• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

NFL suspends Ben Roethlisberger six games

bhkad

DP Veteran
Joined
May 18, 2007
Messages
10,742
Reaction score
1,754
Gender
Undisclosed
Political Leaning
Undisclosed
NFL suspends Ben Roethlisberger six games

Posted by Michael David Smith on April 21, 2010 1:49 PM ET

The National Football League has suspended Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger for six games for violating the league's personal-conduct policy.

Roethlisberger will not be permitted to participate in team activities until he undergoes an evaluation. If he meets with the terms laid out by the league, he will be permitted to participate in training camp and the preseason before sitting out the start of the regular season, and he could have his suspension shortened from six games to four.

"The Personal Conduct Policy makes clear that I may impose discipline 'even where the conduct does not result in conviction of a crime' as, for example, where the conduct 'imposes inherent danger to the safety and well being of another person'," Commissioner Roger Goodell stated in his letter to Roethlisberger.

NFL suspends Ben Roethlisberger six games | ProFootballTalk.com

Forget about the Steelers going to the Super Bowl this year.
 
Though the DA in the case didn't move forward to prosecute Roethlisberger, the files were made available to the league and boy there must have been something pretty bad in there.

Yeah, I wouldn't count on the Steelers getting there either and I given some commentary I've heard on sports talk, I wonder if Roethlisberger will remain a Steeler. Rooney is not fond of bad publicity from his players, but then Ben is the QB.
 
The actually picked up the former Jacksonville Jaguar QB I think two days ago. Either way this is probably Ben's last year as a Steeler.
 
He'll get his "probation" and only be out four.

Geez. You'd think after Kobe, professional athletes would've learned. I believe wholeheartedly that it was consentual sex. I also believe that she wanted a payday or her name in the paper. She got it too.
 
Though the DA in the case didn't move forward to prosecute Roethlisberger, the files were made available to the league and boy there must have been something pretty bad in there.

Yeah, I wouldn't count on the Steelers getting there either and I given some commentary I've heard on sports talk, I wonder if Roethlisberger will remain a Steeler. Rooney is not fond of bad publicity from his players, but then Ben is the QB.
It's possible BR had some unflattering accounts in that file that didn't land a prosecution. I think minus that just the behavior of getting drunk and a random hookup that is scandal worthy was more than enough here, athletics have taken a black eye over the last 20 or so years and commissioners are not tolerating these shenanigans anymore. I think we'll see even tougher penalties soon.
 
It's possible BR had some unflattering accounts in that file that didn't land a prosecution. I think minus that just the behavior of getting drunk and a random hookup that is scandal worthy was more than enough here, athletics have taken a black eye over the last 20 or so years and commissioners are not tolerating these shenanigans anymore. I think we'll see even tougher penalties soon.


Yep, Goodell, don't play that. He's serious about moving past football's moniker: National Felony League.

He's taken tough stand after tough stand.

I agree, there are some very unsavory reports floating around about those files. It's not the first time either, so Goodell is bringng down the hammer, again.
 
Gina said:
Yep, Goodell, don't play that. He's serious about moving past football's moniker: National Felony League.

I've heard "No Fun League" infinitely more. And it's right - they take any shred of individualism out of the game. I can understand the helmet thing, because of what happened. You don't want to bank millions on a guy who could throw away his abilities on a stoppable, dumb decision.

Can't say I've ever had sex in a bar, but I've been drunk in a bar several times. I've met up with and hooked up with many women in a bar. Is it any less wrong because I'm an accountant and not a football player?

It's not a right, it's a privilege and responsibility. Blah blah blah. Football players shouldn't be held to a higher moral standard than normal people.

Pacman Jones is a cancer to the league, Vick is a malicious abuser, and Plaxico is insanely dumb to shoot himself in the leg in a night club - especially one in New York City where gun laws are oppressive. Ben tried to get a nut from some sorority bimbo in Georgia. Huge difference.
 
I've heard "No Fun League" infinitely more. And it's right - they take any shred of individualism out of the game. I can understand the helmet thing, because of what happened. You don't want to bank millions on a guy who could throw away his abilities on a stoppable, dumb decision.
Here's where I stand, it's a league contract, you represent the league and therefore ethics should be pretty solid since you kind of play to a "rated E" audience.

Can't say I've ever had sex in a bar, but I've been drunk in a bar several times. I've met up with and hooked up with many women in a bar. Is it any less wrong because I'm an accountant and not a football player?
We've all done stupid things, no argument on that one. But when you represent more than just a team in professional sports, you represent a city, fanbase, and entire league, the standards are high.

It's not a right, it's a privilege and responsibility. Blah blah blah. Football players shouldn't be held to a higher moral standard than normal people.
If I commit a minor offense as an unknown professional I can lose my license, when you sign up for something you play by the rules.

Pacman Jones is a cancer to the league
Yep, and he should be gone.
Vick is a malicious abuser
Yep, and I don't think he should have been welcomed back.
and Plaxico is insanely dumb to shoot himself in the leg in a night club - especially one in New York City where gun laws are oppressive. Ben tried to get a nut from some sorority bimbo in Georgia. Huge difference.
I think Plaxico was gun dumb, don't agree with the charges entirely, but you mentioned the circumstances and there is no argument......he was dumb and should take his legal lick and his NFL sanctions.
 
You're killin' this thread, LaMid. :bravo:

Me, I am sick and tired of hooligan spoiled rotten athletes who use their fame to abuse. They represent a league and a team, so it's part of their obligation to be sportsmen on the field, and upstanding citizens of their communities. I love Goodell for his tough approach, and I wish all other commissioners from all other professional sports do the same.
 
I heard Rooney offered Ben to the Raiders for the 8th Pick. IMO, they are dumb not to take it. Franchise QB. I think his suspension gets knocked down to 4 games. Instead, Raider choose not only to pass on Big Ben, but also not to improve their offense. Gotta love Al Davis.

Just when I want to get mad at KC for bad drafts, I think of having JaMarcus Russell, Darious Heyward-Bey and Darren McFadden on my team.
 
I've heard "No Fun League" infinitely more.

It's not a right, it's a privilege and responsibility. Blah blah blah. Football players shouldn't be held to a higher moral standard than normal people.

Pacman Jones is a cancer to the league, Vick is a malicious abuser, and Plaxico is insanely dumb to shoot himself in the leg in a night club - especially one in New York City where gun laws are oppressive. Ben tried to get a nut from some sorority bimbo in Georgia. Huge difference.


You say "No Fun League", but look at that list!! Check this out:
NFL Crimes NewsBlog

Apr 17, 2010
Just as the "Days without an Arrest" meter crept back toward double digits reportedly police arrested Browns running back Chris Jennings on Saturday. He allegedly "ran into trouble" with the doorman at The Velvet Dog, and he was jailed on suspicion of assault.

Apr 12, 2010
Seahawks' LineBacker Leroy Hill arrested, accused of assaulting girlfriend

April 1, 2010
Cleveland Browns nose tackle Shaun Rogers was arrested Thursday at Hopkins International Airport for having a loaded gun in his carry-on luggage.

April 1, 2010
Seahawks linebacker Leroy Hill pleaded guilty to a charge of marijuana possession Thursday and will serve 12 months of probation.

March 29, 2010
Dolphins/Cardinals Linebacker Joey Porter was arrested early Saturday morning in the parking lot of a fast food restaurant in Bakersfield.

March 27, 2010
Bears offensive lineman Lance Louis pled guilty Friday to misdemeanor battery.

That's just the last month.

LaMidRighter covered the rest of your points very well, so I won't go over it again.

Here's where I stand, it's a league contract, you represent the league and therefore ethics should be pretty solid since you kind of play to a "rated E" audience.

We've all done stupid things, no argument on that one. But when you represent more than just a team in professional sports, you represent a city, fanbase, and entire league, the standards are high.

If I commit a minor offense as an unknown professional I can lose my license, when you sign up for something you play by the rules.

Yep, and he should be gone. Yep, and I don't think he should have been welcomed back. I think Plaxico was gun dumb, don't agree with the charges entirely, but you mentioned the circumstances and there is no argument......he was dumb and should take his legal lick and his NFL sanctions.

Exactly.

I heard Rooney offered Ben to the Raiders for the 8th Pick. IMO, they are dumb not to take it. Franchise QB. I think his suspension gets knocked down to 4 games. Instead, Raider choose not only to pass on Big Ben, but also not to improve their offense. Gotta love Al Davis.

Just when I want to get mad at KC for bad drafts, I think of having JaMarcus Russell, Darious Heyward-Bey and Darren McFadden on my team.

The Raiders are not going to make it anywhere with Russell. Inside sports commentators say he just doesn't have the fire and commitment to lead the team and he showed up at camp weighing nearly 300 pounds. Yeah, Davis is a fool not to jump all over Roethlisberger.

:rofl @ the bolded text. I'm a Charger fan. That was funny! :mrgreen:
 
You're killin' this thread, LaMid. :bravo:

Me, I am sick and tired of hooligan spoiled rotten athletes who use their fame to abuse. They represent a league and a team, so it's part of their obligation to be sportsmen on the field, and upstanding citizens of their communities. I love Goodell for his tough approach, and I wish all other commissioners from all other professional sports do the same.
Same here. When my dad was younger we could look up to athletes for the most part, they were character individuals who believed in representing themselves to the highest degree. Well, at least they hid things better anyway:rofl.

Another thing, there is a sense of built up good will. One incident I remember well was a Tampa Bay minor league baseball player throwing equipment and getting suspended an entire season, Bernie Williams had a helmet throw bad bounce and it hit a ref. The difference was Bernie was given the benefit of the doubt because he had shown nothing but class in 15 years of playing baseball and the ref even said there couldn't be intent to hit him. The minor league player had a history of on/off the field antics so he was dealt with severely.

I have no problem granting athletes a minor slip up or even a second chance, but there is no reason to bitch when they have to pay consequences.
 
I've heard "No Fun League" infinitely more. And it's right - they take any shred of individualism out of the game. I can understand the helmet thing, because of what happened. You don't want to bank millions on a guy who could throw away his abilities on a stoppable, dumb decision.

I agree its gone too far cleaning up the image from things like touch down celebrations and other such things, at the same time its due to continually pushed boundries by players that go into business for themselves often time at the detriment to the league that caused it.

Can't say I've ever had sex in a bar, but I've been drunk in a bar several times. I've met up with and hooked up with many women in a bar. Is it any less wrong because I'm an accountant and not a football player?

Any less wrong? No.

That said, the situations aren't likely to happen similar. You're not likely to have body guards that keep anyone from entering the bathroom. You likely don't have the natural star striking appeal as a 2 time winning Superbowl Champion QB on arguably the biggest franchise in the league that is likely to cloud peoples judgement upon initial meeting and make people not bat an eye at a near 30 year old at a 20 something college bar. You're not likely going to have high priced laywers and a huge defense team that could potentially dig up every shred of personal information about the girl while intimating that if she goes forward with this every single solitary portion of her sex life is going to be drug out into the national news from now till it ends.

It's not a right, it's a privilege and responsibility. Blah blah blah. Football players shouldn't be held to a higher moral standard than normal people.

Actually, they should. What got Ben isn't that different than what you get in major corporations or management type positions. If you're an executive in a company and you get embroiled in a scandal like this you're probably having similar things happen to you? Why? Because when you enter into a job that turns you into something more than just an individual but a representitive of a greater entity then suddenly the stakes get bigger.

This is even more so with Ben who is not some faceless executive but is a person a large portion of the population knows by name, knows by face, and is familiar with an IMMEDIETELY associates with both a team and a sports league. Due to this he does have to be held accountable more than the average person because he puts far more at risk than the average person by engaging in his irresponsable behavoir. That is one of the sacrifices one must make to be making millions of dollars playing a game for a living.

Pacman Jones is a cancer to the league, Vick is a malicious abuser, and Plaxico is insanely dumb to shoot himself in the leg in a night club - especially one in New York City where gun laws are oppressive. Ben tried to get a nut from some sorority bimbo in Georgia. Huge difference.

No, Ben's a dumbass. A dumbass that gets on an interview one year for one of the network pre-shows talking about Motorcycle riding and how he doesn't wear a helmet but that's okay because he's responsible, law abiding rider that doesn't ride a sports bike and had his liscense and so since the law doesn't require it he doesn't see why its bad. Later he proceeds to wreck, on his sports bike, without a liscense, reportedly when going faster then the speed limit, that tanks his and his teams season with the injuries.

Then you have the entire thing out in Tahoe last year with the woman accusing him of rape. The team comes out and supports him, he spurns the allegations, and the public gives him the benefit of the doubt. So what doe this mental giant do? A year later he chooses to go to a college bar, find a drunk girl, drag her in a bathroom, and have sex with her in the bar bathroom while his body guards keep people out. Consensual or not, that was ****ing ridiculously dumb, doubly so given his history.

The mans an idiot and continually now, 3 out of the past 5 or 6 years, caused himself, his team, or the NFL to look bad by acting either recklessly, stupidly, or a mix of the two. This damages the league, which impacts every single team and player in the league, and its that reason he is held accountable more than Joe Average who got drunk and banged out some girl last night at the bar.`
 
Well, you're kind of hitting upon the thing I hate. Peope are automatically assumed to be role models and are measured against them as such, just because they are in the public eye for some reason, such as a talent in professional sports. I'm sorry if your kid wants to grow up to be Peyton Manning, Kobe Bryant, or Sidney Crosby, but I don't think any of them told the public that they want kids to look up to them and be like them in some way. As far as I'm concerned, they're all employees - bottom line. They receive a paycheck for desired services rendered to their employers. Should it matter that they are recognized on the street and that their employers can be seen on a television every weekend in a season?

It's the same reason why I don't think Tiger owes us a damn thing. He wasn't telling kids to emulate him. He was doing his job, and his crime gets thrown into the court of public opinion because a camera is on him and not any of us. I don't hold him to a higher standard because I can see him on the television every Sunday.

Ultimately it comes down to parents trying to pass the buck on anything. Pepole have these unreal expectations on everything that almost border on innocent ignorance. Everyone you see on TV is a good guy. Making a 20 foot jumper, hitting the wide receiver 50 yards downfield, or nailing a 15 yard put for birdie are reasons to be just like them. Sorry, I just can't think like that.
 
I actually don't give a damn about the Role Model thing. I'm fine with athlete's not being role models.

That said...

Being a "face of the franchise" does not mean one is a role model, it means that when people here "Pittsburgh Steelers" they think "Ben Rothlisberger". And usually when you think Ben Rothlisberger you think tough blue collar quarterback that knows how to win. So that whole assocation is good business for the Steelers, giving them the image of a blue collar hard working organization that is made up of winners and exemplified by their QB.

Now when you hear Rothlisberger more and more people are thinking "sleezy womanizing rapist whose a complete and utter idiot". This massively goes against the image the Pittsburg Steelers are wanting to portray for their franchise.

On an even more macro level, Ben as a QB is naturally a face of the NFL as a whole. Its one of the responsabilities that comes with being in the most high profile positions in the league, especially in one of the marque franchises in the league. The League is trying to portray itself as a business, as a respectable entity, and "rapist" or even just "Irresponsible stupid idiot" doesn't help it do that.

To me its almost like the whole GIECO voice over guy getting fired. Ben Rothlisberger, in exchange for the fame, the ability to play a game for a career, for the huge amounts of money, for the amazing perks, is saddled with the responsabilities and expectations that go along with being the face of a Franchise and a League. Due to that he has more responsabilities in regards to the actions he takes than the average every day person, because he has a lot more riding on his actions both for himself and for every other player in the NFL and every other business that interacts with the NFL.
 
I guess I'm the guy who takes things at face value. Hell, I can identify with him even more now. I like nailing drunk college chicks. I've done it for years, and if I was better looking I'd still be doing it. If I was making millions of dollars as a professional athlete, I'd probably be nailing one as we speak.

It seems the only crime he committed is playing on a team owned by Rooney. Not to mention that Goodell is a damn Nazi.
 
Back
Top Bottom