Probably half of the people I ever put in cuffs complained about something along the way. They were always "innocent" or "injured" or I was totally being unfair. I heard one version or another of "ouch!" so much that it simply stopped registering. If you didn't want to get hurt you had the option to just put your hands behind you like I asked the first time.
Or...don't give a cop the reason to arrest you. That's been my policy my whole life and it's worked perfectly.
Over the years I've managed to end up in cuffs a few times and never had any problems. I've managed to be on both sides of the equation and I guarantee that the years being on the cop side of things made being on the suspect side easier to deal with.
It wasn't real violent in the one video, but the evidence is clearly there that he was resisting arrest.
Got a question. When someone is still speaking saying "I can't breathe"....isn't that a sure sign that they are indeed breathing?
Probably half of the people I ever put in cuffs complained about something along the way. They were always "innocent" or "injured" or I was totally being unfair. I heard one version or another of "ouch!" so much that it simply stopped registering. If you didn't want to get hurt you had the option to just put your hands behind you like I asked the first time.
Μολὼν λαβέ;1064059918 said:No, that's absurd...
It was the homicide victim communicating his distress until the police officer made sure he stopped breathing forever.
Now, I personally feel that the cops still had a responsibility to check on him and the complaint, especially with at least 4 there. And they should have tried to help him once he actually stopped breathing. However, you do make a good point. I actually saw this guy on worlds dumbest complain to the female officer assisting with his booking that he was shaking from being handcuffed because it had upset him so much. He was practically accusing the other officer of traumatizing him just by cuffing him.
Little over the top there. The police didn't "make sure he stopped breathing forever", there were much easier methods to achieve that goal if it were their aim. And so you know, police hear spurious physical complaints all the time, from just about anyone ever cuffed. People about to go in cuffs lie, it's an absolute.
They did call for medical right away, and they are not equipped to give mouth to mouth, not to mention CPR isn't always indicated and would have actually been harmful here. He was still breathing.
Still can't see why they were harassing this guy.Or...don't give a cop the reason to arrest you. That's been my policy my whole life and it's worked perfectly.
How many of those few times was it your fault?
Μολὼν λαβέ;1064059942 said:Then you didn't read the coroner's report. The police officer surely did make sure he stopped breathing forever. It was ruled a homicide. In other words, the officer killed him.
How much more harm is CPR going to give a guy without a pulse?
So he put the chokehold on Garner...because Garner was black?
Still can't see why they were harassing this guy.
It's not a victimless crime. Those so-called untaxed cigarettes mostly come from gang bangers heisting them from warehouses, burglarizing supermarkets or hijacking truckloads of them....sometimes violently.
"I just came from North Carolina the other day," Lato says when I ask him where he gets his cigarettes. "You know how much cigarettes cost out there? Five dollars."
According to a survey by the the Awl, a pack of Marlboro Reds costs an average of $5.45 in North Carolina, one of the lowest prices in the nation. It's also just a quick ten-hour drive down I-95 from New York City.
"I just run out there maybe twice a month," Lato says. But he's not as cavalier on these trips as he appears on the street.
"Let me tell you something," he continues, "Number one: You cannot just go out there and just go into one store and buy it like that 'cause they know. When you go out of town, you buy cigarettes, you buy too many cartons, they suspicious. You gotta go in this store and buy two or three cartons, this store, buy two or three cartons, that store, buy two or three cartons. You got to do it like that. You can't go into one store and buy more because they know that we're taking them out of state."
Thanks, but I'd rather not see a million protestors encircling the cops right now. I'd like to know if I called 911 because I was alone in the house with someone intent on doing me bodily harm and I was nowhere near my husband's gun collection that there would be someone there to help me.
Probably half of the people I ever put in cuffs complained about something along the way. They were always "innocent" or "injured" or I was totally being unfair. I heard one version or another of "ouch!" so much that it simply stopped registering. If you didn't want to get hurt you had the option to just put your hands behind you like I asked the first time.
He had a pulse at that point. He was unconscious but breathing. He died in the ambulance, not at the scene.
Hi Luther, even with Garner's health conditions, especially acute asthma, he was able to repeat the words "I can't breathe' over and over a lot longer than he physically could hold his breath. So logic points to he was still able to breathe.
Also the hold Pantaleo had Garner in on the ground is not a choke hold but a submission hold, which is not barred by the NYPD, and is designed to deprive the brain of oxygen by stopping blood flow through the arteries. Also to get Garner to the ground to be cuffed, that hold did no damage to his windpipe or neck bones. I'm really beginning to understand why the Grand Jury voted the way it did. They would have been instructed on the difference between a submission hold and a chokehold. That is why Garner went unconscious, because lack of blood flow to the brain not because his air passages had been cut off. In his unhealthy state, it wouldn't have taken much to cut blood flow with a heart condition. Someone without so many health issues would not been affected in the same way. Why would a man in such a weakened health state want to resist an arrest? His record shows in the past he was charged with resisting arrest. He knew the drill. He had been through it 31 times. This guy was suppose to go to trial in October with multiple charges including at least three counts of selling untaxed cigarettes, possession of marijuana, false personation, driving without a license, and a couple others. If he lived to October, he was facing jail time..... again.
And I have no doubt one of the three videos of the arrest taken by by-standers shared with the Grand Jury, shows that footage.In my experience the people that resist the most are almost always the ones that have a "little secret" that they don't want found out.
As an aside, I'd be willing to bet that the cop came close to soiling himself when he realized that he was heading for a plate glass window with a 350# body on his chest.
You got a source for that, chief? As I have it, most of those cigarettes are smuggled in from low tax states surrounding New York. Actually, here is the account from one guy who does it for a living:
How Illegal Cigarettes Get Smuggled and Sold in New York City | VICE | United States
Keep making it up as you go though guys.That's been failing just fine all thread long.
You have access to the coroner's report? Post a link. I suspect what you read is the determination portion reported in the press. The entire report hasn't been released to the public AFAIK.
And NO, the part we have access to does not indicate the "police made sure he stopped breathing forever". The wording you chose implies intent.
Can you give me a link to where you got that information?
It makes me wonder why the cop at the end of the video told the guy taking the video to "back it up, this is now a crime scene" ?
Once down and surrounded by four officers, Garner is heard to repeatedly state, "I can't breathe". According to Police Commissioner Bill Bratton, an ambulance was immediately called to the scene and Garner was transported to Richmond University Medical Center. He went into cardiac arrest while he was in the vehicle and was pronounced dead approximately one hour later at the hospital
Μολὼν λαβέ;1064060074 said:The words I chose state fact.
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