NRA lobbied to put guns in the hands of the mentally ill..[W-73].

[Moot]

The NRA Republicans cut funds for the ATF which has limited their ability to get guns out of the hands of felons and they gutted the Brady Bill with a "the relief from disabilities" loophole that allowed the mentally ill to buy guns....

...While the database flaws do not appear to have been a factor in the Newtown, Conn., school massacre, they have been linked to other attacks, including the Virginia Tech mass murder in 2007. In that case, a Virginia state judge had declared the gunman mentally ill, but the record of that proceeding was not submitted to the F.B.I. He was able to pass a background check and buy the weapons he used to kill 32 people and wound 17 others....<snip>

Some of the weapons were used in violent crimes, including a fatal drive-by shooting, but it is not clear how many were linked to criminal acts, because authorities are barred by Congress from tracking such information...<snip>

Many of the guns were not swiftly confiscated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, as federal law requires, according to current and former federal law enforcement officials and government documents. It could take weeks or months to collect them, if ever, the officials said, because the agency is too thinly stretched to make retrieval a high priority.

The bureau and several of its agents said in interviews that they focused on trying to recover firearms from felons who had recently committed a violent crime or were under a restraining order. But Scot Thomasson, a former chief of the A.T.F.’s firearms operations division who retired this year, said that Congress, facing pressure from gun lobbyists, had made it hard for the agency to do its job by restricting its funding, forcing tough decisions. ...read http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/21/u...checks-for-guns.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0

"...the [relief for disabilities] Act changes the standard by which mental health records are required to be submitted to NICS by federal agencies, which will result in far fewer records being submitted; and 2) the Act requires that federal agencies, and states that participate in the grant program, create relief from disability programs to restore the rights of some prohibited purchasers with mental health histories. Overall, the bill creates new loopholes that may allow dangerous individuals to gain access to firearms.38
Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

The NRA has blood on it's hands....

"...After the Virginia Tech shooting, Congress enacted a law designed to improve the background check system, including directing federal agencies to share relevant data with the F.B.I. and setting up a special grant program to encourage states to share more information with the federal government.But only states that also set up a system [relief for disabilities] for people to petition to get their gun purchasing rights restored were eligible under the law — a key concession to the National Rifle Association — which proved to be an extra hurdle many states have not yet overcome.....<snip>

"...After the January 2011 mass shooting in Tucson that left Representative Gabrielle Giffords seriously wounded, the Justice Department developed a blueprint to close the holes in the background check system, including steps that could be taken by executive order and not require Congressional action. But the recommendations were largely shelved at the time because the political atmosphere was deeply hostile to new gun control steps.

Still like the NRA?



P.S. Nancy Lanza was a right wing gun toting nut job and rumor has it that she and her son Adam were lifelong NRA members. Do you wanna know what else? Nancy Lanza isn't included in the victim death count list out of respect for the Sandy Hook School victims.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

 

[SMTA]

Not like a psycho nut job gun hater's opinion is going to bother me at all!

Pull that blanket further over your face and continue to believe what you want.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Not like a psycho nut job gun hater's opinion is going to bother me at all!

Pull that blanket further over your face and continue to believe what you want.

Come on now, she's on the verge of convincing all of us that we should throw our guns in the ocean.

 

[Ikari]

The NRA Republicans cut funds for the ATF which has limited their ability to get guns out of the hands of felons

Good, the ATF should be a store, not a government agency.

Still like the NRA?

No, I haven't liked them for too long. They push for gun control and compromise on rights.

 

[Harshaw]

The NRA Republicans cut funds for the ATF which has limited their ability to get guns out of the hands of felons and they gutted the Brady Bill with a "the relief from disabilities" loophole that allowed the mentally ill to buy guns....



"...the [relief for disabilities] Act changes the standard by which mental health records are required to be submitted to NICS by federal agencies, which will result in far fewer records being submitted; and 2) the Act requires that federal agencies, and states that participate in the grant program, create relief from disability programs to restore the rights of some prohibited purchasers with mental health histories. Overall, the bill creates new loopholes that may allow dangerous individuals to gain access to firearms.38
Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

The NRA has blood on it's hands....

"...After the Virginia Tech shooting, Congress enacted a law designed to improve the background check system, including directing federal agencies to share relevant data with the F.B.I. and setting up a special grant program to encourage states to share more information with the federal government.But only states that also set up a system [relief for disabilities] for people to petition to get their gun purchasing rights restored were eligible under the law — a key concession to the National Rifle Association — which proved to be an extra hurdle many states have not yet overcome.....<snip>

"...After the January 2011 mass shooting in Tucson that left Representative Gabrielle Giffords seriously wounded, the Justice Department developed a blueprint to close the holes in the background check system, including steps that could be taken by executive order and not require Congressional action. But the recommendations were largely shelved at the time because the political atmosphere was deeply hostile to new gun control steps.

Still like the NRA?



P.S. Nancy Lanza was a right wing gun toting nut job and rumor has it that she and her son Adam were lifelong NRA members. Do you wanna know what else? Nancy Lanza isn't included in the victim death count list out of respect for the Sandy Hook School victims.

As if this rant weren't unhinged enough, it ends with the disparaging of a murder victim merely because you don't like her views on guns. That is truly vile.

 

[haymarket]

Not like a psycho nut job gun hater's opinion is going to bother me at all!

Pull that blanket further over your face and continue to believe what you want.

Put aside the opinion. What about the facts in the post? Do you simply dismiss those out of hand because they violate your self imposed ideology?

 

[SMTA]

As if this rant weren't unhinged enough, it ends with the disparaging of a murder victim merely because you don't like her views on guns. That is truly vile.

Agreed!

Obviously she is blinded by hatred, and relishes the Sandy Hook deaths, as those deaths have given a way to push her sick agenda.

Thank the Good Lord that I do not know anybody that cracked.

Of course, I only know normal, God fearing honest people, who are intelligent and have common sense.

 

[Moot]

As if this rant weren't unhinged enough, it ends with the disparaging of a murder victim merely because you don't like her views on guns. That is truly vile.

No, I think it's the friends and families of the victims that don't want her included in the death count with their children and the teachers. See, they can't understand why she had guns in her house when she knew her boy was unstable. Nor can they can understand why she was training him to use them on a target that had the outline of man. They seem to be very angry and can barely stand to mention her name. But I don't have that problem so I"m going to put the blame where I think it belongs...on Nancy Lanza, law abiding gun owner.

 

[SMTA]

Nope, it's the friends and families of the victims that don't want her included in the death count with their children and their teachers. See, they can't understand why she had guns in her house when she knew her boy was unstable. They seem to be very angry and can barely stand to mention her name. But as you can see, I don't have that problem. To me, she's an NRA hero.

Wow, you are a psycho hater who can read minds also - how blessed you must truly be......

 

[blaxshep]

Put aside the opinion. What about the facts in the post? Do you simply dismiss those out of hand because they violate your self imposed ideology?

If we did we would be you.

 

[haymarket]

If we did we would be you.

What does that mean? It makes no sense. You seem to have an urge to attack me but what you post makes no sense devoid of facts, data, verifiable evidence and explanation.

 

[Moot]

Wow, you are a psycho hater who can read minds also - how blessed you must truly be......

No, I can't read minds, but I can read the news and the more I read, the angrier I get at Nancy Lanza and the NRA that has allowed this and other massacres to happen. If you can't understand that, then it's not me whose psycho.

In Newtown, Nancy Lanza a subject of sympathy for some, anger for others - The Washington Post

Newtown Victims' Legal Options Curbed By NRA-Backed Law

Adam Lanza’s “Prepper” Mother Warned Former Babysitter, Meanwhile NRA Goes on Lockdown | Taylor Marsh

Few memorials to forgotten victim: Gunman's mother

 

[joko104]

"...After the January 2011 mass shooting in Tucson that left Representative Gabrielle Giffords seriously wounded, the Justice Department developed a blueprint to close the holes in the background check system, including steps that could be taken by executive order and not require Congressional action.

Still another member who rages in a message how much she despises democracy and DEMANDS a dictatorial government devoid of any democratic process. RAGING that administrative government should NOT be subject to the elected representatives - LITERALLY CLAIMING THAT DEMOCRACY HAS BLOOD ON IT'S HANDS for not giving the Justice Department total, absolute power and exemption from Congress.

Why do SO MANY Americans now HATE Democracy - and specifically so many Democrats?

 

[Harshaw]

No, I think it's the friends and families of the victims that don't want her included in the death count with their children and the teachers. See, they can't understand why she had guns in her house when she knew her boy was unstable. Nor can they can understand why she was training him to use them on a target that had the outline of man. They seem to be very angry and can barely stand to mention her name. But I don't have that problem so I"m going to put the blame where I think it belongs...on Nancy Lanza, law abiding gun owner.

And you double down on the vile. Not surprising; you spew some of the nastiest, most hateful stuff of anyone on this board.

 

[Bob N]

Come on now, she's on the verge of convincing all of us that we should throw our guns in the ocean.

Put aside the opinion. What about the facts in the post? Do you simply dismiss those out of hand because they violate your self imposed ideology?

haymarket: just goes to show you after reading Moot's OP, and that OP's main subject was nothing more than sharing information with authorities about people getting around a legit loophole when it comes to the wrong people being able to purchase any kind of gun at all, all of a sudden certain pro gun advocates come out of the woodwork talking about "you want me to throw away my guns"; that article mentioned nothing of the such; it was all about the noncompliance of a lot of states not sharing important information with the FBI before a gun sale; there was nothing proposed about taking guns away or have owners throw their guns away.

Where is the real talk about all viewpoints (and that is even if you left gun control out of the picture.) concerning making things, like what just happened in Connecticut stop in a realistic way. Well so far we have had a thread that talked about "controlling the media" (Thinking: yep! we sure do need to throw those TV cameras and microphones in to the ocean before another one of them goes off and hurts another person.) :roll:

 

[RabidAlpaca]

haymarket: just goes to show you after reading Moot's OP, and that OP's main subject was nothing more than sharing information with authorities about people getting around a legit loophole when it comes to the wrong people being able to purchase any kind of gun at all, all of a sudden certain pro gun advocates come out of the woodwork talking about "you want me to throw away my guns"; that article mentioned nothing of the such; it was all about the noncompliance of a lot of states not sharing important information with the FBI before a gun sale; there was nothing proposed about taking guns away or have owners throw their guns away.

Where is the real talk about all viewpoints (and that is even if you left gun control out of the picture.) concerning making things, like what just happened in Connecticut stop in a realistic way. Well so far we have had a thread that talked about "controlling the media" (Thinking: yep! we sure do need to throw those TV cameras and microphones in to the ocean before another one of them goes off and hurts another person.) :roll:

That's exactly what she's trying to suggest. She's completely anti-gun. This isn't her first thread on the subject.

She's overly emotional about a tragedy and wants to jump to inane "fixes". She needs the government as her parent, and wants to force that on everyone else.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Moot, are you seriously blaming the NRA for the actions of congress? These are honorable, elected, public officials, looking out for "the folks", surely they would never bend their "princples" for campaign cash.

The NRA, is about the NRA, and no more - as any civic/lobbying organization is (e.g. AARP). Whatever they think will help promote gun ownership, and thus potential membership, they are for, all else they are either against or indifferent about. The NRA even likes certain 2nd amendment "infringements" such as CCW training classes as "rerequisites" for CCW permits, since they (via their members) offer these classes and profit handsomely from them. They, like the AARP, have commercial/industry support as well which also has an "agenda" for getting gov't help/protection. Congress critters will "listen to" virtually anyone that gives them campaign cash and/or possitive publicity.

 

[H. Lee White]

The NRA Republicans cut funds for the ATF which has limited their ability to get guns out of the hands of felons and they gutted the Brady Bill with a "the relief from disabilities" loophole that allowed the mentally ill to buy guns...

It is not illegal for someone who is simply described as "mentally ill" to buy guns.
Thus, your entire point is, well, moot.

 

[Moot]

Still another member who rages in a message how much she despises democracy and DEMANDS a dictatorial government devoid of any democratic process. RAGING that administrative government should NOT be subject to the elected representatives - LITERALLY CLAIMING THAT DEMOCRACY HAS BLOOD ON IT'S HANDS for not giving the Justice Department total, absolute power and exemption from Congress.

Why do SO MANY Americans now HATE Democracy - and specifically so many Democrats?

You don't seem have a problem ranting. Actually, I love democracy because my guy won the election and yours didn't. You on the other hand just look like a sore loser who didn't get his way.

 

[Bob N]

That's exactly what she's trying to suggest. She's completely anti-gun. This isn't her first thread on the subject.

She's overly emotional about a tragedy and wants to jump to inane "fixes". She needs the government as her parent, and wants to force that on everyone else.

Sir: I must say that I don't know about the history of Moot or yourself. Sorry. :newhere: However, what are your thoughts on the subject of this thread concerning complete compliance of states sharing important information during a waiting period of an incomplete transaction of guns?

Also, seeing that reputable gun dealers comply to a background check, why can't gun shows follow the same compliance?

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Sir: I must say that I don't know about the history of Moot or yourself. Sorry. :newhere: However, what are your thoughts on the subject of this thread concerning complete compliance of states sharing important information during a waiting period of an incomplete transaction of guns?

Also, seeing that reputable gun dealers comply to a background check, why can't gun shows follow the same compliance?

She's on a rampage to try to pin the responsibility for this heinous crime on everybody but Adam Lanza. She blames his mother for owning guns, the NRA for protecting gun rights, and the government for letting us have guns. She uses sensationalism to try to further her statist agenda.

Gun shows are comprised of legal and licensed fire arm salesmen. If they are required by law to do a background check, they do.

If the states can't pull their heads out of their asses long enough to work together to share information on background checks, I don't see how that has anything to do with the populace's right to bear firearms.

 

[H. Lee White]

Also, seeing that reputable gun dealers comply to a background check, why can't gun shows follow the same compliance?

They do, else they violate the law.

 

[Moot]

It is not illegal for someone who is simply described as "mentally ill" to buy guns.
Thus, your entire point is, well, moot.

No, if you had read the article I posted it said that the Virgina Tech killer was red flagged as mentally ill and dangerous, but because of the loophole that the NRA lobbied to put in the 2007 bill, he was allowed to buy a gun and go on a rampage.....see....

"...While the database flaws do not appear to have been a factor in the Newtown, Conn., school massacre, they have been linked to other attacks, including the Virginia Tech mass murder in 2007. In that case, a Virginia state judge had declared the gunman mentally ill, but the record of that proceeding was not submitted to the F.B.I. He was able to pass a background check and buy the weapons he used to kill 32 people and wound 17 others....<snip>

And then after the Virginia Tech Massacre, the NRA obstructed another bill that would have fixed that loophole that allowed the mentally ill to get a gun.....see...

"...After the Virginia Tech shooting, Congress enacted a law designed to improve the background check system, including directing federal agencies to share relevant data with the F.B.I. and setting up a special grant program to encourage states to share more information with the federal government.But only states that also set up a system [relief for disabilities] for people to petition to get their gun purchasing rights restored were eligible under the law — a key concession to the National Rifle Association — which proved to be an extra hurdle many states have not yet overcome.....<snip>

There now, that wasn't so hard to read was it?

 

[H. Lee White]

No, if you had read the article I posted it said that the Virgina Tech killer was red flagged as mentally ill and dangerous...

On their face face, neither of these are sufficient to stop someone from buying a gun.
Do you even know the legal condition(s) necessary to deny someone the purchase of a firearm?