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North Carolina Lawmakers leave 'bathroom bill' in place

VanceMack said:
Huh. Well...I guess then that it IS possible the whole gay marriage thing and abortion question could resurface. I was kinda hoping we were done with all that.
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It will, but I honestly have a few reservations. I am OK with gay marriage, and I am OK with transgendered people using the bathroom they identify with, but I am not OK with these laws applying to minors. Legally, minors are not given the capacity to make these kinds of decisions for themselves until they reach the age of consent. What that age is can be debatable, but IMHO, the mind of a 12 year old has not fully developed. So applying these laws to them is ridiculous. I am not OK with lawmakers deciding that a 12 year old can decide that he or she is transgendered. If that is OK, then it should then be OK for 12 year old kids to marry, smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol, or join the army. There is a good reason we don't allow that. Kids that age are not capable yet of making that kind of decision. I believe this should also apply to deciding what gender they are, and to use bathrooms accordingly. If Charlotte made a mistake in passing their law, it was in allowing it to apply to kids. This was, IMHO, enough to cause the huge reaction from the state level that it did.
 
I don't understand the logic of the law. Forcing someone to use a bathroom based on the gender on their birth certificate doesn't make sense. It makes more sense to me to base bathroom use on the persons plumbing, if they felt such a law were necessary.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
I don't understand the logic of the law. Forcing someone to use a bathroom based on the gender on their birth certificate doesn't make sense. It makes more sense to me to base bathroom use on the persons plumbing, if they felt such a law were necessary.
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So, if a transgendered had the operation, and changed his or her plumbing, you would then be OK with it?
 
danarhea said:
So, if a transgendered had the operation, and changed his or her plumbing, you would then be OK with it?
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I don't live in North Carolina, but when looking at a law, I try to find at least the logic of what was intended and I expressed my view of that, which I did.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
I don't live in North Carolina, but when looking at a law, I try to find at least the logic of what was intended and I expressed my view of that, which I did.
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Fair enough. :)
 
JasperL said:
You can look and find it if you want, but it essentially adds LGBT to the protected classes in the Civil Rights Act that now protect religion, race, national origin, etc. from discrimination.
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No! You said it! You support it!

Again...What discrimination will the Charlotte Ordinance protect people from?
 
apdst said:
We all know why you're afraid to debate the issue . But, if you're scared, say you're scared.
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No, I'm not afraid to debate the issue at all. What I know from experience is your debate strategy is often to drag the other side into a rathole of irrelevancy and I'm not playing. You asked what it covered - if you actually CARE TO KNOW, which I doubt, you can read the link and then make whatever point you hinted at or were getting at with your question. If, however, you're not willing to do the simplest task of clicking a link and reading a few pages of text, then commenting on what it covers (your question) then I have no idea what your point might be and will quit here. There is nothing to debate because you're unwilling or unable to make a coherent point on topic. :shrug:
 
danarhea said:
It will, but I honestly have a few reservations. I am OK with gay marriage, and I am OK with transgendered people using the bathroom they identify with, but I am not OK with these laws applying to minors. Legally, minors are not given the capacity to make these kinds of decisions for themselves until they reach the age of consent. What that age is can be debatable, but IMHO, the mind of a 12 year old has not fully developed. So applying these laws to them is ridiculous. I am not OK with lawmakers deciding that a 12 year old can decide that he or she is transgendered. If that is OK, then it should then be OK for 12 year old kids to marry, smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol, or join the army. There is a good reason we don't allow that. Kids that age are not capable yet of making that kind of decision. I believe this should also apply to deciding what gender they are, and to use bathrooms accordingly. If Charlotte made a mistake in passing their law, it was in allowing it to apply to kids. This was, IMHO, enough to cause the huge reaction from the state level that it did.
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To me...the greatest problem is the lunacy attached with the ____________-gender rights movement which ultimately forced this law in the first place. I TRULY dont give a **** if I am talking a piss and a dude in a dress walks up to the urinal next to me and starts peeing. Unless he is trying to share MY urinal at the same time...whatever. I think MOST real live actual transgendered individuals want nothing more than to go about their business, especially in places where they are doing their business if you catch my meaning. In that case...most of us wouldnt know, wouldnt care. But now we have 74 different gender types and counting and everyone is screeching about their rights and people are frankly tired of it. Too many people are trying to create causes and trying to exploit the 'rights' movement and people got tired of being pushed and they pushed back. Thats not too surprising.

When I was in Kuwait one of the first shockers was that we had 3 hard core porn channels on our cable feed from the Kuwaiti cable networks. Weird...right? It had been going on for years and those that enjoyed porn quietly enjoyed quality cable programming. Then a bunch of dumbasses started a petition to SECURE their rights to the porn channel to make sure it didnt go away and also to change the GO1 statutes that said they couldnt buy Playboy or go to porn sites on their computers. Boom...as soon as they started making a big deal of it, DC said...wait...Porn channels? WTF? And shut everything down.

OK...not the EXACT same thing...but KIND OF the same thing. Point is...like the race issue...most of us dont give a **** about the gender wars crap. I figure in the great grand scheme of things society morals are fluid and eventually things are all going to work themselves out. I disagree with gay marriage...but I am not fighting against gay marriage. I have friends and family members are gay and that didnt cause me to change my position (because my morals arent based on feeeeeelings and what I WANT). However...when gay marriage was made legal I was happy for them and still didnt give much of a **** about it either way. The only time I tend to react is when people want to get in my face and start with their screaming ohmygawdIhateyouyou****ingbigotIhateyouIhateyouIhateyouAaaaaaaaaaaaaugh!!!!bull****. Then I typically point out what mindless ****ing hypocrites they are, that they spent most of their adult lives bitching about conservatives but selling out their votes to leftists that were also opposed to gay marriage and they never said dick and basically have a nice day. Its human nature. **** with people...they push back. North Carolina passed the law because a bunch of ugly ass trannys started screeching about their rights and making a fuss. People pushed back. Shocking.

People ought to be a little bit careful when they start rushing in to tip over the apple cart. There have been some recent judicial decisions I doubt they want to see brought back up again.
 
danarhea said:
It will, but I honestly have a few reservations. I am OK with gay marriage, and I am OK with transgendered people using the bathroom they identify with, but I am not OK with these laws applying to minors. Legally, minors are not given the capacity to make these kinds of decisions for themselves until they reach the age of consent. What that age is can be debatable, but IMHO, the mind of a 12 year old has not fully developed. So applying these laws to them is ridiculous. I am not OK with lawmakers deciding that a 12 year old can decide that he or she is transgendered. If that is OK, then it should then be OK for 12 year old kids to marry, smoke cigarettes, drink alcohol, or join the army. There is a good reason we don't allow that. Kids that age are not capable yet of making that kind of decision. I believe this should also apply to deciding what gender they are, and to use bathrooms accordingly. If Charlotte made a mistake in passing their law, it was in allowing it to apply to kids. This was, IMHO, enough to cause the huge reaction from the state level that it did.
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So 12 year olds can know that they're gay and come out as such (happens all the time), but a trans kid can't be sure until 18, and you're basing this on what? The reason the state reacted like they did is simply they hate LGBT and want to score political points off those who hate LGBT, no other reason. That's why the law also includes bans on antidiscrimination laws that protect homosexuals AND bans restroom use based on gender identity for adults. It's far from only impacting school kids
 
Master PO said:
never heard of a right to a restroom, and if its a privilege on public property then government controls it.
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... If that were true, we'd still have white only restrooms.
 
OMG people seriously. If bathrooms ceased to exist the entire economy and education would shut down. If i can't take a **** inside the store, or on the sidewalk, i have go *somewhere*

Now actually i see the republican scheme - to force LGBT to stay at home and away from everyone else. You want to invent this "no right to a bathroom" argument to oppress those you despise, while keeping the benefits to bathroom access yourself. In fact there are transgender in north carolina who've claimed they don't go out because they're afraid to use a bathroom now.

If the bigots of yore had been smart, they would've tried this instead of "coloreds" bathrooms too
 
VanceMack said:
Once the law is passed its 'settled law'...right? I mean...surely people wouldnt advocate to continue to reopen laws that have been passed based on new bodies in government and judicial offices.
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Right now I think there are several court cases involved that haven't been fully decided.
Really all the bill did was default the authority back to that state government.

Mostly because you have one city that does it one way another city that does it differently.
It causes a judicial nightmare.
 
JasperL said:
Damn those transgenders - they ought to just hold it when in public! :roll:
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Damn those women and girls ! They should be forced to have to share a restroom with grown men :roll:
 
Master PO said:
so you think you have a right to material goods and services......Serious question
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i have a right to enjoy public accommodations
yes
 
Master PO said:
so you think you have a right to material goods and services......Serious question
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No white only restrooms? It appears that I do. Why? Does it bother you that people have to by law serve blacks? What about women?

I can see why ernst barkmann wouldn't have been the best name to post this stuff under.

:lol:
 
Master PO said:
again a (right)?

you dont have a right to a restroom

public property is under the control of government, government gives you (privileges) they don't give you rights
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i possess a right to use a public accommodation
even as the private owner of that accomodation open to the public, you cannot bar me from access despite your ownership interest
 
justabubba said:
i have a right to enjoy public accommodations


yes
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no you don't, there is no such thing a right to a material good or service

because a material good has to be created by a person or entity, how can you have a right to something you did not create?

a service is one offered by a person or entity, how can you have a right to force a person or entity give you something?

no such thing as a right to enjoy
 
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Hatuey said:
No white only restrooms? It appears that I do. Why? Does it bother you that people have to by law serve blacks? What about women?

I can see why ernst barkmann wouldn't have been the best name to post this stuff under.

:lol:
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you still have not answered the question of a ...right
 
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