs Trump and whatever name you put in will come out on top.
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Comey's credibility stands...or falls...on its own. Not because of how it compares to Trump.
 
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Atomic Kid said:
If you want to see a comprehensive and detailed legal analysis of that FISC case go here; https://www.lawfareblog.com/foreign...targeting-and-minimization-procedures-summary

One of things you will see that is that the problems with queries were mostly to faulty that failed to purge the NSA's case management system among other things and these problems have since been been corrected.
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Oh, there were more problems than that and the problem actions cited had been ongoing for years.

It's good that Rogers brought this mess to the FISA Court's attention and it's good that corrective action has, at least, been started. What's not good is all the crooked stuff that was already done. That's the stuff we are now finding out about. That's the stuff that's going to send people to jail.
 
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Fenton said:
Lol ! Pot meet kettle

The Left is in absolute denial over the FISA scandal.
Lets count how many senior FBI and DOJ staff who were directly involved have either been fired? demoted, quit or retired over this growing " nothing burger " ( scandal )

Andrew McCabe, deputy director of the FBI ( fired )

James Comey, director of the FBI ( fired )

Peter Sztrok, ex-deputy head of the FBIs counter intelligence division ( demoted )

Bruce Ohr, ex-deputy AG and 4rth in line to the AG ( demoted )

James Baker, FBIs lead council ( re-re-signed )

Mike Cortan, mentioned in text between Sztrok and Page and FBIs asst director of Public afffairs ( stepped down )

David Kaufman, also mentioned in text and the head of the DOJ Counter intel division ( resigned )

Lisa Page, DOJ attorney and legal aid to McCabe ( demoted )

John Carlin, asst AG and head of National Security division ( resigned )

Sally Yates, ( fired )

Mary Mcord, acting assistant AG ( resigned )

Rachek Brand, assitant AG ( resigned )

Man, I can keep going if you want. Keep naming names of the Obama era DOJ and FBI officials who had direct involvment in this scandal, but I doubt it would leave a impression

We, those who are objective and honest enough to call out whats essentially unprecedented Govt corruption, are not the ones with our heads in the sand.

You people are
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Funny I did not see a single FISA prosecutor listed as you claimed, so go ahead and keep listing as all those have been discussed. And as discussed the firings were political/obstruction, and the others were all in the best interest of the investigations public appearance.

Always the last desperate hope of the guilty I
Is to attack the investigation and the investigators.

Sadly for cult trump it nearly never works, particularly against the FBI...
 
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Mycroft said:
Comey's credibility stands...or falls...on its own. Not because of how it compares to Trump.
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Really? Just who do you think that it would be that he would be testifying against. Not terribly bright, are you?
 
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Mycroft said:
Comey's credibility stands...or falls...on its own. Not because of how it compares to Trump.
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The point is is that cult trump has a whole different truth standard to your Messiah than average everyday mortals.

In other words cult trump is a cult of hypocrites...
 
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GDViking said:
Funny I did not see a single FISA prosecutor listed as you claimed, so go ahead and keep listing as all those have been discussed. And as discussed the firings were political/obstruction, and the others were all in the best interest of the investigations public appearance.

Always the last desperate hope of the guilty I
Is to attack the investigation and the investigators.

Sadly for cult trump it nearly never works, particularly against the FBI...
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If he thinks that he can stop this investigation by attacking the Justice Dept and the FBI he's sadly mistaken. He would have to fire everybody in the FBI before that happens. And I mean everybody.
 
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Atomic Kid said:
If he thinks that he stop this investigation by attacking the Justice Dept and the FBI he's sadly mistaken. He would have to fire everybody in the FBI before that happens. And I mean everybody.
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don't put the idea past them.
 
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sangha said:
He does not know. He just made it up. Just like Nunes did

That is why he has to use the word probably

Because he does not know, and when rightwingers do not know something, they lie and make it up
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Six questions were asked; six questions were anwered.
 
Re: Nunes: There Was NO OFFICIAL INTELLIGENCE USED to Start DOJ Spying on Trump

Atomic Kid said:
Really? Just who do you think that it would be that he would be testifying against. Not terribly bright, are you?
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Questions and opinions of Comey's credibility don't just apply to cases where he testifies against someone. His credibility comes into play every time he opens his mouth.

However, to answer your question, it's highly likely Comey will be called to testify in the coming McCabe trial. It's highly likely that various committees in Congress will be calling him back before them to "clarify" things. Heck, Comey might even choose to testify if the criminal referral against him is ever acted on.
 
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Atomic Kid said:
If he thinks that he can stop this investigation by attacking the Justice Dept and the FBI he's sadly mistaken. He would have to fire everybody in the FBI before that happens. And I mean everybody.
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Yah and they think that two people that are on the investigation texting about one of the suspects discussing his guilt and actions somehow makes them bias.

They are out of straws and clutching at at thin air...
 
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