New York Primary Results Thread

[Wiggen]

Looks like the Dem establishment is doing a great job denying the people of New York their voting rights.

What an ignorant comment. The rules regarding participation in Primaries have been in effect for a long time. Why should Independents get to pick who the Democratic Candidate is in the Primary? They have no more right to participate in the Democratic Primary that do Republicans, and vice versa.

My suggestion is that Bernie file as a Socialist Candidate and, assuming there's enough time, he can appear on the General Election ballot as a Socialist.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

My suggestion is that Bernie file as a Socialist Candidate and, assuming there's enough time, he can appear on the General Election ballot as a Socialist.

Why Socialist? Why not Libertarian? He's more Libertarian than he is Socialist.

 

[Wiggen]

I agree. I predict a contested convention. Hillary had her chance at a landslide victory in NY (winning by more than 60-65%), which was desperately needed to prevent a contested DNC. It has been covered ad nausea how HRC needs more than 65% of the remaining delegates to prevent a contested DNC. Bernie is correct, too - the delegates will shift once they realize that he polls stronger than HRC against all the Republicans. I also predict that the GOP will nominate Kasich at the contested RNC. With these approximations in mind, I predict the GE will be Kasich vs. Sanders.
Kasich v. Clinton is also a possibility, the latter of these scenarios puts Kasich in the Oval.

In what universe is there a contested convention for the Democrats? Certainly not this one. She already has the nomination sewed up. Only the Bernie loons refuse to admit it.

 

[Wiggen]

Why Socialist? Why not Libertarian? He's more Libertarian than he is Socialist.

Either one is fine with me. At least that's an honest approach, instead of him pretending to be a Democrat. Although he has been elected in Vermont as a Socialist.

He's hardly a Libertarian but he can call himself whatever he likes.

 

[iguanaman]

Not a bad choice if you want the anthills kicked over. But none of that fits, Trump isn't insane and in fact he's playing this brilliantly for the most part.

If you think the fact that he saw with an "opening" in the GOP when he did his "birther" thing "brilliant" you have a very low bar. The GOP has been imploding ever since GW Bush screwed the pooch so badly. It does not take brilliance to see that. BTW Megalomania is a form of insanity.

 

[AlbqOwl]

If Independents were allowed to vote in New York, Hillary would be in trouble.

I agree. Sanders was close enough that the independents could have made a difference and most of those who favor a Democrat would likely have voted for Bernie.

Likewise, Trump likely would have won NY County giving him a 100% sweep of all New York state counties had Independents been able to vote. NY County is the most liberal and also the most establishment of all NY counties, so when it is the establishment voting, of course Clinton and Kasich are the respective preferences.

Probably the numbers would have been somewhat different had New York not had such strict voter registration laws requiring registration far in advance of the election. Both Trump and Sanders have attracted first timers into the process in unprecedented numbers--especially Sanders--and it is likely that a whole bunch of people who would have voted for one or the other were not registered to vote.

 

[shagg]

Not a bad choice if you want the anthills kicked over. But none of that fits, Trump isn't insane and in fact he's playing this brilliantly for the most part.

I'll give credit where it's due, he's played the media and the GOP pretty well so far.

 

[disneydude]

We'll just wait and see. I positively predict that Hillary will lose the GE by a landslide, if dems are dumb enough to nominate her which I have no doubt they are.

Do you have any clue as to how the electoral system works?

 

[Chomsky]

If continuing with the process means the continuation of machiavellian machinations from the Cruz folks in states like Colorado and others - that will destroy the party so the end result is the same.

Trump taking some 90 of 95 delegates in New York last night with Cruz finishing pathetically third at just 15% should be a wake up call to the GOP establishment. They can either back Trump and unite behind him or hey can screw him and his supporters over the next three months, have a travesty and mockery of a convention which pisses on the votes of the people in the primaries, and steals the nomination from him in a show of utter contempt for the process and the people.

That is their choice.

Well, yes & no.

In terms of popular vote, you are right.

But in terms of the pragmatic practicality of attaining the next Presidency through the electoral college process, NY and and other solid blue states matter little!

But if you ask me: neither of these guys are favored to win the WH, but while Cruz' failure is a foregone conclusion, Trump's inability to be defined leaves him open to possibility.

 

[calamity]

No, just people with memories who don't forget what a scumbag she has demonstrated herself to be. Nothing more nothing less.

yeah, yeah, spawn of Satan and all that. Hillary the Vince Foster Killer. :roll:

 

[Chomsky]

I wouldn't be surprised if the turn up for voting is in massive lows, since plenty of people don't like either Trump nor Hillary.

Possibly.

Or, with the two candidates in the 60-70% unfavorable ratings, the polls me be packed with 'protest' voters! :mrgreen:

What a sad state for an election!

Imagine if the majority of us vote because we despise the other guy?

Argh! :doh

 

[Hawkeye10]

Well, yes & no.

In terms of popular vote, you are right.

But in terms of the pragmatic practicality of attaining the next Presidency through the electoral college process, NY and and other solid blue states matter little!

But if you ask me: neither of these guys are favored to win the WH, but while Cruz' failure is a foregone conclusion, Trump's inability to be defined leaves him open to possibility.

Plus he has great deal making skills, plus a lot can happen between now and Nov, for instance the global economy could crash or EU could melt (we are already seeing calls for Merkel to leave because of incompetence, unimaginable 6 months ago), or a large terrorism strike on America....any of which could lend so much credibility to Trumps argument that the establishment has failed that he would be swept into office.

 

[Chomsky]

Plus he has great deal making skills, plus a lot can happen between now and Nov, for instance the global economy could crash or EU could melt (we are already seeing calls for Merkel to leave because of incompetence, unimaginable 6 months ago), or a large terrorism strike on America.

Sadly, that would play strongly in his favor.

I never go into the CT sub-section as it is; I wouldn't even go near, in that event.

 

[sKiTzo]

But we do not have a system that elect presidents that way, no matter who counts the votes.

So what do we do about it, just let it continue?

 

[reinoe]

What an ignorant comment. The rules regarding participation in Primaries have been in effect for a long time. Why should Independents get to pick who the Democratic Candidate is in the Primary? They have no more right to participate in the Democratic Primary that do Republicans, and vice versa.

My suggestion is that Bernie file as a Socialist Candidate and, assuming there's enough time, he can appear on the General Election ballot as a Socialist.

I wasn't referring to that. I was referring to people not being able to access polling stations because they were opening 2 hours late, or that the stations would open and there were either no voting machines, or all the machines were out of order. Way to take something out of context and run away with it.

 

[haymarket]

Well, yes & no.

In terms of popular vote, you are right.

But in terms of the pragmatic practicality of attaining the next Presidency through the electoral college process, NY and and other solid blue states matter little!

But if you ask me: neither of these guys are favored to win the WH, but while Cruz' failure is a foregone conclusion, Trump's inability to be defined leaves him open to possibility.

I find your observation interesting and you could be correct as this years has certainly been one of topsy turvy.

The way I look at it - Trump would destroy the Republican Party and it may not recover after top to bottom losses losing the Senate as well and allowing inroads in the House. I still see Trump losing at the top but I understand the fear that he is a wild card and thus unpredictable dying all expectations.

Cruz sure loser in November and he would also see the Senate switch control but I think he party stays intact under him the way the Dems stayed intact after the 72 loss.

So - for me - the prospect of real rivers of GOP bloodletting is just too good to pass up with Trump.

 

[calamity]

I agree. I predict a contested convention. Hillary had her chance at a landslide victory in NY (winning by more than 60-65%), which was desperately needed to prevent a contested DNC. It has been covered ad nausea how HRC needs more than 65% of the remaining delegates to prevent a contested DNC. Bernie is correct, too - the delegates will shift once they realize that he polls stronger than HRC against all the Republicans. I also predict that the GOP will nominate Kasich at the contested RNC. With these approximations in mind, I predict the GE will be Kasich vs. Sanders.
Kasich v. Clinton is also a possibility, the latter of these scenarios puts Kasich in the Oval.

Lol...

 

[robertblake60]

I wasn't referring to that. I was referring to people not being able to access polling stations because they were opening 2 hours late, or that the stations would open and there were either no voting machines, or all the machines were out of order. Way to take something out of context and run away with it.

I think everyone agrees that this stuff was/is a problem. Our election system is a joke.

But I've mainly heard from Sanders supporters how unfair this was to their candidate. I'm wondering why they think that. His support is with younger and far more passionate voters.

I would think of all the voters, the ones most likely to go home are Clinton voters (older, less enthusiastic, etc).


It's not like polling locations were just letting in Clinton supporters and locking out Sanders supporters. Both types of voters had to wait in the same lines (so did republican voters).

 

[reinoe]

Now there's a GOPer I would vote for!!
Roosevelt, amazingly, for a Repub, expanded the National Park system.
A true conservative....
Today's Repubs would put gas exploration wells in the Grand Canyon.
Imagine TR staring down Trump or Cruz at one of these debates.
While wielding a big stick.....good times!!

Teddy was a Republican when it meant you didn't have to appease jesus freaks and corporations. Speaking of which, Teddy led the fight to break up big businesses. Another true conservative that modern Republicans absolutely hate is Eisenhower. They really hate him.

 

[iguanaman]

Plus he has great deal making skills, plus a lot can happen between now and Nov, for instance the global economy could crash or EU could melt (we are already seeing calls for Merkel to leave because of incompetence, unimaginable 6 months ago), or a large terrorism strike on America....any of which could lend so much credibility to Trumps argument that the establishment has failed that he would be swept into office.

So praying for disaster is your only hope? Good luck with that. Actually going with an unknown like Trump might be the last thing voters want in the case of disaster. Stability would be a priority I think as would a candidate that knows how Washington works.

 

[sKiTzo]

So you support one Democrat over another and you prefer the one that no one actually knows what they would do. Brilliant:roll:

I support NOT the one who is a known criminal who is immune from the justice system and who has admitted she says things only to get elected, is owned by the superpacs, is a lying, secretive, vindictive, power-hungry pile of sht who has no intentions of doing anything for anybody other than herself and her cronies. Her history very clearly shows nothing but that - and you act like I'm the idiot. Who's really the idiot here? Better think long and hard.

 

[Casper]

So what do we do about it, just let it continue?

Well, we could demand an end to the Electoral College system.

 

[Hawkeye10]

So praying for disaster is your only hope? Good luck with that. Actually going with an unknown like Trump might be the last thing voters want in the case of disaster. Stability would be a priority I think as would a candidate that knows how Washington works.

I am doing no such thing, I am saying those who are claiming that Trump cant win in Nov are wrong. After 8 years of Obama the mood in the country is not wanting stability, it is wanting someone who is willing to fight, something that Trump figured out when no one else did.

 

[Casper]

I support NOT the one who is a known criminal who is immune from the justice system and who has admitted she says things only to get elected, is owned by the superpacs, is a lying, secretive, vindictive, power-hungry pile of sht who has no intentions of doing anything for anybody other than herself and her cronies. Her history very clearly shows nothing but that - and you act like I'm the idiot. Who's really the idiot here? Better think long and hard.

Oh, I know who it is alright, did not take all that much thought, just a little reading was plenty to make that determination.

Supporting one proven Liar over another, yes let's set our sights low. And people ask how we got to the point we are at.:roll:

 

[winston53660]

I am doing no such thing, I am saying those who are claiming that Trump cant win in Nov are wrong. After 8 years of Obama the mood in the country is not wanting stability, it is wanting someone who is willing to fight, something that Trump figured out when no one else did.

Fight for what?