New Single-Payer Bill Intensifies Newsom’s Political Peril

[Luther]

Wtf does this have to do with healthcare?

*sigh*

Do you not need tax revenue for your healthcare?

Yes or no?

 

[Allan]

*sigh*

Do you not need tax revenue for your healthcare?

Yes or no?

So your position is that we can't afford our system, our fully funded system, that's less than half the cost of the American system? The system that's been fully funded since 1957. That's your position?

Most Americans opposed to single-payer argue 'that won't work here'. You're arguing it won't work where it's already working.

Weakest one yet.

 

[Luther]

So your position is that we can't afford our system, our fully funded system, that's less than half the cost of the American system? The system that's been fully funded since 1957. That's your position?

Most Americans opposed to single-payer argue 'that won't work here'. You're arguing it won't work where it's already working.

Weakest one yet.

That was a great distraction from my point

I commend you

 

[Allan]

That was a great distraction from my point

I commend you

Your point that we can't afford the system we are currently enjoying, because 'fertility'. That's just weak.

 

[ttwtt78640]

That was a great distraction from my point

I commend you

It was not a distraction - he was stating facts. You seem to be using the ‘logic’ that since our Social Security and Medicare ‘Ponzi scheme’ systems are suffering from the boomer bubble that the same method of financing is used to support UHC in Canada.

 

[Luther]

Your point that we can't afford the system we are currently enjoying, because 'fertility'. That's just weak.

Actually its a great point you ether don't get or just poo poo

 

[Luther]

It was not a distraction - he was stating facts. You seem to be using the ‘logic’ that since our Social Security and Medicare ‘Ponzi scheme’ systems are suffering from the boomer bubble that the same method of financing is used to support UHC in Canada.

Things are changing there

You seem to be under the assumption that they're not

 

[Luther]

Under that logic, half of Mississippi should've already moved to Massachusetts or Minnesota. Differences in quality, cost, and accessibility of health care exist across the United States, and yet Americans are apparently quite immobile.

A similar (mistaken) point was made upthread that poor people would flock to California, ignoring the fact that California already embraced universal coverage for the poor over a decade ago when it became one of a handful of states to take up the ACA's option to expand Medicaid early.



Thus far no state has wanted to do it, which is not the same thing.

*COUGH*

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/why-vermonts-single-payer-effort-failed-and-what-democrats-can-learn-from-it/2019/04/29/c9789018-3ab8-11e9-a2cd-307b06d0257b_story.html

 

[ttwtt78640]

Things are changing there

You seem to be under the assumption that they're not

You would be better off supplying links to back up your assertions.

Healthcare in Canada - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Luther]

You would be better off supplying links to back up your assertions.

Healthcare in Canada - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You need a link to know that more non doers are coming into Canada?

Does not HC need tax revenue?

 

[Allan]

Things are changing there

Lol, so the fertility thing didn't work for you and you've decided the best approach is to double down on vague?

 

[ttwtt78640]

You need a link to know that more non doers are coming into Canada?

Does not HC need tax revenue?

Hmm... coming from someone getting publicly funded medical care and claiming to pay no FIT that is precious.

 

[Luther]

Lol, so the fertility thing didn't work for you and you've decided the best approach is to double down on vague?

More like you poo poo the Fertility point(wink)

 

[Luther]

Hmm... coming from someone getting publicly funded medical care and claiming to pay no FIT that is precious.

hey guy, I'm just the messenger

please file all complaints with your local congress critter

They make tax law(wink)

 

[Luther]

Hmm... coming from someone getting publicly funded medical care and claiming to pay no FIT that is precious.

I can see that you have succumb to the Doers paying for the non doers and the U.S. Gov pissing away the rest?

That's that old American spirit?

 

[ttwtt78640]

hey guy, I'm just the messenger

please file all complaints with your local congress critter

They make tax law(wink)

They do not make the tax (or healthcare) law in Canada. You seem to be mixing apples and oranges rather freely.

 

[Allan]

I can see that you have succumb to the Doers paying for the non doers and the U.S. Gov pissing away the rest?

That's that old American spirit?

What you're trying to do is claim that immigrants (from shithole countries as you call them) are non-doers. The guy who brags about not paying FIT is making that claim.

The unemployment rate for immigrants in Canada (who make up 21% of our current population) is very similar to the overall unemployment rate. So they pay their taxes, and help fund the system. Being younger than native born Canadians they also use the system less, so are a larger net benefit to the system.

 

[Luther]

They do not make the tax (or healthcare) law in Canada. You seem to be mixing apples and oranges rather freely.

We're now talking our politics are we not?

Hmm... coming from someone getting publicly funded medical care and claiming to pay no FIT that is precious.

We are!!!(LOL)

 

[Luther]

What you're trying to do is claim that immigrants (from shithole countries as you call them) are non-doers. The guy who brags about not paying FIT is making that claim.

The unemployment rate for immigrants in Canada (who make up 21% of our current population) is very similar to the overall unemployment rate. So they pay their taxes, and help fund the system. Being younger than native born Canadians they also use the system less, so are a larger net benefit to the system.

is very similar to the overall unemployment rate

Details please?

 

[ttwtt78640]

What you're trying to do is claim that immigrants (from shithole countries as you call them) are non-doers. The guy who brags about not paying FIT is making that claim.

The unemployment rate for immigrants in Canada (who make up 21% of our current population) is very similar to the overall unemployment rate. So they pay their taxes, and help fund the system. Being younger than native born Canadians they also use the system less, so are a larger net benefit to the system.

It is amazing that those getting a public paycheck (and paying no FIT) somehow feel that they are ‘real’ doers.

 

[Luther]

It is amazing that those getting a public paycheck (and paying no FIT) somehow feel that they are ‘real’ doers.

And its puzzling also that there are those(you) who would watch the contribution from the doer's and see the U.S. Gov piss the $$$ away(wink)

Man, Americanism sure has changed(wink)

 

[Allan]

Details please?

Overall unemployment rate 9.4%
Immigrant unemployment rate 10.4%
Immigrants make up 21% of Canada's population, one of the highest proportions in the world
Canada population demographics - overall 17.65% over the age of 65, immigrants only make up only 31% of that total.

Getting back to your original point yes we can afford UHC, yes the tax base exists to fund it. Since it was instituted in 1957 Canada's GDP has grown an average of 1.7% per year so our economy has grown well with increased immigration.

 

[Luther]

Overall unemployment rate 9.4%
Immigrant unemployment rate 10.4%
Immigrants make up 21% of Canada's population, one of the highest proportions in the world
Canada population demographics - overall 17.65% over the age of 65, immigrants only make up only 31% of that total.

Immigrant unemployment rate 10.4%

https://www.statista.com/statistics/440841/unemployment-rate-in-canada-by-immigrant-status/#:~:text=In 2020, about 10.4 percent,immigrants to Canada were unemployed.

Oh shit! So it's higher?

, one of the highest proportions in the world

Again, your experiment isn't over(wink)

 

[ttwtt78640]

And its puzzling also that there are those(you) who would watch the contribution from the doer's and see the U.S. Gov piss the $$$ away(wink)

Man, Americanism sure has changed(wink)

The biggest change in the US (lately) is that annual government spending has been consistently higher than annual government revenue as a % of GDP.

 

[Allan]

https://www.statista.com/statistics/440841/unemployment-rate-in-canada-by-immigrant-status/#:~:text=In 2020, about 10.4 percent,immigrants to Canada were unemployed.

Oh shit! So it's higher?

1% higher. Works out to 77K more immigrants based on population. A temporary situation due to Covid lockdowns. Immigrants are more impacted as they disproportionately work in hospitality industries.

Again, your experiment isn't over(wink)

But our UHC 'experiment' as you call it is working now isn't it. It's working in every country it's in place - in Germany their little 'experiment' has lasted 138 years.