NOAA - Arctic Report Card -warming temperatures and melting ice

[Media_Truth]

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has just released their Annual Report. Is this another one of those groups that the Deniers contend are behind the Science Conspiracy?

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/12/6761...scading-effects-of-warming-ocean-temperatures

The Arctic has experienced the "most unprecedented transition in history" in terms of warming temperatures and melting ice, and those changes may be the cause of extreme weather around the globe, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's 2018 Arctic Report Card.
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According to NOAA, the Arctic is warming at twice the rate of the rest of the globe, which is melting some of the region's oldest ice.
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Scientists observed record low sea-ice levels in the Bering Sea, off western Alaska, during the winter when ice is supposed to accumulate, according to the report. Instead, the Bering Sea lost a section of ice the size of Idaho.

 

[Hawkeye10]

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has just released their Annual Report. Is this another one of those groups that the Deniers contend are behind the Science Conspiracy?

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/12/6761...scading-effects-of-warming-ocean-temperatures

The Arctic has experienced the "most unprecedented transition in history" in terms of warming temperatures and melting ice, and those changes may be the cause of extreme weather around the globe, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's 2018 Arctic Report Card.
...
According to NOAA, the Arctic is warming at twice the rate of the rest of the globe, which is melting some of the region's oldest ice.
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Scientists observed record low sea-ice levels in the Bering Sea, off western Alaska, during the winter when ice is supposed to accumulate, according to the report. Instead, the Bering Sea lost a section of ice the size of Idaho.

The take away is that the geniuses in charge have no real idea what is going on, but they are measuring and trying to figure it out.

 

[DaveFagan]

The take away is that the geniuses in charge have no real idea what is going on, but they are measuring and trying to figure it out.

They know millions of things that are going on, but collating the scale of the data is the problem. I view the Earth as a living organism, just like us, except on a scale and timeline that we have difficulty comprehending. The Earth strives for wet and green and tolerates its' parasites. We are one of the parasites. The human ego has some resistance to absorbing that fact. The Planet's harmonius parasites maintain a symbiotic relationship with the Planet, but contemproary humans are destructive. Symbiosis is out the window and hubris reigns supreme. The Planet will respond and cleanse the problem. Probably violently for humans but just volcanic and Earth shaking for the Planet.
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[flogger]

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has just released their Annual Report. Is this another one of those groups that the Deniers contend are behind the Science Conspiracy?

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/12/6761...scading-effects-of-warming-ocean-temperatures

The Arctic has experienced the "most unprecedented transition in history" in terms of warming temperatures and melting ice, and those changes may be the cause of extreme weather around the globe, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's 2018 Arctic Report Card.
...
According to NOAA, the Arctic is warming at twice the rate of the rest of the globe, which is melting some of the region's oldest ice.
...
Scientists observed record low sea-ice levels in the Bering Sea, off western Alaska, during the winter when ice is supposed to accumulate, according to the report. Instead, the Bering Sea lost a section of ice the size of Idaho.

As I recently posted elsewhere the ice core record shows the Arctic has been through significantly warmer periods than today over just the last few thousand years. There is nothing whatsoever that is 'unprecedented' about it given the very limited duration of our instrumental record. Anyway didn't Al Gore say it should be all gone by now ? :wink:

 

[Tim the plumber]

Twice as fast as nill is.....?

 

[ttwtt78640]

Twice as fast as nill is.....?

Apparently much like it was (about?) 1500 years ago. Global cooperation agreements and income redistribution schemes fixed it then and thus must be used again now - nope, not next year, right now!

According to the report, Arctic Ocean temperatures are rising and sea ice levels are falling at rates not seen in the past 1,500 years.

 

[Tim the plumber]

Apparently much like it was (about?) 1500 years ago. Global cooperation agreements and income redistribution schemes fixed it then and thus must be used again now - nope, not next year, right now!

That's an odd one as 1500 years ago is about the time of the collapse of the Roman Empire. That has generally been attributed to a massive cooling resulting in such things as the Rhine freezing over to allow massive German tribes to walk across...

 

[Threegoofs]

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has just released their Annual Report. Is this another one of those groups that the Deniers contend are behind the Science Conspiracy?

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/12/6761...scading-effects-of-warming-ocean-temperatures

The Arctic has experienced the "most unprecedented transition in history" in terms of warming temperatures and melting ice, and those changes may be the cause of extreme weather around the globe, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's 2018 Arctic Report Card.
...
According to NOAA, the Arctic is warming at twice the rate of the rest of the globe, which is melting some of the region's oldest ice.
...
Scientists observed record low sea-ice levels in the Bering Sea, off western Alaska, during the winter when ice is supposed to accumulate, according to the report. Instead, the Bering Sea lost a section of ice the size of Idaho.

Ugh. What a bunch of warmists and alarmists.

Us people who know science understand that AGW is just a giant librul conspiracy. I know because I took physics in high school, and have ‘several years of engineering’.

 

[Threegoofs]

That's an odd one as 1500 years ago is about the time of the collapse of the Roman Empire. That has generally been attributed to a massive cooling resulting in such things as the Rhine freezing over to allow massive German tribes to walk across...

Yes. Because before that, the German tribes had no technology to cross the Rhine.

That’s just common sense.

 

[Tim the plumber]

Yes. Because before that, the German tribes had no technology to cross the Rhine.

That’s just common sense.

If you knew any history of the period you might be aware of the Roman fleet that patroled the Rhine and stopped the barbarians from crossing in mass. This was a little useless when the river froze and the boats were locked in place.

 

[Jack Hays]

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[h=1]NASA: Global Warming Promotes Arctic Sea Ice Growth[/h][FONT=&quot]Guest essay by Eric Worrall According to NASA, the increased rate of thickening of sea ice in the Arctic is due to Global Warming. Wintertime Arctic Sea Ice Growth Slows Long-term Decline: NASA Dec. 7, 2018 New NASA research has found that increases in the rate at which Arctic sea ice grows in the winter…
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7 days ago December 11, 2018 in NASA.

 

[Media_Truth]

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[h=1]NASA: Global Warming Promotes Arctic Sea Ice Growth[/h][FONT="][FONT=inherit]Guest essay by Eric Worrall According to NASA, the increased rate of thickening of sea ice in the Arctic is due to Global Warming. Wintertime Arctic Sea Ice Growth Slows Long-term Decline: NASA Dec. 7, 2018 New NASA research has found that increases in the rate at which Arctic sea ice grows in the winter…[/FONT]
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[URL="https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/12/11/nasa-global-warming-promotes-arctic-sea-ice-growth/"]7 days ago December 11, 2018[/URL] in NASA.

Does Jack know how to represent an entire article, or is Jack just doing his usual cherry-picking? From Jack's linkie-winkie...

This does not mean that the ice cover is recovering, though. Just delaying its demise.

“This increase in the amount of sea ice growing in winter doesn’t overcome the large increase in melting we’ve observed in recent decades,” said Alek Petty, a sea ice scientist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, and lead author of the study. “Overall, thickness is decreasing. Arctic sea ice is still very much in decline across all seasons and is projected to continue its decline over the coming decades. ”

 

[Media_Truth]

As I recently posted elsewhere the ice core record shows the Arctic has been through significantly warmer periods than today over just the last few thousand years. There is nothing whatsoever that is 'unprecedented' about it given the very limited duration of our instrumental record. Anyway didn't Al Gore say it should be all gone by now ? :wink:

You disagree with the word "unprecedented" that the NOAA uses? Please provide a reputable Scientific source that backs up your anti-NOAA stance.

 

[flogger]

You disagree with the word "unprecedented" that the NOAA uses? Please provide a reputable Scientific source that backs up your anti-NOAA stance.

I've already posted the ice core graph from the Kobayashi 2011 Peer review study into 4000 years of Greenland ice cores several times already recently so you must have seen it

 

[Jack Hays]

Does Jack know how to represent an entire article, or is Jack just doing his usual cherry-picking? From Jack's linkie-winkie...

This does not mean that the ice cover is recovering, though. Just delaying its demise.

“This increase in the amount of sea ice growing in winter doesn’t overcome the large increase in melting we’ve observed in recent decades,” said Alek Petty, a sea ice scientist at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, and lead author of the study. “Overall, thickness is decreasing. Arctic sea ice is still very much in decline across all seasons and is projected to continue its decline over the coming decades. ”

Yawn.

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Nansen Environmental and Remote Sensing Center (NERSC) – Arctic Regional Ocean Observing System (ROOS) – Click the pic to view at source​

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[Media_Truth]

Yawn.

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Nansen Environmental and Remote Sensing Center (NERSC) – Arctic Regional Ocean Observing System (ROOS) – Click the pic to view at source​

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Your cherry-picking is a yawner.

 

[Jack Hays]

Your cherry-picking is a yawner.

Not sure how over 35 years of data can be called "cherry-picking."

 

[Media_Truth]

I've already posted the ice core graph from the Kobayashi 2011 Peer review study into 4000 years of Greenland ice cores several times already recently so you must have seen it

Ice core data is a scientific tool. Scientists use them, understanding all the uncertainties.

ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/icecore/ice-cores.pdf

1. Timescale uncertainty
2. Diffusion uncertainty
3. Sampling uncertainty
4. Spatial uncertainty
5. Uncertainties in physical relationships

 

[Media_Truth]

Not sure how over 35 years of data can be called "cherry-picking."

I didn't even look at your graph, because your previous was so cherry-picked, that you obviously have nothing credible to offer.

 

[Jack Hays]

I didn't even look at your graph, because your previous was so cherry-picked, that you obviously have nothing credible to offer.

Just another nonsensical falsehood. When you go low, I go high. Here are more data.

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[FONT=&quot]JAXA data download (CSV file of extent) here[/FONT]

 

[Media_Truth]

Just another nonsensical falsehood. When you go low, I go high. Here are more data.

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[COLOR=#404040][FONT="]JAXA data download (CSV file of extent) here[/FONT]

Then why did you post a link that stated this?

“Overall, thickness is decreasing. Arctic sea ice is still very much in decline across all seasons and is projected to continue its decline over the coming decades. ”

 

[Jack Hays]

Then why did you post a link that stated this?

“Overall, thickness is decreasing. Arctic sea ice is still very much in decline across all seasons and is projected to continue its decline over the coming decades. ”

Why not? It's data, except for the part about "projected" future decline, which is just a guess.

 

[Media_Truth]

Why not? It's data, except for the part about "projected" future decline, which is just a guess.

Sure man, just Post away. Post graphs that are unlinked. Post contradictory data. Post a graph that shows ice decline in the Summer, and ice growth in the Winter. It's all the same to you.

 

[Jack Hays]

Sure man, just Post away. Post graphs that are unlinked. Post contradictory data. Post a graph that shows ice decline in the Summer, and ice growth in the Winter. It's all the same to you.

They all tell the same story: there's no reason for alarm.

 

[Lord of Planar]

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has just released their Annual Report. Is this another one of those groups that the Deniers contend are behind the Science Conspiracy?

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/12/6761...scading-effects-of-warming-ocean-temperatures

The Arctic has experienced the "most unprecedented transition in history" in terms of warming temperatures and melting ice, and those changes may be the cause of extreme weather around the globe, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's 2018 Arctic Report Card.
...
According to NOAA, the Arctic is warming at twice the rate of the rest of the globe, which is melting some of the region's oldest ice.
...
Scientists observed record low sea-ice levels in the Bering Sea, off western Alaska, during the winter when ice is supposed to accumulate, according to the report. Instead, the Bering Sea lost a section of ice the size of Idaho.

Well, the quote "most unprecedented transition in history," doesn't appear in the 2018 report, so I wonder what else NPR lied about.

Care to read through the 114 page report and quote what has merit to us please?

Arctic Report Card 2018