'Nothing will stop me...' CDC guidelines not being respected

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Yes.



I know the drill, I hear it from all my friends andd family.



Honestly, no.

I sincerely wish you all the best, enjoy the Holidays.

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Will you refuse treatment for yourself and family should these safeguards fail as it is not in compliance with teh CDC?

Honestly yes, because based on what I am reading IN the current CDC guidelines, it sounds like we're pretty close to the bottom of the list.
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Community levels of COVID-19 – High or increasing levels of COVID-19 cases in the gathering location, as well as in the areas where attendees are coming from, increase the risk of infection and spread among attendees.

--Santa Clarita's level is low compared to other parts of the county.
Regardless, they are not interacting with the community and haven't for MONTHS.
Our level here in Whittier is high but again, WE are not interacting with the community and haven't for MONTHS.
We do not go anywhere. We don't even go grocery shopping, we use Instacart (which sucks, by the way!)

Exposure during travel – Airports, bus stations, train stations, public transport, gas stations, and rest stops are all places travelers can be exposed to the virus in the air and on surfaces.

We're driving in our car, no planes, trains, buses or rest stops, 30 miles from Whittier to Santa Clarita.

Location of the gathering – Indoor gatherings, especially those with poor ventilation (for example, small enclosed spaces with no outside air), pose more risk than outdoor gatherings.

We will be eating outside, and wearing masks at all other times, and practicing social distancing.

Duration of the gathering

Likely no more than an hour or hour and a half.
And as said before, it was going to be eight people, now it's six.
And we may still decide to not go, now that Courtney and her husband have begged off, we may do so as well.

 

[noonereal]

It must be really sad to live like this.

It is actually rather rewarding and gratifying to know that you are disciplined enough to tailor your actions to science and societies betterment when so many others lack the self disciple and gravity to do the same.

I will be enjoying Christmas with my family....

Arrogant ignorance is a wonderful trait to share with family on the holidays!

You perceive weakness in strength, fear in vigilance.

Your self image is distorted by by you flawed vision.

Peace

 

[noonereal]

Honestly yes, because based on what I am reading IN the current CDC guidelines, it sounds like we're pretty close to the bottom of the list.
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Community levels of COVID-19 – High or increasing levels of COVID-19 cases in the gathering location, as well as in the areas where attendees are coming from, increase the risk of infection and spread among attendees.

--Santa Clarita's level is low compared to other parts of the county.
Regardless, they are not interacting with the community and haven't for MONTHS.
Our level here in Whittier is high but again, WE are not interacting with the community and haven't for MONTHS.
We do not go anywhere. We don't even go grocery shopping, we use Instacart (which sucks, by the way!)

Exposure during travel – Airports, bus stations, train stations, public transport, gas stations, and rest stops are all places travelers can be exposed to the virus in the air and on surfaces.

We're driving in our car, no planes, trains, buses or rest stops, 30 miles from Whittier to Santa Clarita.

Location of the gathering – Indoor gatherings, especially those with poor ventilation (for example, small enclosed spaces with no outside air), pose more risk than outdoor gatherings.

We will be eating outside, and wearing masks at all other times, and practicing social distancing.

Duration of the gathering

Likely no more than an hour or hour and a half.
And as said before, it was going to be eight people, now it's six.
And we may still decide to not go, now that Courtney and her husband have begged off, we may do so as well.

You require no absolution from me.

Enjoy your holiday.

Do realize, 74% of all Covid spread is from such thoughtful, safe seeming, small gatherings of family and friends.

Peace

 

[Lursa]

I wonder how many of these restaurant and bar owners wind up having to get real jobs when they go out of business

Do you mean like the restaurant and bar owners that made the sacrifice and did so, at least temporarily?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

You require no absolution from me.

Enjoy your holiday.

Do realize, 74% of all Covid spread is from such thoughtful, safe seeming, small gatherings of family and friends.

Peace

I wasn't asking for any, we've been going back and forth on this for weeks.

 

[less right]

Societal mores are generally laws.

Sadly, there is no enforceable eidetic to prevent the selfish dolt from celebrating Christmas with people outside of their immediate household. (really pisses me off)

Will you then refuse medical treatment for you and those you gather with should you contract the virus?

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We had a small funeral here last week. 20 in attendance. All family. All believing they were healthy and without threat to one another.
10 are now hospitalized.

Yes, I know, it's always the other guy. "Our" family is always more responsible and aware so we can do these things.

God Bless.

Did you miss the part about me foregoing Christmas gatherings this covid season? And you telling me my age or risk factors didn't make a difference in that decision?

 

[JasperL]

So you too will not be in CDC compliance.

None the less, I wish you a Happy Holiday and peace

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That said, do you feel if anyone in your little group becomes Covid positive because of this gathering that you should be refused medical treatment?

I'm not sure what the CDC guidelines are, and don't really care. We are doing what we can, and being very cautious. We've been in regular physical contact with mom and her boyfriend for the duration, for practical and family reasons, with masks inside, and socially distancing. That won't change for Christmas. She's elderly and my wife and I assist her in lots of ways. I take care of her finances and some errands, etc. and so normally we see each other about twice a month. She also is our dog sitter when we cannot oversee new puppies, because our normal service shut down for COVID. That's life and REALITY interfering with an ideal safety strategy.

So this gathering is nothing unusual, and we're seeing no one we haven't been in regular contact all year - just the two of them - no one else. When she did a big Thanksgiving that we declined, we effectively let them quarantine for more than two weeks before contact.

If that's outside CDC guidelines, that's a shame but we are doing what we can, and have since March.

And, no, I don't think we should be refused treatment. Or even someone attending a 40 person gathering. I'm not into a death penalty for being stupid/incautious.

 

[less right]

Try harder, I'm sure you will have no trouble finding folks who plan to visit large groups with no precautions, because they
"refuse to live like fear filled sheep in this plandemic" or something like that.

"...but I'll always have the memory of spending Grandma's last Christmas playing twister with the whole family. She passed a month later from the covid. Bad break Grandma! We miss you but we didn't miss Christmas did we?"

 

[JasperL]

I'm more amazed at the stupid (mostly) restaurants and bars that they show on the news, refusing to close (inside) and then getting fined or closed. Owners stand defiantly being interviewed one day, the next...buh bye.

Icing on the cake is the local law officials that stand by them, stating they wont enforce the regulations. Some end up on FaceBook, jobless (or recalled), complaining about the Const.

We took the dogs downtown last night to socialize one puppy (she's about 11 weeks old, and it's a busy area, lots of cars, people and dogs) and to see the Christmas lights. Lots of fun, dogs did great except we have a beagle mix and the SMELLS!! overwhelmed him. I guess there are hundreds of dog smells per post.... Anyway, we ate outside on a deserted deck - one other family, 20 feet or more away. Anyway I went inside to wash my hands, and was shocked at the number of people jammed together, and how no one inside gave a damn. It was like this time a year ago, but the bar was closed (by law). Nothing else different. Tables close enough that chairs were back to back no more than 2 feet apart, barely enough room to walk through. Groups of 4 or 6, no masks anywhere...

Outside it was fine. We all kept apart and the square wasn't crowded, and 90% or more wore masks, and those who didn't we could avoid entirely and plenty of room for 6 foot or 10 or 20 foot distances. But we have an outbreak here, and I'm sure these restaurants are a MAJOR source.

The good thing is downtown is mostly a young person's place. We were on the older side in our 50s, some seniors but not many, mostly 20s-40s, quite a few children, and they have low risks of bad illnesses. But of course they interact with seniors.... Anyway, there's no mystery why my area has seen cases explode - no one gives a damn anymore, including the city, the businesses and the customers. It was shocking to me. We eat out fairly often but always outside, always where the tables are far apart. I had no idea how lax the standards were in the heart of downtown.

 

[noonereal]

We took the dogs downtown last night to socialize one puppy (she's about 11 weeks old, and it's a busy area, lots of cars, people and dogs) and to see the Christmas lights. Lots of fun, dogs did great except we have a beagle mix and the SMELLS!! overwhelmed him. I guess there are hundreds of dog smells per post.... Anyway, we ate outside on a deserted deck - one other family, 20 feet or more away. Anyway I went inside to wash my hands, and was shocked at the number of people jammed together, and how no one inside gave a damn. It was like this time a year ago, but the bar was closed (by law). Nothing else different. Tables close enough that chairs were back to back no more than 2 feet apart, barely enough room to walk through. Groups of 4 or 6, no masks anywhere...

Outside it was fine. We all kept apart and the square wasn't crowded, and 90% or more wore masks, and those who didn't we could avoid entirely and plenty of room for 6 foot or 10 or 20 foot distances. But we have an outbreak here, and I'm sure these restaurants are a MAJOR source.

The good thing is downtown is mostly a young person's place. We were on the older side in our 50s, some seniors but not many, mostly 20s-40s, quite a few children, and they have low risks of bad illnesses. But of course they interact with seniors.... Anyway, there's no mystery why my area has seen cases explode - no one gives a damn anymore, including the city, the businesses and the customers. It was shocking to me. We eat out fairly often but always outside, always where the tables are far apart. I had no idea how lax the standards were in the heart of downtown.

Thanks for the sad insight.

Yes, most cases are being registered by 30-45 year olds. Sadly, they are bring it back to mom and dad and this is why hospitalizations and deaths are soring.

 

[Questerr]

I'll be seeing my family this Christmas. I feel sorry for those who are so fearful that they'll be spending Christmas alone.

If you gave Covid to one of your relatives and then they died, would you feel the same way?

 

[Questerr]

It must be really sad to live like this.

I will be enjoying Christmas with my family. I hope that one day, you're able to overcome your fear and do the same.

Clearly you also don’t wear your seatbelt, drive at maximum speed every where you go, and ignore street signs too right? Don’t want to be living in fear.

 

[AmNat]

If you gave Covid to one of your relatives and then they died, would you feel the same way?

My views on the legality and morality of driving cars would not be affected if one of my relatives died in a car crash.

I generally find that it’s best not to morbidly obsess over minor risks. It’s not healthy.

 

[Questerr]

My views on the legality and morality of driving cars would not be affected if one of my relatives died in a car crash.

I generally find that it’s best not to morbidly obsess over minor risks. It’s not healthy.

Would your views in the legality and morality of driving cars be affected if one of your relatives died due to you not using common sense precautions while driving?

 

[AmNat]

Would your views in the legality and morality of driving cars be affected if one of your relatives died due to you not using common sense precautions while driving?

Sure, but “not driving” isn’t a “common sense precaution while driving”.

 

[Questerr]

Sure, but “not driving” isn’t a “common sense precaution while driving”.

But a common sense precaution while driving would be for instance following traffic signs and lights. Would your views on the legality and morality of driving cars be affected if you blew through a red light at 3 times the posted speed limit and one of your loved ones died due a collision in the intersection?

 

[AmNat]

But a common sense precaution while driving would be for instance following traffic signs and lights. Would your views on the legality and morality of driving cars be affected if you blew through a red light at 3 times the posted speed limit and one of your loved ones died due a collision in the intersection?

I drove at or slightly above the posted speed limit on the way here. Didn’t run any red lights either.

 

[Lovebug]

'Nothing will stop me...' some opt to keep holiday travel plans, despite official warnings

SAN ANTONIO – When it comes to traveling during this holiday season, San Antonio health leaders are using one simple response – no. "My simple answer is no, no it’s not safe, please don't," Interim Metro Health Director Dr. Colleen Bridger said earlier this week. Caption: (SBG San Antonio)...

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"It's not safe" are the words of health officials across the country and yet far too many Americans will not compromise on this year's Christmas celebration. Instead they will go forward with traditions instead of limiting the celebration to virtual and staying within the household.

How about you?

Will you be celebrating strictly with your household members, will you just be with close family or will you do the traditional large family or friend gathering?

Will you be traveling?

We will not travel, because we want everyone to have many more Christmases.

 

[Questerr]

I drove at or slightly above the posted speed limit on the way here. Didn’t run any red lights either.

Why? You shouldn’t live your life in fear right? The chances of you getting in a lethal accident are very small.

 

[Questerr]

I drove at or slightly above the posted speed limit on the way here. Didn’t run any red lights either.

Why didn’t you answer the question? Would killing a loved one due to your own negligence while driving affect your views of the legality and morality of how you drive?

 

[AmNat]

Why? You shouldn’t live your life in fear right? The chances of you getting in a lethal accident are very small.

Do you have a point?

 

[Questerr]

Do you have a point?

Yes. You claim you don’t want to live in fear, but yet you live in fear. Is it hypocrisy or cognitive dissonance?

 

[AmNat]

Yes. You claim you don’t want to live in fear, but yet you live in fear. Is it hypocrisy or cognitive dissonance?

You caught me. I stop at red lights but spend time with my family. Big hypocrite I am.

 

[Questerr]

You caught me. I stop at red lights but spend time with my family. Big hypocrite I am.

So you are willing to “live in fear” when it comes to common sense precautions while driving, but you won’t take common sense precautions when it comes to a deadly pandemic?

Hypocrisy or cognitive dissonance? Maybe sociopathy?

 

[AmNat]

So you are willing to “live in fear” when it comes to common sense precautions while driving, but you won’t take common sense precautions when it comes to a deadly pandemic?

Hypocrisy or cognitive dissonance? Maybe sociopathy?

I trust my common sense more than your sophistry.