NPR forced to issue apology to Trump Jr.

[Taylor]

So good, reliable, reputable news outlets never make mistakes? Which news organization in the history of the world has lived up to this standard 100% of the time?

No, of course they make mistakes. ABC made one not too long ago and the 24-year veteran reporter responsible is no longer working for them.

 

[JasperL]

Bill Clinton, upon announcing a federal budget surplus, was asked if the government would give it back to the taxpayers. He replied that tax payers might not spend it properly. So we can conclude that some in government don't trust us to spend our money in the ways they see as proper. It's much the same for many in government, and those that support big government, with our opinions. We just might hold improper opinions if left to our own devices. All I can say is thank goodness we have someone to tell us how to spend our money, and what we should think. Where would we be without them? Don't you just love an obtrusive government? I know I do.

Sounds made up. Do you have a cite for that?

 

[Buzz62]

That phony story of Uranium 1 has been de-bunked....Fake News...Move on

Ya know...I often find that when a story or issue needs "debunking", its usually because there's some rather painful truth to it, that someone doesn't want to get out.

 

[JasperL]

No, of course they make mistakes. ABC made one not too long ago and the 24-year veteran reporter responsible is no longer working for them.

That example is arguing that good reporters don't in fact make mistakes, because Ross was fired. At any rate, I don't blame journalists for errors, because I make a lot of them in my job, as does everyone. What separates the good from the bad are people in general (and journalists are no different than accountants or whatever you do for a living) who own up to them and try to make them right. A correction within hours is evidence of good faith on their part.

 

[Taylor]

That example is arguing that good reporters don't in fact make mistakes, because Ross was fired. At any rate, I don't blame journalists for errors, because I make a lot of them in my job, as does everyone. What separates the good from the bad are people in general (and journalists are no different than accountants or whatever you do for a living) who own up to them and try to make them right. A correction within hours is evidence of good faith on their part.

That example is arguing that when mistakes like this occur, reliability and accuracy should be questioned. Kudos to ABC for not buying into this "oh well, mistakes happen. No biggie" attitude.

 

[poweRob]

Fox news almost never retracts its stories yet whoops and hollers like it's some great victory when the 'other side' does its journalistic duty and corrects itself.

Let's see Fox line up every damn birther they ever had on and issue a retraction and an apology.

It's a massive Irony, when right-wing outlets who never admit they are wrong and always peddle in lies and half-truths act like it's a big moral win for them when the opposition plays by the rules.

And in any case isn't Don Jr still lying about the purpose of the Trump Tower meeting? When the Mueller investigation establishes (as if it isn't painfully obvious already) that the purpose was to gather dirt on the opposition stolen from DNC servers, Fox's yapping heads will barely be able to scream 'fake new' through all the yoke streaming down their faces.

Still waiting for Tucker Carlson to retract his lie that protestors "cracked" his door. Fortunately, I'm not holding my breath.

 

[JasperL]

That example is arguing that when mistakes like this occur, reliability and accuracy should be questioned. Kudos to ABC for not buying into this "oh well, mistakes happen. No biggie" attitude.

That wasn't NPRs approach. They corrected it within hours, and put the correction at the top of the article.

Oh, well, there hasn't been a media outlet or journalist who ever lived who didn't make mistakes from time to time, same as whatever you do for a living, and everyone who has ever done your job including you.

 

[Taylor]

That wasn't NPRs approach.

Yeah, they didn't fire anybody. Maybe something happened behind the scenes. I doubt they hold the same flippant attitude that a lot of people in this thread seem to.

 

[bubbabgone]

Yes, that's the easy way, but trying to understand the fundamentals is always more interesting to me.

Well then you can attribute all behavior to survival instinct.
That brings to mind the saying "If everything is important, then nothing is".

 

[Divine_Wind]

Well then you can attribute all behavior to survival instinct.
That brings to mind the saying "If everything is important, then nothing is".

Sorry, no. Why the Black and White attitude? Do you not know that humans are more than just biochemical robots like the atheists believe?

 

[bubbabgone]

What your support of the Whatever One scandal demonstrates is how dangerous it is that you follow a conspiracy theory site. Meanwhile, you have the gall to attack a legitimate news outlet that issues a correction within five hours of publishing the story, resulting in everybody else no longer repeating the claim, which is precisely the impact that correcting a false story is supposed to have.

You take strength from your lack of standards while condemning everybody else for having them.

What's your standard?
My standard is to be prepared to support a claim before making it.
It's a good practice.
So far you have 2 of those outstanding.
See #109 & #118

 

[bubbabgone]

Sorry, no. Why the Black and White attitude? Do you not know that humans are more than just biochemical robots like the atheists believe?

Because what I see as the most obvious and dominant motivation today is a drive for power ... either to retain it or to regain it after it was lost.
I don't see professional politics in any other way.

 

[Waddy]

You're more than likely correct.
Humans...is it any wonder aliens from other planets don't come and visit?

Ahhhhh, but aliens do visit here. My theory is that earth is the insane asylum for the galaxy. A quiet place on the fringe of the galaxy. They aren't picking people up....... they are dropping off the crazies.

 

[Divine_Wind]

Because what I see as the most obvious and dominant motivation today is a drive for power ... either to retain it or to regain it after it was lost.
I don't see professional politics in any other way.

While I tend to agree with you about drives, that doesn't explain your post nor answer my question about it:

Well then you can attribute all behavior to survival instinct.
That brings to mind the saying "If everything is important, then nothing is".

 

[polgara]

Ahhhhh, but aliens do visit here. My theory is that earth is the insane asylum for the galaxy. A quiet place on the fringe of the galaxy. They aren't picking people up....... they are dropping off the crazies.

Greetings, Waddy. :2wave:

It's the most logical explanation I've ever heard! :lamo Who am I to say you're wrong?

 

[bubbabgone]

While I tend to agree with you about drives, that doesn't explain your post nor answer my question about it:

Right.
You seemed to be saying that everything anyone does is because of the instinct to survive then I can't agree.
Humans behave badly or otherwise for a variety of reasons and society has to acknowledge that to survive.
Imagine if Laws were written to accommodate survival instinct as a motivation for criminal activity.
If everything can be excused because of the instinct to survive then nothing would be illegal.

 

[humbolt]

Sounds made up. Do you have a cite for that?

In a post-State of the Union speech in Buffalo, NY on January 20, 1999, Bill Clinton was asked why not a tax cut if we have a surplus. Clinton's response:
"We could give it all back to you and hope you spend it right... But ... if you don't spend it right, here's what's going to happen. In 2013 -- that's just 14 years away -- taxes people pay on their payroll for Social Security will no longer cover the monthly checks... I want every parent here to look at the young people here, and ask yourself, 'Do you really want to run the risk of squandering this surplus?' "
Source: Washington Times, January 21, 1999

 

[Divine_Wind]

Right.
You seemed to be saying that everything anyone does is because of the instinct to survive then I can't agree.
Humans behave badly or otherwise for a variety of reasons and society has to acknowledge that to survive.
Imagine if Laws were written to accommodate survival instinct as a motivation for criminal activity.
If everything can be excused because of the instinct to survive then nothing would be illegal.

Not quite and I apologize if I wasn't clear enough.

People are motivated to control their environment, but how they do it is up to them. Some are not socially acceptable such as murder, rape and drug dealing. Others are socially acceptable and encouraged such as doing well in school, going to college, a trade school or joining the military. All are forms of people seeing to control their environment by improving their personal circumstances.

 

[bubbabgone]

Not quite and I apologize if I wasn't clear enough.

People are motivated to control their environment, but how they do it is up to them. Some are not socially acceptable such as murder, rape and drug dealing. Others are socially acceptable and encouraged such as doing well in school, going to college, a trade school or joining the military. All are forms of people seeing to control their environment by improving their personal circumstances.

That's pretty much a given.
The problem is when someone decides that in order to improve their "personal circumstances" they need to "control your environment".
And I'm not talking only about "murder, rape and drug dealing".

 

[JasperL]

In a post-State of the Union speech in Buffalo, NY on January 20, 1999, Bill Clinton was asked why not a tax cut if we have a surplus. Clinton's response:
"We could give it all back to you and hope you spend it right... But ... if you don't spend it right, here's what's going to happen. In 2013 -- that's just 14 years away -- taxes people pay on their payroll for Social Security will no longer cover the monthly checks... I want every parent here to look at the young people here, and ask yourself, 'Do you really want to run the risk of squandering this surplus?' "
Source: Washington Times, January 21, 1999

That is like I thought a completely misleading quote. The full context is here if anyone is interested. Basically, a Democrat is talking like a fiscal conservative, and isn't promising to give huge tax cuts, then blow up spending, turning a 'surplus' into a $trillion deficit handed off, like Bush II did, which is bad for Republicans who only ever gave a damn about tax cuts.

 

[Divine_Wind]

...The problem is when someone decides that in order to improve their "personal circumstances" they need to "control your environment". ...

Agreed. Be it chopping down someone elses tree or using eminent domain to take away one's ranch, home or apartment.

 

[bubbabgone]

That is like I thought a completely misleading quote. The full context is here if anyone is interested. Basically, a Democrat is talking like a fiscal conservative, and isn't promising to give huge tax cuts, then blow up spending, turning a 'surplus' into a $trillion deficit handed off, like Bush II did, which is bad for Republicans who only ever gave a damn about tax cuts.

The context doesn't change the attitude of taking in order to spend.

 

[JasperL]

The context doesn't change the attitude of taking in order to spend.

Well, yes, we have taxes in this country, and they're "taken in order to spend." The GOP loves to spend. How do we fund that spending without taxes? What is the correct attitude? Cut taxes, increase spending, blow up the deficit, and blame the deficits on something or someone else? That's been the GOP "attitude" since at least Reagan.

 

[humbolt]

That is like I thought a completely misleading quote. The full context is here if anyone is interested. Basically, a Democrat is talking like a fiscal conservative, and isn't promising to give huge tax cuts, then blow up spending, turning a 'surplus' into a $trillion deficit handed off, like Bush II did, which is bad for Republicans who only ever gave a damn about tax cuts.

The quote I offered was accurate, and doesn't require any "context". The above you offered is not, and illustrates the belief by some on the left, including you apparently, that the government can and should control how private citizens spend their own money.

 

[tres borrachos]

NPR guilty of fake news. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.

Of course you can post a ton of links showing us how this is a common occurrence with NPR, hence your lack of surprise.