A National Rifle Association executive in Texas has come under fire for suggesting that a South Carolina lawmaker and pastor slain with eight members of his congregation bears some of the blame for his opposition to permitting concealed handguns in church.
In an online thread about Wednesday night's mass shooting at the Emanuel African Methodist Church in Charleston, Cotton said that one of the nine people slain, church pastor and Democratic state Senator Clementa Pinckney, had voted against legislation in 2011 that would have allowed concealed possession of handguns in restaurants, day-care centers and churches....
"Eight of his church members who might be alive if he had expressly allowed members to carry handguns in church are dead," Cotton wrote.
NRA executive suggests slain Charleston pastor to blame for gun deaths | Reuters
Cotton might be "insensitive" and a "monster," but he's got a point: Another mass shooting in a "gun free zone."
Cotton might be "insensitive" and a "monster," but he's got a point: Another mass shooting in a "gun free zone."
No. There is no-one to blame for this other than the one pulling the trigger, and to a somewhat lesser extent those who knew and failed to stop him, those who taught him to hate, and those who believe the same things he does. There is no way no know, there is no reason to believe that any of those 9 people would have been carrying or if one of them was that it would have made a difference.
You fail to mention that the South Carolina legislature failed to pass a law allowing concealed carry in churches and other public places.
As to be expected from someone defending this NRA board member .
If the good reverend had given his consent to members to carry concealed weopons,
it's possible someone would have been armed other the Mr. Roof.
If the good reverend had given his consent to members to carry concealed weopons, it's possible someone would have been armed other the Mr. Roof. Not defending the NRA board member personally, just his logic, which is sound.They just can't acknowledge that people who have the ability to defend themselves stand a better chance of not getting shot than those who don't. Seems like common sense, but then maybe I expect too much from liberals.The fact that he's right and touched a nerve is why his comments are getting such a visceral reaction from the anti-gun crowd.
The Reverend would have been breaking the state of South Carolina law by giving consent to carry concealed weapons.
South Carolina forbids residents with concealed-carry permits to bring their weapons into a church or “other established religious sanctuary” without “express permission” from a church official or other authority affiliated with the institution.
South Carolina Has Permissive Gun Laws. Here's Why That Won't Change.
He's getting negative feedback from the whole world because his comments are totally wrong.
That is incorrect:
If the good reverend had given his consent to members to carry concealed weopons, it's possible someone would have been armed other the Mr. Roof. Not defending the NRA board member personally, just his logic, which is sound. The fact that he's right and touched a nerve is why his comments are getting such a visceral reaction from the anti-gun crowd. They just can't acknowledge that people who have the ability to defend themselves stand a better chance of not getting shot than those who don't. Seems like common sense, but then maybe I expect too much from liberals.
Neither side should use this for politics. 9 innocent people lost their lives in a vile and vicious attack by a deranged little piece of crap looking to cause racial violence. The pastor here is not to blame, the congregation certainly not, not society, and not the gun. Rather, the blame lies solely on one sick little **** and anyone who knew what he was planning and remained silent.The NRA guy should do the same thing anti-gun people should do at a time like this. Enjoy a nice tall glass of shut the **** up.
The NRA stands in opposition to jackasses, morons, and douchebags that seize upon every possible opportunity to attempt to force new legislation and laws in the furtherance of their agenda. They protect the Constitutional freedoms of millions of Americans. If there wasnt the steady drumbeat of antigun rhetoric, the NRA would be relatively silent while promoting gun safety course and responsible gun ownership. When ****heads legislatively attack, they respond.The NRA is the most vile and disgusting organization in this country. Who in the hell wants to carry a gun to worship in church and how could anyone suggest that. They use every tragic event to promote their insane ideology. This group appeals to militia idiots and skin heads.
I completely agree.Neither side should use this for politics. 9 innocent people lost their lives in a vile and vicious attack by a deranged little piece of crap looking to cause racial violence. The pastor here is not to blame, the congregation certainly not, not society, and not the gun. Rather, the blame lies solely on one sick little **** and anyone who knew what he was planning and remained silent.
What if some of the victims were armed but couldn't respond quick enough? What if the killer took the victims gun after he ran out of bullets and used it to kill more victims? What if the shooter didn't have access to a gun? We could do 'what if's all day long.If the good reverend had given his consent to members to carry concealed weopons, it's possible someone would have been armed other the Mr. Roof. Not defending the NRA board member personally, just his logic, which is sound. The fact that he's right and touched a nerve is why his comments are getting such a visceral reaction from the anti-gun crowd. They just can't acknowledge that people who have the ability to defend themselves stand a better chance of not getting shot than those who don't. Seems like common sense, but then maybe I expect too much from liberals.
Anyone with prior knowledge of the shooter's intent that didn't come forward should be charged as an accomplice. This was a disgusting act portrayed by a complete coward. These folks were good church going people who accepted all who came, the shooter exploited that, and unfortunately that was a play that worked for the dirtbag. I am not going to mince words, hell will be very eventful for the POS.The NRA board member doesn't seem to understand the notion of responsibility. The blame on this matter is solely on the shooter. The NRA Board member is just as ignorant and void of logic as those who would blame guns and gun laws for what happened. He's wrong and not only doesn't seem to understand the concept of responsibility, but would undoubtedly show his hypocrisy if the opposing argument was presented. This would seem to be common sense, but maybe I expect too much from conservatives.
Cotton might be "insensitive" and a "monster," but he's got a point: Another mass shooting in a "gun free zone."
Anyone with prior knowledge of the shooter's intent that didn't come forward should be charged as an accomplice. This was a disgusting act portrayed by a complete coward. These folks were good church going people who accepted all who came, the shooter exploited that, and unfortunately that was a play that worked for the dirtbag. I am not going to mince words, hell will be very eventful for the POS.
True, I will say this. If I thought for half a second that someone I knew was going to commit a horrible act, I would absolutely alert the authorities. Worst case they get help and no innocents are harmed, I don't care if it's a friend or a blood relative, this is a responsibility too great to chance.I would agree. If someone knew he was going to do this and said nothing, they have some minor responsibility in the act, but one never really does know what someone will do.
I would guess this NRA executive has been pulled into a back room and read the riot act. Of the pro-2A groups they are the one I least respect but they still advocate responsible exercise. What this guy stated is beyond belief and honestly goes completely against the founding principles of the NRA, he is likely done for TBH. Anyone who is honestly pro-2A advocates responsible ownership and bearing. This shooting was abhorrent, disgusting, and no one should take anything from it but sorrow. This shooter is probably the one I most hate and that is saying something, while I am 100% on the side of legal carry, I advocate responsible use, and with that I also advocate ethical use of force, pretty much meaning only in defense, never to murder, and absolutely never using violence against the innocent.I would think that the NRA should be completely condemning the shooter in this case. He is exactly what the NRA is against... an irresponsible and criminal gun user.
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