North Carolina judges block voter ID law, saying it discriminates against Black people

[Rogue Valley]

North Carolina judges block voter ID law, saying it discriminates against Black people

A panel of North Carolina judges in a split decision blocked the state's voter ID law, saying it discriminates against Black people.

www.cnbc.com

9/17/21
A panel of North Carolina judges in a split decision Friday blocked the state’s voter ID law, saying it discriminates against Black people. Two judges on the panel said in their majority opinion that evidence shows the law, which requires voters to present a photo identification to cast a ballot, “was enacted in part for a discriminatory purpose.” The decision in Wake County Superior Court also said that the law “would not have been enacted in its current form but for its tendency to discriminate against African American voters.” The ruling cited a 2015 analysis by a political scientist which showed that hundreds of thousands of registered voters in North Carolina potentially lacked ID that would qualify them to cast ballots under the law. That analysis found that 9.6% of Black “registered voters lacked acceptable ID” for voting under a prior voter ID bill, “as compared with 4.5% of white registered voters.” The majority decision noted that because Black people in North Carolina are more much likely to live in poverty than white people, they thus are also more likely to “face greater hurdles to acquiring photo ID” as a result of not having a car or being able to get time off from work to do so.

Judges Michael O’Foghludha and Vince Rozier Jr. wrote the majority decision Friday, which came after a trial earlier this year. They noted that the ID law “is the only legislation implementing a constitutional amendment ever to be enacted in a post-election lame duck session in North Carolina” and that it was passed after another court ruling had ordered “racially gerrymandered” legislative districts that favored Republicans to be redrawn. That “suggests that Republicans wanted to entrench themselves by passing their preferred, and more restrictive, version of a voter ID law,” the majority wrote.

Whether by discriminatory Jim Crow voting laws or by racial gerrymandering, Republicans are always working to stifle the votes of people of color.

If they put as much energy into formulating policies that appeal to all voters, they wouldn't need to rig the election process.

 

[TheParser]

Shame on those North Carolina judges for refusing to support laws that prevent crooked elections.

The United States Supreme Court may not have the courage to support the law because the conservative justices are already shaking in their boots at the possibility of court packing.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Interesting 2-1 split vote, begs for an appeal?

(And I agree, Republicans are doing everything they can to suppress the vote... even though several other states around NC already require and accept only certain IDs.)

 

[Grim17]

I don't give a damn what those judges had to say, requiring a photo ID is in no way, shape or form racist, and only discriminates against 2 type of people... The lazy and those who want an easy way to commit voter fraud.

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[CaughtInThe]

Go back and look at what North Carolina did once they got there Republican supermajority with a Republican governor. It was quite a few years back and it was disgusting.

 

[LostinThought]

North Carolina judges block voter ID law, saying it discriminates against Black people

A panel of North Carolina judges in a split decision blocked the state's voter ID law, saying it discriminates against Black people.

www.cnbc.com

Whether by discriminatory Jim Crow voting laws or by racial gerrymandering, Republicans are always working to stifle the votes of people of color.

If they put as much energy into formulating policies that appeal to all voters, they wouldn't need to rig the election process.

It looks like they couldn't explain how it's discriminatory to require ID..

I guess these are the same judges that believe nearly all minorities are either too stupid, or too poor to acquire these IDs.
Now that's just sad to see that these judges might actually think that. It's even worse to see that so many people are here agreeing with them on that matter.

 

[Indlib]

I don't give a damn what those judges had to say, requiring a photo ID is in no way, shape or form racist, and only discriminates against 2 type of people... The lazy and those who want an easy way to commit voter fraud.

.

And those that don't like big government.

 

[Mycroft]

North Carolina judges block voter ID law, saying it discriminates against Black people

A panel of North Carolina judges in a split decision blocked the state's voter ID law, saying it discriminates against Black people.

www.cnbc.com

Whether by discriminatory Jim Crow voting laws or by racial gerrymandering, Republicans are always working to stifle the votes of people of color.

If they put as much energy into formulating policies that appeal to all voters, they wouldn't need to rig the election process.

I wonder how many of those people living in poverty have cell phones? Probably all of them, eh?

Seems to me that anyone who doesn't have an ID is in that position because that's the choice they made. I also doubt they even vote.

 

[Indlib]

It looks like they couldn't explain how it's discriminatory to require ID..

I guess these are the same judges that believe nearly all minorities are either too stupid, or too poor to acquire these IDs.
Now that's just sad to see that these judges might actually think that. It's even worse to see that so many people are here agreeing with them on that matter.

Nothing gets the right spun up like when the American system they pretend to support doesn't go their way.

 

[TheParser]

I also doubt they even vote.

Not to worry.

Someone will bring a ballot to them and tell them how to vote.

 

[Grim17]

And those that don't like big government.

This is not a "big government" issue... ID's are required to do just about anything in our society now.

You need an ID to:
Buy Alcohol
Buy Cigarettes
Open a bank account
Apply for food stamps
Apply for welfare
Apply for Medicaid/Social Security
Apply for unemployment or a job
Rent/buy a house, apply for a mortgage
Drive/buy/rent a car
Get on an airplane
Get married
Purchase a gun
Adopt a pet
Rent a hotel room
Apply for a hunting license
Apply for a fishing license
Buy a cell phone
Visit a casino
Pick up a prescription
Hold a rally or protest
Donate blood
Buy an "M" rated video game
Purchase nail polish at CVS
Purchase certain cold medicines

 

[Roadvirus]

North Carolina judges block voter ID law, saying it discriminates against Black people

A panel of North Carolina judges in a split decision blocked the state's voter ID law, saying it discriminates against Black people.

www.cnbc.com

Whether by discriminatory Jim Crow voting laws or by racial gerrymandering, Republicans are always working to stifle the votes of people of color.

If they put as much energy into formulating policies that appeal to all voters, they wouldn't need to rig the election process.

Piffle.

You need an ID to drive.
An ID to buy cigs or booze.
An ID to open a bank account.

When have THOSE ID requirements ever been branded as "racist" or "Jim Crow"?

 

[Rogue Valley]

It looks like they couldn't explain how it's discriminatory to require ID..

You can always look up the 211 page ruling.

A federal appeals court shot down parts of a 2013 North Carolina law that had similar provisions as the 2018 law, saying the earlier gambit had been written in with “almost surgical precision” to target Black voters. Plaintiffs in the case over the 2018 law said it would have a similar impact as the earlier legislation. “Other, less restrictive voter ID laws would have sufficed to achieve the legitimate nonracial purposes of implementing the constitutional amendment requiring voter ID, deterring fraud, or enhancing voter confidence,” the judges ruled.

Court strikes down North Carolina voter ID law as racially biased

A panel of state judges in North Carolina struck down a voter ID law Friday, saying the law made it more difficult for Black voters to cast ballots.The judges said in their 211-page ruling that whi…

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A different 3 judge panel ruled last month that the state’s felon disenfranchisement rules are unconstitutional.

NC court grants voting rights to thousands of people on probation or parole for a felony

PS. An ID is not the same as a NC required photo ID.

 

[Common Sense 1]

This is not a "big government" issue... ID's are required to do just about anything in our society now.

You need an ID to:
Buy Alcohol
Buy Cigarettes
Open a bank account
Apply for food stamps
Apply for welfare
Apply for Medicaid/Social Security
Apply for unemployment or a job
Rent/buy a house, apply for a mortgage
Drive/buy/rent a car
Get on an airplane
Get married
Purchase a gun
Adopt a pet
Rent a hotel room
Apply for a hunting license
Apply for a fishing license
Buy a cell phone
Visit a casino
Pick up a prescription
Hold a rally or protest
Donate blood
Buy an "M" rated video game
Purchase nail polish at CVS
Purchase certain cold medicines

And add to the list:
To enter any federal court house and the white house.
To board a commercial aircraft.

 

[Indlib]

This is not a "big government" issue... ID's are required to do just about anything in our society now.

You need an ID to:
Buy Alcohol
Buy Cigarettes
Open a bank account
Apply for food stamps
Apply for welfare
Apply for Medicaid/Social Security
Apply for unemployment or a job
Rent/buy a house, apply for a mortgage
Drive/buy/rent a car
Get on an airplane
Get married
Purchase a gun
Adopt a pet
Rent a hotel room
Apply for a hunting license
Apply for a fishing license
Buy a cell phone
Visit a casino
Pick up a prescription
Hold a rally or protest
Donate blood
Buy an "M" rated video game
Purchase nail polish at CVS
Purchase certain cold medicines

Yeah. You are familiar. We had this talk recently I believe.

I told you why I don't support voter ID and your response was to simply say I was being dishonest.

Sorry I responded to your post. I had forgotten you are a disengenious debater...and I apologize if I have the wrong person .

 

[Roadvirus]

This is not a "big government" issue... ID's are required to do just about anything in our society now.

You need an ID to:

Purchase nail polish at CVS

To purchase nail polish?

 

[rahl]

voter fraud is statistically zero, so it's a complete none issue. But, the backlash to voter ID is just silly. There is no reason that anybody does not currently have, or would be able to obtain an ID. A drivers license is all that would be needed, or state issued ID card. There is no excuse for not being able to obtain one.

 

[Grim17]

To purchase nail polish?

To prevent kids from huffing it I suppose.

 

[Mycroft]

Not to worry.

Someone will bring a ballot to them and tell them how to vote.

Even if they are not registered.

 

[reflechissez]

I don't give a damn what those judges had to say, requiring a photo ID is in no way, shape or form racist, and only discriminates against 2 type of people... The lazy and those who want an easy way to commit voter fraud.

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Can you give us some examples of that "easy" voter fraud?

 

[Indlib]

voter fraud is statistically zero, so it's a complete none issue. But, the backlash to voter ID is just silly. There is no reason that anybody does not currently have, or would be able to obtain an ID. A drivers license is all that would be needed, or state issued ID card. There is no excuse for not being able to obtain one.

Yes there is an excuse.

Why should Americans be forced by the government to get an ID to solve a problem they can't prove exists?

Whats next? Imbedded computer chips to verify we are not aliens from outer space simply because the fed says it so?

It is a bit ironic that many Trump supporters (not meaning you as I dont know your leanings) refuse to let the government force them to get a vaccine to solve a problem that is PROVEN to be effective and yet want the fed to force more IDs down our throats to fix something the government can't prove.

 

[Grim17]

Can you give us some examples of that "easy" voter fraud?

Sure... Anyone can show up to vote at every poll station in the state using a different name every time.

A person can't do that if they are required to show their ID.

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[reflechissez]

Sure... Anyone can show up to vote at every poll station in the state using a different name every time.

A person can't do that if they are required to show their ID.

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That's not an example. It's an opinion. If it's so "easy," there'd be lots of examples, right?

 

[Napoleon]

Yes there is an excuse.

Why should Americans be forced by the government to get an ID to solve a problem they can't prove exists?

Whats next? Imbedded computer chips to verify we are not aliens from outer space simply because the fed says it so?

It is a bit ironic that many Trump supporters (not meaning you as I dont know your leanings) refuse to let the government force them to get a vaccine to solve a problem that is PROVEN to be effective and yet want the fed to force more IDs down our throats to fix something the government can't prove.

This is just another use for the same ID required by the government for a laundry list of other things.

 

[rahl]

Yes there is an excuse.

no there isn't. You need an ID to do about a thousand different things.

Why should Americans be forced by the government to get an ID to solve a problem they can't prove exists?

Same reason the govn't can force me to provide an ID to buy a firearm, alcohol or any of a thousand other reasons they require ID.

Whats next? Imbedded computer chips to verify we are not aliens from outer space simply because the fed says it so?

this is just hyperbole

It is a bit ironic that many Trump supporters (not meaning you as I dont know your leanings) refuse to let the government force them to get a vaccine to solve a problem that is PROVEN to be effective and yet want the fed to force more IDs down our throats to fix something the government can't prove.

I'm not a trump supporter, republican, or anti vaxer. I've gotten the vaccine. But comparing the 2 are apples to 747's.