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As for the first one, I don't see a crime:
"Hi, I'm trying to adopt out my three year old son. I'm not in a good place in my life and don't feel like I can care for him properly, but I don't know where to start. If you or know anyone who is interested in caring for him please let me know. I'm a single mom and can't do this. Thanks, Desperate."
What crime? As one person commented, she was trying to find her son a good home acknowledging she couldn't do it - and at least didn't kill her son like some women do. The second one is a crime, but again she didn't hurt the children to get rid of them.
"A Texas woman has been arrested after trying to use Craigslist to dump off her unwanted 3-year-old son. Stephanie Redus, 29, told police she'd been suffering from depression and anxiety in the days before posting the ad, but she couldn't take medication because she's pregnant with another child."
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"Earlier this year, 22-year-old Oklahoma mom Misty Van Horn attempted to sell her kids via a Facebook auction. The price tag for her 10-month-old girl was $1,000, but for $4,000 she'd also toss her 2-year-old into the deal. Her goal was apparently to raise enough money to bail her boyfriend out of jail."
The Daily Dot - Mom tries to get rid of 3-year-old son on Craigslist
Oh, but this is so much better than having an early term abortion.... < / sarcasm>
Yes, it is. You don't know what the future holds for these children. Abortion extinguishes any future a child might have.
Sometimes a child is born crippled or difficent in such a way that makes life unlivable.
Oh, is that what we're talking about? The kids cited in the OP were defective? Or are you saying that abortion is justified if the fetus is "born crippled" or "difficent"?
As for the first one, I don't see a crime:
"Hi, I'm trying to adopt out my three year old son. I'm not in a good place in my life and don't feel like I can care for him properly, but I don't know where to start. If you or know anyone who is interested in caring for him please let me know. I'm a single mom and can't do this. Thanks, Desperate."
What crime? As one person commented, she was trying to find her son a good home acknowledging she couldn't do it - and at least didn't kill her son like some women do. The second one is a crime, but again she didn't hurt the children to get rid of them.
What does this have to do with the OP, which is about two cases of moms trying to dump their kids and how an early abortion would have been better?
If a mother is going to abandon her child then why did she go through all the trouble of having a child in the first place?
Yes, it is. You don't know what the future holds for these children. Abortion extinguishes any future a child might have.
If a mother is going to abandon her child then why did she go through all the trouble of having a child in the first place?
I don't know the laws, but I do know it's not good for children to be shuffled around like livestock. To have a child for 3 years then give it up for adoption is hard on the child.
"A Texas woman has been arrested after trying to use Craigslist to dump off her unwanted 3-year-old son. Stephanie Redus, 29, told police she'd been suffering from depression and anxiety in the days before posting the ad, but she couldn't take medication because she's pregnant with another child."
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"Earlier this year, 22-year-old Oklahoma mom Misty Van Horn attempted to sell her kids via a Facebook auction. The price tag for her 10-month-old girl was $1,000, but for $4,000 she'd also toss her 2-year-old into the deal. Her goal was apparently to raise enough money to bail her boyfriend out of jail."
The Daily Dot - Mom tries to get rid of 3-year-old son on Craigslist
Oh, but this is so much better than having an early term abortion.... < / sarcasm>
Yes, it is. You don't know what the future holds for these children. Abortion extinguishes any future a child might have.
Death is hard in them too.
So, in your mind, the irresponsible behaviour of these two women is grounds for suggesting that their childrens' lives are valueless and should have been terminated before they drew their first breathes, even though there is no suggestion that these three children are in any way responsible for the actions of their mothers?
Gee, pardon me for not agreeing - I'm more inclined to believe that the life of an adult woman who would hold this view is far less of value than the lives of any or all of these three children.
You should be ashamed to express such views - I'm ashamed for you.
So, in your mind, the irresponsible behaviour of these two women is grounds for suggesting that their childrens' lives are valueless and should have been terminated before they drew their first breathes, even though there is no suggestion that these three children are in any way responsible for the actions of their mothers?
Gee, pardon me for not agreeing - I'm more inclined to believe that the life of an adult woman who would hold this view is far less of value than the lives of any or all of these three children.
You should be ashamed to express such views - I'm ashamed for you.
I don't think thats what he has implied at all.
What's implied is that having children should be a thought through process as opposed to just not liking condoms. If I were running the world (I'm not yet) you would need a permit to have a child. You would have to pony up some money for that child's social savings account (or whatever you want to call it). You would get counseling and a financial analysis. Then, if appropriate, you could have a child.
Society seems to view children as a gift from god. But god doesn't finance your children. They cost a fortune. They get sick. They **** in their pants. They have to be educated and disciplined. People having children should know and then embrace the responsibilities.
I had the good fortune to be born to parents who wanted me and planned for me (and my sister 5 years later). Everybody should be born into the same circumstances. My Father was a Capitan in the US Army at the time of my birth. Didn't pay well back then but it was a steady job at least.
I appreciate your comments, but sorry, in the OP she said that either the women or the children or the world or all three would be better off if the three children had been aborted rather than have the mothers not want them or try to sell them. That says to me that she considers a child that is not wanted by his/her mother is valueless and better if he/she didn't exist. To me, that's a pretty sick view of the world and children and indicative of the me-now mentality of many people in today's society. Having children is a natural impulse but it's also a sacrafice - you give up much of your life to secure and promote the life of your child. Bout time irresponsible people started to realize this and not take it out on innocent children.
That's the key part I bolded below.
These children have a long, hard road ahead. Both they and their society would have been better off if they were unborn. My section of the rant was that children should be by formal permit, not by some impulse of the genitalia.
In my vision, abortion would be exceedingly rare. At first blush, you might think it would increase since having a child without a permit would have consequences that would encourage people not to generate pregnancies i the first place.
I'm respectfully aware that you value "human life" as something sacred. I don't share your view in all ways and at all times. Neither of us is "right", we just have differing opinions.
But I think we may be closer in agreement that once born, children are supposed to be a responsibility and responsibilities that visible should be allowed for. At present, nobody seems to understand this and society rewards those who make poor choices.
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