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North Carolina Christian School (receives tax dollars) bars gay students and can kick you out if your sibling is gay.

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So, reading those rules (again, for a school that receives TAXPAYER DOLLARS) it appears that all the kids who have parents who commit adultery should be expelled, right?? What if the parents work on Sundays?? What if the parents own companies and force their employees to work on Sundays?



 
CaughtInThe said:
it's literally just a scheme to funnel taxpayer $$$$ to Christian schools that discriminate.

that's it. that's the whole ball of wax.
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I can't wait to hear the wailing from the right when someone in a "voucher" district opens an Islam Academy or a School of Satanism and starts collecting that sweet, sweet .gov cash.
 
There are pros/cons for virtually anything you can think of.
And school vouchers are not immune to that.
Instead of focusing on only the negative, or only the positive, you need to weigh them both.
The largest pro of vouchers is that it enables parents to be able to afford to get their child out of a lousy underperforming school.
The largest con is that it decreases funds from those same failed schools making them even worse.
Other pros are it enables parents to send their children to schools that support their views and morals when they otherwise couldn't afford to do so.
Other cons is that public funds end up in schools that are not secular.

So it comes down to what is worse - parents forced to send their children to failed systems, or public funds going to non secular schools.
And the ONLY people that should be making the choice is parents with kids in school.
 
CaughtInThe said:
So, reading those rules (again, for a school that receives TAXPAYER DOLLARS) it appears that all the kids who have parents who commit adultery should be expelled, right?? What if the parents work on Sundays?? What if the parents own companies and force their employees to work on Sundays?



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Public funding of bigotry and ignorance. How nice
 
iamwhatiseem said:
There are pros/cons for virtually anything you can think of.
And school vouchers are not immune to that.
Instead of focusing on only the negative, or only the positive, you need to weigh them both.
The largest pro of vouchers is that it enables parents to be able to afford to get their child out of a lousy underperforming school.
The largest con is that it decreases funds from those same failed schools making them even worse.
Other pros are it enables parents to send their children to schools that support their views and morals when they otherwise couldn't afford to do so.
Other cons is that public funds end up in schools that are not secular.

So it comes down to what is worse - parents forced to send their children to failed systems, or public funds going to non secular schools.
And the ONLY people that should be making the choice is parents with kids in school.
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Hmmmmm, that sounds a lot like socialism to me......


I pay high taxes to live in a good school district. You pay low taxes and live in a worse school district, but then you get to send your kids to my school for free? :unsure:
 
hooligan said:
Hmmmmm, that sounds a lot like socialism to me......


I pay high taxes to live in a good school district. You pay low taxes and live in a worse school district, but then you get to send your kids to my school for free? :unsure:
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Who is you? If you mean me personally, I certainly don't live in a low property tax area. Not even close.

If "you" means other people in general, then you have an argument. You do.
But again, that doesn't negate the pros of vouchers.
Which is why I believe this is a local decision to be made by local people. The feds have no business making that decision.
 
iamwhatiseem said:
Who is you? If you mean me personally, I certainly don't live in a low property tax area. Not even close.

If "you" means other people in general, then you have an argument. You do.
But again, that doesn't negate the pros of vouchers.
Which is why I believe this is a local decision to be made by local people. The feds have no business making that decision.
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The feds "have no business making that decision", but it involves federal tax dollars. Square that circle for me, homie?
 
iamwhatiseem said:
There are pros/cons for virtually anything you can think of.
And school vouchers are not immune to that.
Instead of focusing on only the negative, or only the positive, you need to weigh them both.
The largest pro of vouchers is that it enables parents to be able to afford to get their child out of a lousy underperforming school.
The largest con is that it decreases funds from those same failed schools making them even worse.
Other pros are it enables parents to send their children to schools that support their views and morals when they otherwise couldn't afford to do so.
Other cons is that public funds end up in schools that are not secular.

So it comes down to what is worse - parents forced to send their children to failed systems, or public funds going to non secular schools.
And the ONLY people that should be making the choice is parents with kids in school.
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I would think the decision should be made by anyone that is paying tax dollars into the system.
 
Irredentist said:
I would think the decision should be made by anyone that is paying tax dollars into the system.
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Into that local system, yes.
But not nationally.
We are a vast country, and the beliefs and morals of people living 1000 miles away should not over ride the votes of the people who actually live there.
 
iamwhatiseem said:
And the ONLY people that should be making the choice is parents with kids in school.
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Uh .... no! The ONLY people that should be making the choice are the taxpayers who are burdened with funding religious schools. They should refuse to do it. It is not the fault of the taxpayer that people can't afford to send their kids to private religious schools. Let them pray to their god for the money, or accept the obvious fact that it must be god's will that their kids have to go to an underperforming school. It is their Lord, after all, that works in strange ways.
 
hooligan said:
I can't wait to hear the wailing from the right when someone in a "voucher" district opens an Islam Academy or a School of Satanism and starts collecting that sweet, sweet .gov cash.
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This is why I’m glad I live in a state where non-public schools cannot receive public money. Even if you’re a charter school, you have to accept all students (within reason) and have the state curriculum.

Although the GOP has been trying to change this for decades
 
MamboDervish said:
Uh .... no! The ONLY people that should be making the choice are the taxpayers who are burdened with funding religious schools. They should refuse to do it. It is not the fault of the taxpayer that people can't afford to send their kids to private religious schools. Let them pray to their god for the money, or accept the obvious fact that it must be god's will that their kids have to go to an underperforming school. It is their Lord, after all, that works in strange ways.
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Refer to #13
 
iamwhatiseem said:
There are pros/cons for virtually anything you can think of.
And school vouchers are not immune to that.
Instead of focusing on only the negative, or only the positive, you need to weigh them both.
The largest pro of vouchers is that it enables parents to be able to afford to get their child out of a lousy underperforming school.
The largest con is that it decreases funds from those same failed schools making them even worse.
Other pros are it enables parents to send their children to schools that support their views and morals when they otherwise couldn't afford to do so.
Other cons is that public funds end up in schools that are not secular.

So it comes down to what is worse - parents forced to send their children to failed systems, or public funds going to non secular schools.
And the ONLY people that should be making the choice is parents with kids in school.
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While you reiterate many of the points brought out whenever vouchers are discussed, I disagree that it is a matter of weighing the relative "pros" versus the relative "cons." Some "cons" cannot be overcome by any amount of positives. And I'd say the example in the OP (if accurate), creates a hard "no" regarding the use of taxpayer funded vouchers.
 
iamwhatiseem said:
Into that local system, yes.
But not nationally.
We are a vast country, and the beliefs and morals of people living 1000 miles away should not over ride the votes of the people who actually live there.
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I'm curious, has a tally been taken of that area, and the majority agree that gay kids and their families shouldn't be allow at school? What I've seen lately is minority rule when it comes to Christian values, and their implementation.

I think instead of vouchers for religious preference, we should just be making all schools great again.
 
Buckeyes85 said:
While you reiterate many of the points brought out whenever vouchers are discussed, I disagree that it is a matter of weighing the relative "pros" versus the relative "cons." Some "cons" cannot be overcome by any amount of positives. And I'd say the example in the OP (if accurate), creates a hard "no" regarding the use of taxpayer funded vouchers.
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A valid opinion, but a democracy is decided by votes. And most of the votes said "yes" to vouchers.
Therefore I support it.
There are other laws I don't support, but support that they exist, because I was out-voted.
A democracy means you are going to live in a society where you don't always get what you want.
 
CaughtInThe said:
So, reading those rules (again, for a school that receives TAXPAYER DOLLARS) it appears that all the kids who have parents who commit adultery should be expelled, right?? What if the parents work on Sundays?? What if the parents own companies and force their employees to work on Sundays?



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There is zero reason for any faith-related business to get tax breaks related to faith.
 
iamwhatiseem said:
There are pros/cons for virtually anything you can think of.
And school vouchers are not immune to that.
Instead of focusing on only the negative, or only the positive, you need to weigh them both
The largest pro of vouchers is that it enables parents to be able to afford to get their child out of a lousy underperforming school.
The largest con is that it decreases funds from those same failed schools making them even worse.
Other pros are it enables parents to send their children to schools that support their views and morals when they otherwise couldn't afford to do so.
Other cons is that public funds end up in schools that are not secular.

So it comes down to what is worse - parents forced to send their children to failed systems, or public funds going to non secular schools.
And the ONLY people that should be making the choice is parents with kids in school.
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You are forgeting the taxpayers who pay for that education.
 
iamwhatiseem said:
There are pros/cons for virtually anything you can think of.
And school vouchers are not immune to that.
Instead of focusing on only the negative, or only the positive, you need to weigh them both.
The largest pro of vouchers is that it enables parents to be able to afford to get their child out of a lousy underperforming school.
The largest con is that it decreases funds from those same failed schools making them even worse.
Other pros are it enables parents to send their children to schools that support their views and morals when they otherwise couldn't afford to do so.
Other cons is that public funds end up in schools that are not secular.

So it comes down to what is worse - parents forced to send their children to failed systems, or public funds going to non secular schools.
And the ONLY people that should be making the choice is parents with kids in school.
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Except that your "largest pro" is not that large, since most of those utilizing vouchers already were going to private schools and many more don't really have an option as you claim because the amount of private schools, spots open within private schools in those areas are not nearly enough to cover the vast majority of students in public schools in those districts. You are just begging for scam schools to open that wouldn't care about students at all, only getting that extra money from the vouchers.
 
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