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New report on Russian disinformation, prepared for the Senate, shows the operation’s scale and sweep

Mr. Invisible said:
How does him saying he wanted Trump to win the election deal with Trump's actual policies towards Russia? It doesn't change the facts on the ground that Trump has been quite hostile to Russia and Russian interests.
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Did you forget what you posted?

Mr. Invisible said:
This argument that the Russians favored Trump is insane. If you look at Trump's actual policy with regards to Russia, its actually quite hostile.
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Mr. Invisible said:
This argument that the Russians favored Trump is insane. If you look at Trump's actual policy with regards to Russia, its actually quite hostile.
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The goal of the Russians in interference here, as well as in Europe and the Baltics, is to sow discord, disunity, and chaos. It was to play on and inflame latent prejudices, racism, hatred, and fear to weaken the west. I would say they have succeeded quite nicely.
 
tres borrachos said:
Did you forget what you posted?
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Yeah and it was followed up by an argument, but please, take what I said out of context.

ataraxia said:
The goal of the Russians in interference here, as well as in Europe and the Baltics, is to sow discord, disunity, and chaos. It was to play on and inflame latent prejudices, racism, hatred, and fear to weaken the west. I would say they have succeeded quite nicely.
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IDK if you know US history, but we don't need the Russians to incite racial or just general prejudice here, like, at all.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Yeah and it was followed up by an argument, but please, take what I said out of context.




IDK if you know US history, but we don't need the Russians to incite racial or just general prejudice here, like, at all.
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Out of context? I just quoted your words.

The Russians favored Trump, exactly as Putin said, What you declared to be "insane" is historically rooted in fact and confirmed by the man's own words.

So just admit you were wrong.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Yeah and it was followed up by an argument, but please, take what I said out of context.




IDK if you know US history, but we don't need the Russians to incite racial or just general prejudice here, like, at all.
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Yeah, but it doesn’t hurt to fan the flames a little. Sometimes that’s all it takes to start a forest fire.
 
ataraxia said:
Yeah, but it doesn’t hurt to fan the flames a little. Sometimes that’s all it takes to start a forest fire.
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There's no need to fan the flames. Americans do that incredibly well already.

tres borrachos said:
Out of context? I just quoted your words.

The Russians favored Trump, exactly as Putin said, What you declared to be "insane" is historically rooted in fact and confirmed by the man's own words.

So just admit you were wrong.
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Admit that you are taking what I said out of context.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
There's no need to fan the flames. Americans do that incredibly well already.



Admit that you are taking what I said out of context.
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So you lied when you posted that? or you just had no idea what you were talking about? Which is it. It was your post - not mine.

Putin favored Trump, and admitted it. So your proclamation that "This argument that the Russians favored Trump is insane" was wrong. Fact. Nothing that happened after the election changes the fact.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
This argument that the Russians favored Trump is insane. If you look at Trump's actual policy with regards to Russia, its actually quite hostile.
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Yes that is why Flynn texted a Russian contact during the inauguration ceremony to say that is the end of the sanctions.

Also the reason trump did not enact the sanctions Congress voted for.

Yah he's real tough on Russia...
 
Mueller has also been targeted by a "misinformation" campaign by the Russians to help their boy, 45. It's been heeded by a certain faction on right-leaning media and on this and other threads at DP.
 
Lutherf said:
I wonder if there were any Russian social media posts that supported Clinton or Sanders or Bush or Christie or Kasich?

I wonder if anyone bothered looking to see if that was the case.
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Keep up. There were.
 
AncientGeek said:
The ads may or may not have been important; the disinformation posts were: Benghazi, Uranium One, …

The campaigns changed more than votes:More than changed votes:
"Man opens fire in restaurant targeted by anti-Clinton "PizzaGate" fake news conspiracy"
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/police-...ficking-story/
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Then again, maybe not.


[h=3]Clinton Foundation whistleblower's home raided by FBI[/h]https://www.onenewsnow.com/.../clinton-foundation-whistleblowers-home-raided-by-...
Dec 3, 2018 - The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) raided a whistleblower's home ... questionable practices by the Clinton Foundation and Uranium One.

[h=3]Russian Uranium One Deal And Hillary Clinton In The News Again[/h]https://www.forbes.com/.../russian-uranium-one-deal-and-hillary-clinton-in-the-news-...
5 days ago - Hillary Clinton and the 2010 Uranium One deal with Russia are back in the news. ... FBIagents raided the Maryland home of Dennis Nathan Cain just last month. ... stolen federal property and ignored his claims of whistleblower protection. .... more to do with Mueller's present investigation than with Clinton.

[h=3]Is the FBI Raiding Whistleblowers' Homes to Protect Robert Mueller?[/h]https://www.americanthinker.com/.../is_the_fbi_raiding_whistleblowers_homes_to_pr...
Dec 3, 2018 - It turns out that there was one: an FBI investigation dating back to 2009, ... and Uranium One, raid the home of the whistleblower, named Dennis ...
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Hmm. May turn out to be something there, may not.

But kinda hard to rationalize what US national interests are served by granting Russia control of 20% of a strategic resource such as uranium, especially when Russia is a uranium exporter.

Even if it isn't, and it's not for control of the strategic resource, but rather some sort of biasing or influencing of the world Uranium market price, what is in the US's national interests to help Russia make a more money, unless of course that deal was bought / bribed, and Bill did collect $1/2M for a 30 minute 'speech' in Moscow.

Yeah, this really stinks to high heaven, and seems that there's more Russian collusion here than in the Trump campaign.
 
hanger4 said:
Is Trump The Toughest Ever On Russia?

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/20/630659379/is-trump-the-toughest-ever-on-russia

Putin's well aware.
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From the NPR article you linked (which talks about #45 having tough policies toward Russia):
"There's a real disconnect between the president's words and the underlying policy," said Richard Fontaine, president of the Center for a New American Security.
While Trump has no qualms about criticizing leaders of allied countries like Germany's Angela Merkel, Canada's Justin Trudeau or the U.K.'s Theresa May, he almost always treats Putin with kid gloves.
"The president very rarely speaks about Putin's transgressions and when asked about them expresses the hope that everyone can get along," said Fontaine, a former national security adviser to Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.
 
eohrnberger said:
Then again, maybe not.


[h=3]Clinton Foundation whistleblower's home raided by FBI[/h]https://www.onenewsnow.com/.../clinton-foundation-whistleblowers-home-raided-by-...
Dec 3, 2018 - The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) raided a whistleblower's home ... questionable practices by the Clinton Foundation and Uranium One.

[h=3]Russian Uranium One Deal And Hillary Clinton In The News Again[/h]https://www.forbes.com/.../russian-uranium-one-deal-and-hillary-clinton-in-the-news-...
5 days ago - Hillary Clinton and the 2010 Uranium One deal with Russia are back in the news. ... FBIagents raided the Maryland home of Dennis Nathan Cain just last month. ... stolen federal property and ignored his claims of whistleblower protection. .... more to do with Mueller's present investigation than with Clinton.

[h=3]Is the FBI Raiding Whistleblowers' Homes to Protect Robert Mueller?[/h]https://www.americanthinker.com/.../is_the_fbi_raiding_whistleblowers_homes_to_pr...
Dec 3, 2018 - It turns out that there was one: an FBI investigation dating back to 2009, ... and Uranium One, raid the home of the whistleblower, named Dennis ...
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Hmm. May turn out to be something there, may not.

But kinda hard to rationalize what US national interests are served by granting Russia control of 20% of a strategic resource such as uranium, especially when Russia is a uranium exporter.

Even if it isn't, and it's not for control of the strategic resource, but rather some sort of biasing or influencing of the world Uranium market price, what is in the US's national interests to help Russia make a more money, unless of course that deal was bought / bribed, and Bill did collect $1/2M for a 30 minute 'speech' in Moscow.

Yeah, this really stinks to high heaven, and seems that there's more Russian collusion here than in the Trump campaign.
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Again; Clinton did not "make" the Uranium One deal:
Jose Fernandez, who was the assistant secretary of state for economic, energy and business affairs when the Uranium One deal was approved, told the Times that Clinton “never intervened with me on any [Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States] matter."
Beyond the State Department, eight other government agencies approved the Uranium One sale.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/14/hillary-clinton-uranium-one-deal-russia-explainer-244895
 
AncientGeek said:
Again; Clinton did not "make" the Uranium One deal:
Jose Fernandez, who was the assistant secretary of state for economic, energy and business affairs when the Uranium One deal was approved, told the Times that Clinton “never intervened with me on any [Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States] matter."
Beyond the State Department, eight other government agencies approved the Uranium One sale.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/14/hillary-clinton-uranium-one-deal-russia-explainer-244895
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So why'd the Russians give Bill the $1/2M 30 minute speech payoff?

Hillary may not have officially discussed the matter with Fernandez, but that doesn't mean she couldn't, or didn't, put her thumb on the scales behind the scenes.
I hear a $1/2M buys a lot of Clinton for the money.
 
AncientGeek said:
From the NPR article you linked (which talks about #45 having tough policies toward Russia):
"There's a real disconnect between the president's words and the underlying policy," said Richard Fontaine, president of the Center for a New American Security.
While Trump has no qualms about criticizing leaders of allied countries like Germany's Angela Merkel, Canada's Justin Trudeau or the U.K.'s Theresa May, he almost always treats Putin with kid gloves.
"The president very rarely speaks about Putin's transgressions and when asked about them expresses the hope that everyone can get along," said Fontaine, a former national security adviser to Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.
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Your point ??
 
Moderate Right said:
There is also zero proof that anything Russia did actually changed any election results.
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And there is zero proof that when Anheuser-Busch spends $6 million on a thirty second ad during the Super Bowl it sells even a single can of beer. Yet, they continue to buy those expensive ads year after year. I'll bet the Russians also consider their money well spent.

Yeah, it's all just marketing, and everyone knows marketing has no effect whatsoever on buying habits or election results. That's why Apple and the Koch brothers spend their money on these useless endeavors.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
But conservatives sweared to us that they could never be duped by memes and slogans. They are the hard-core intellectuals who think about things logically without any emotion.
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Hey Republicans were going to vote for him anyway it was Democrats that jumped ship that got him elected. :lol:
 
AncientGeek said:
From the NPR article you linked (which talks about #45 having tough policies toward Russia):
"There's a real disconnect between the president's words and the underlying policy," said Richard Fontaine, president of the Center for a New American Security.
While Trump has no qualms about criticizing leaders of allied countries like Germany's Angela Merkel, Canada's Justin Trudeau or the U.K.'s Theresa May, he almost always treats Putin with kid gloves.
"The president very rarely speaks about Putin's transgressions and when asked about them expresses the hope that everyone can get along," said Fontaine, a former national security adviser to Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.
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Yes Trump criticizes Merkel for wanting to put her country under control of Putin by buying natural gas to heat their homes with when the could buy CNG from us. And at they same time they don't pay their fair share of NATO while we shoulder a disproportionate burden for their defense. In case you haven't noticed strengthening NATO and trying to kill Putin's gas deal is not in Putin's best interest. Its not a great idea to become openly hostile with the power that has more nuclear missiles and bombers aimed at us than any other country.

It is no secret that McCain and Trump had bad blood and that many in the Republican party considered McCain as a RINO. I'm not surprised that his former national security advisor would be critical of Trump.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
This argument that the Russians favored Trump is insane. If you look at Trump's actual policy with regards to Russia, its actually quite hostile.
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So long as he's not lobbing nukes at them or sending a full-on ground invasion, I don't think the Russians care so much about our policy toward them. Economic sanctions are nothing to them--we're talking about a people who endure so much hardship they make games of suicide and think nothing of sacrificing forty million people to win a war. Their peasants regularly endure winters that stomped two of the best armies the world has ever seen (Napoleon's Grande Armee and Hitler's Wehrmacht). Russians are crazy and tough, and Putin knows that. They feel the pain we inflict economically, but they can take way more than we can dish out.

What they do care about is that our country be polarized and that our institutions be undermined. The whole point is to make us weaker so as to allow Russia to gain ground internationally. And it's working--Trump questions our traditional alliances, and Russia figures in a few years it can start making friendly gestures toward former allies of ours that we've pissed off. They reckon they can gradually evict us from the Middle East, which is where the endgame on petro-wealth is going to be played out, again by making sure we elect people who will piss the wrong people off. Racist tensions that have been simmering in the background are coming to the fore, forcing us to expend time, energy, and attention on those problems rather than on what Russia is doing. And so on.
 
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Parrish said:
From your posts ,the point being that maybe the Russians were successful in their ongoing misinformation campaigns.
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So Trump is nice to Putin in public and behind the scenes Trump has been tougher on Putin than previous Presidents so that means Trump is thanking Putin for the help ?? Obviously you didn't think that through. :roll:
 
hanger4 said:
So Trump is nice to Putin in public and behind the scenes Trump has been tougher on Putin than previous Presidents so that means Trump is thanking Putin for the help ?? Obviously you didn't think that through. :roll:
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Because Russia couldn't be using disinformation, giving up a little to get a lot. That would be cheating. :roll:
 
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