New Mexico Governor (Lujan Grisham) Unconstitutional Order Sparks Calls For Impeachment

[SkyChief]

A few days ago, NM Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham issued an order to suspend the Second Amendment and ban possession of firearms in some cities, which violates New Mexico's Bill of Rights with regards to open carry, and violates the 2nd Amendment:

Gov Grisham said
"Effective IMMEDIATELY - No person other than law enforcement officer or licensed security officer shall possess a firearm - either openly or concealed."

This flagrantly violates both NM State and Federal statutes regarding the Right of the People to keep and bear arms.

(There are many threads on this subject, but this thread is specifically about the rationale and protocols for impeachment. It is presumed that Governor Grisham must have considered this implication before issuing the unlawful dictate. Please let's keep the discussion about the impeachment - not about the need for gun control - the other threads (in the Gun Control Sub-forum) discuss the need for gun control.)


NM State representatives Stefani Lord and John Block are calling for the impeachment of Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham.
"I am calling on counsel to begin the impeachment process against Governor Grisham. This is an abhorrent attempt at imposing a radical, progressive agenda on an unwilling populace. Rather than addressing crime at its core, Governor Grisham is restricting the rights of law-abiding gun owners,” said Rep. Lord.

"We need to impeach [the Governor] and that's something that I don't take lightly. But unfortunately, we need to do it because if we don't start here, it's going to seep through the entire nation. We're going to have governors all across the country think that they can just throw the Constitution in a paper shredder and see it go." - Rep. John Block

Bernalillo County Sheriff, John Allen, said:
“This order will not do anything to curb gun violence other than punish law-abiding citizens from their constitutional right to self-defense . . . . I am wary of placing my deputies in positions that could lead to civil liability conflicts, as well as the potential risks posed by prohibiting law-abiding citizens from their constitutional right to self-defense.”
To which, Governor Grisham stupidly responded:
“I don’t need a lecture on constitutionality from Sheriff Allen: what I need is action."

The rationale behind impeachment is that Governor Grisham flagrantly violated her solemn oath to uphold and protect the Constitution of New Mexico and the United States. Impeachment is the legal and Constitutional process to unseat a rogue governor.

source: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...-gun-ban-draws-bipartisan-backlash-rcna104500

IMO the governor should be expeditiously impeached and removed. It would send a good message to governors of other states about violating the Constitutional Rights of their citizens.

 

[Luce]

I am inclined to agree.

Also, knee-jerk, simplistic reactions to complex problems never end well.

 

[Jessie C]

SEVERE OVER-KILL. I think she had a come-to-Jesus-moment that went bad.

She set herself up for an avalanche of shit because she didn't think this through. Let's see how she tries to maneuver out of this one.

She's done a grave disservice to states trying to find a pathway to safer gun laws by pullng this shit.

 

[BirdinHand]

Let them get their legislature 1. Called into session (not due back until January) and 2. Impeach her.

Doubt they will. Sounds like posturing

 

[Integrityrespec]

A few days ago, NM Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham issued an order to suspend the Second Amendment and ban possession of firearms in some cities, which violates New Mexico's Bill of Rights with regards to open carry, and violates the 2nd Amendment:

Gov Grisham said
"Effective IMMEDIATELY - No person other than law enforcement officer or licensed security officer shall possess a firearm - either openly or concealed."

This flagrantly violates both NM State and Federal statutes regarding the Right of the People to keep and bear arms.

(There are many threads on this subject, but this thread is specifically about the rationale and protocols for impeachment. It is presumed that Governor Grisham must have considered this implication before issuing the unlawful dictate. Please let's keep the discussion about the impeachment - not about the need for gun control - the other threads (in the Gun Control Sub-forum) discuss the need for gun control.)


NM State representatives Stefani Lord and John Block are calling for the impeachment of Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham.
"I am calling on counsel to begin the impeachment process against Governor Grisham. This is an abhorrent attempt at imposing a radical, progressive agenda on an unwilling populace. Rather than addressing crime at its core, Governor Grisham is restricting the rights of law-abiding gun owners,” said Rep. Lord.

"We need to impeach [the Governor] and that's something that I don't take lightly. But unfortunately, we need to do it because if we don't start here, it's going to seep through the entire nation. We're going to have governors all across the country think that they can just throw the Constitution in a paper shredder and see it go." - Rep. John Block

Bernalillo County Sheriff, John Allen, said:
“This order will not do anything to curb gun violence other than punish law-abiding citizens from their constitutional right to self-defense . . . . I am wary of placing my deputies in positions that could lead to civil liability conflicts, as well as the potential risks posed by prohibiting law-abiding citizens from their constitutional right to self-defense.”
To which, Governor Grisham stupidly responded:
“I don’t need a lecture on constitutionality from Sheriff Allen: what I need is action."

The rationale behind impeachment is that Governor Grisham flagrantly violated her solemn oath to uphold and protect the Constitution of New Mexico and the United States. Impeachment is the legal and Constitutional process to unseat a rogue governor.

source: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...-gun-ban-draws-bipartisan-backlash-rcna104500

IMO the governor should be expeditiously impeached and removed. It would send a good message to governors of other states about violating the Constitutional Rights of their citizens.

This is what we are seeing from democrats, abuse of power, ignoring the laws of the land, striping the rights of the Constitution away because they don't like them.

 

[bongsaway]

A few days ago, NM Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham issued an order to suspend the Second Amendment and ban possession of firearms in some cities, which violates New Mexico's Bill of Rights with regards to open carry, and violates the 2nd Amendment:

Gov Grisham said
"Effective IMMEDIATELY - No person other than law enforcement officer or licensed security officer shall possess a firearm - either openly or concealed."

This flagrantly violates both NM State and Federal statutes regarding the Right of the People to keep and bear arms.

(There are many threads on this subject, but this thread is specifically about the rationale and protocols for impeachment. It is presumed that Governor Grisham must have considered this implication before issuing the unlawful dictate. Please let's keep the discussion about the impeachment - not about the need for gun control - the other threads (in the Gun Control Sub-forum) discuss the need for gun control.)


NM State representatives Stefani Lord and John Block are calling for the impeachment of Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham.
"I am calling on counsel to begin the impeachment process against Governor Grisham. This is an abhorrent attempt at imposing a radical, progressive agenda on an unwilling populace. Rather than addressing crime at its core, Governor Grisham is restricting the rights of law-abiding gun owners,” said Rep. Lord.

"We need to impeach [the Governor] and that's something that I don't take lightly. But unfortunately, we need to do it because if we don't start here, it's going to seep through the entire nation. We're going to have governors all across the country think that they can just throw the Constitution in a paper shredder and see it go." - Rep. John Block

Bernalillo County Sheriff, John Allen, said:
“This order will not do anything to curb gun violence other than punish law-abiding citizens from their constitutional right to self-defense . . . . I am wary of placing my deputies in positions that could lead to civil liability conflicts, as well as the potential risks posed by prohibiting law-abiding citizens from their constitutional right to self-defense.”
To which, Governor Grisham stupidly responded:
“I don’t need a lecture on constitutionality from Sheriff Allen: what I need is action."

The rationale behind impeachment is that Governor Grisham flagrantly violated her solemn oath to uphold and protect the Constitution of New Mexico and the United States. Impeachment is the legal and Constitutional process to unseat a rogue governor.

source: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...-gun-ban-draws-bipartisan-backlash-rcna104500

IMO the governor should be expeditiously impeached and removed. It would send a good message to governors of other states about violating the Constitutional Rights of their citizens.

Offhand, do you have any idea of how many law abiding citizens with legally purchased firearms have been involved in a mass shooting? I'm pretty sure there have been at least a few. I know nothing about his except what I'm reading here and I love it. Many things republican lawmakers pass in their state they know are unconstitutional but they do it and make the democrats try to undo it. So, karma baby.

 

[MamboDervish]

This is what we are seeing from democrats, ....

No. It's what we're seeing from HER!

 

[SkyChief]

Offhand, do you have any idea of how many law abiding citizens with legally purchased firearms have been involved in a mass shooting?

We're only discussing the constitutional aspect of Gov. Grisham's order, and the path forward to her Impeachment.

I'm pretty sure there have been at least a few. I know nothing about his except what I'm reading here and I love it. . . .

There are many other threads that discuss Grisham's reason for her unconstitutional dictate (these threads can be found in the Gun Control Sub-forum)

 

[mrjurrs]

A few days ago, NM Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham issued an order to suspend the Second Amendment and ban possession of firearms in some cities, which violates New Mexico's Bill of Rights with regards to open carry, and violates the 2nd Amendment:

Gov Grisham said
"Effective IMMEDIATELY - No person other than law enforcement officer or licensed security officer shall possess a firearm - either openly or concealed."

This flagrantly violates both NM State and Federal statutes regarding the Right of the People to keep and bear arms.

(There are many threads on this subject, but this thread is specifically about the rationale and protocols for impeachment. It is presumed that Governor Grisham must have considered this implication before issuing the unlawful dictate. Please let's keep the discussion about the impeachment - not about the need for gun control - the other threads (in the Gun Control Sub-forum) discuss the need for gun control.)


NM State representatives Stefani Lord and John Block are calling for the impeachment of Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham.
"I am calling on counsel to begin the impeachment process against Governor Grisham. This is an abhorrent attempt at imposing a radical, progressive agenda on an unwilling populace. Rather than addressing crime at its core, Governor Grisham is restricting the rights of law-abiding gun owners,” said Rep. Lord.

"We need to impeach [the Governor] and that's something that I don't take lightly. But unfortunately, we need to do it because if we don't start here, it's going to seep through the entire nation. We're going to have governors all across the country think that they can just throw the Constitution in a paper shredder and see it go." - Rep. John Block

Bernalillo County Sheriff, John Allen, said:
“This order will not do anything to curb gun violence other than punish law-abiding citizens from their constitutional right to self-defense . . . . I am wary of placing my deputies in positions that could lead to civil liability conflicts, as well as the potential risks posed by prohibiting law-abiding citizens from their constitutional right to self-defense.”
To which, Governor Grisham stupidly responded:
“I don’t need a lecture on constitutionality from Sheriff Allen: what I need is action."

The rationale behind impeachment is that Governor Grisham flagrantly violated her solemn oath to uphold and protect the Constitution of New Mexico and the United States. Impeachment is the legal and Constitutional process to unseat a rogue governor.

source: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...-gun-ban-draws-bipartisan-backlash-rcna104500

IMO the governor should be expeditiously impeached and removed. It would send a good message to governors of other states about violating the Constitutional Rights of their citizens.

Like the AL governor? Rights are rights, and no right is superior to the others.

 

[Slavister]

A few days ago, NM Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham issued an order to suspend the Second Amendment and ban possession of firearms in some cities

...

Gov Grisham said
"Effective IMMEDIATELY - No person other than law enforcement officer or licensed security officer shall possess a firearm - either openly or concealed."

This is BS.

Complete misrepresentation of the article.

That quote does NOT appear in the OP article or anywhere else according to Google. Apparently you made it up.

Here is an actual quote: "Lujan Grisham, a Democrat, on Friday announced a 30-day ban on the right to carry open or concealed firearms in public in an effort to curb gun violence and illegal drug use in Albuquerque and Bernalillo County."

It's temporary.

It says nothing about banning possession of guns.

It's geographically limited.

I am not stating it's a good order. Just that OP completely misrepresented what she did.

P.S. @Luce , @Jessie C , @MamboDervish , @BirdinHand , @mrjurrs - just FYI in case you did not read the article and went by fake quotes in the OP... (not saying you'd change anything you had said)

 

[noonereal]

IMO the governor should be expeditiously impeached and removed. It would send a good message to governors of other states about violating the Constitutional Rights of their citizens

Yeah, emergency powers should be off the table at all times.

Morons should always just do what they want.

Frankly, I don't even understand why the police respond to mass shooting events.
They are interfering with the rights of the shooter..

 

[noonereal]

unconstitutional dictate

 

[SkyChief]

Like the AL governor? . . .

Did Alabama's governor deny Constitutional Rights to the citizens of Alabama?

 

[mrjurrs]

Did Alabama's governor deny Constitutional Rights to the citizens of Alabama?

Yes, voting rights.

 

[Mycroft]

A few quotes from this governor...

“No constitutional right, in my view, including my oath, is intended to be absolute,”

“There will be a legal challenge and I can’t tell you that we win it,”

​

This governor is attempting to establish a precedent that allows a governor (or a president) to simply "declare an emergency" and thereby allow the disregard for the Constitution of a state or the nation...and she is willing to violate her Oath of Office to succeed in establishing this precedence.

She should be run out of office on a rail.

 

[SkyChief]

Yes, voting rights.

Alabama Governor Bentley faced impeachment because he used State money to cover up an affair he had with an aide.

His impeachment had nothing to do with voting rights.

 

[SkyChief]

...This is BS.

Complete misrepresentation of the article.

That quote does NOT appear in the OP article or anywhere else according to Google. Apparently you made it up.

FALSE. I did NOT make it up. It's a documented FACT. You're just claiming that its BS because you don't have an argument.

Here is a link to the Governor's statement, which I correctly quoted:

https://apnews.com/article/albuquer...rry-firearms-3fbe91683934057fe3036ccf187a7f1c

Anyways, you have no argument, and your flawed position is based on misinformation and radical leftist views.

"The lesson liberals need to learn is that despite their arrogance, they do not have the power to alter reality." - Walter E. Williams

 

[Slavister]

FALSE. I did NOT make it up. It's a documented FACT. You're just claiming that its BS because you don't have an argument.

Here is a link to the Governor's statement, which I correctly quoted:

https://apnews.com/article/albuquer...rry-firearms-3fbe91683934057fe3036ccf187a7f1c

Anyways, you have no argument, and your flawed position is based on misinformation and radical leftist views.

1. Your quote did not come from the link you posted. Normally if you quote something you should be posting the link to the quote. (In fact, I am sure you did not get it from AP article you later found since what you quoted does not match precisely what it says. I am guessing you did not us to know your real source.)

2. Your OP still misrepresents what she did. Despite that quote she did NOT ban gun possession. Only carry in public. And only for 30 days on an emergency basis. And only in 2 counties with special problems. You misrepresented all this in your OP.

 

[MamboDervish]

1. Your quote did not come from the link you posted. Normally if you quote something you should be posting the link to the quote. (In fact, I am sure you did not get it from AP article you later found since what you quoted does not match precisely what it says. I am guessing you did not us to know your real source.)

2. Your OP still misrepresents what she did. Despite that quote she did NOT ban gun possession. Only carry in public. And only for 30 days on an emergency basis. And only in 2 counties with special problems. You misrepresented all this in your OP.

Misrepresentation is not uncommon among the hair-on-fire “O.M.G. - THEY’RE COMING TO TAKE OUR GUNS AWAY!” crowd.

But it just stands to reason. If they weren’t already such a terrified lot, many of them wouldn’t think they need guns to begin with.

 

[SkyChief]

1. Your quote did not come from the link you posted. Normally if you quote something you should be posting the link to the quote.

Don't lecture me, boy. You screwed up by claiming BS on something that wasn't BS.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt." - Maurice Switzer

(In fact, I am sure you did not get it from AP article you later found since what you quoted does not match precisely what it says. I am guessing you did not us to know your real source.)

2. Your OP still misrepresents what she did. Despite that quote she did NOT ban gun possession. Only carry in public.

The sheer ignorance in this statement is ASTOUNDING. Of COURSE she banned gun possession. She banned carrying them in public. Does the governor have the power and authority to make dictates which violate the U.S. Constitution? Nope.

In fact, NOBODY DOES.

The MASSIVE elephant in the room that all you gun grabbers ignore is that the U.S. Constitution explicitly states that "the Right to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

it DOES NOT state "the Right to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed. . . . except when some lunatic governor says it shall."
LOL you people are hilarious.

And only for 30 days on an emergency basis. And only in 2 counties with special problems. You misrepresented all this in your OP.

Governor Lujan Grisham is testing the waters. She is trying to establish a slippery slope to gun bans in New Mexico. She knows that if she gets away with this "temporary" gun ban, it will give other states the green light to do the same. And then the "temporary" bans will eventually become permanent gun bans.

Lujan Grisham needs to be impeached, convicted, and promptly removed from office. She is a disgrace, IMO.

 

[MamboDervish]

The sheer ignorance in this statement is ASTOUNDING. Of COURSE she banned gun possession. She banned carrying them in public. Does the governor have the power and authority to make dictates which violate the U.S. Constitution? Nope.

In fact, NOBODY DOES.

The MASSIVE elephant in the room that all you gun grabbers ignore is that the U.S. Constitution explicitly states that "the Right to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

And yet our own Supreme Court has upheld both carry and possession restrictions many times throughout our history. I'll go out on a limb and side with their historic interpretations of the Constitution over your own. In fact, interpreting the Constitution is their job - not your.

BTW, since we're cherry picking the 2nd today, what "militia" do you belong to?
I'm sure it must be "well regulated" .... right?

 

[SkyChief]

BTW, since we're cherry picking the 2nd today, what "militia" do you belong to?

You've perfectly demonstrated the ignorance of the left with this question.

The premise of your question is false, and based on a PROFOUND misunderstanding of the 2 clauses in the Second Amendment.

I'm sure it must be "well regulated" .... right?

You have no idea what the term "well regulated" even means (in context of the 2A).

 

[MamboDervish]

You've perfectly demonstrated the ignorance of the left with this question.

The premise of your question is false, and based on a PROFOUND misunderstanding of the 2 clauses in the Second Amendment.

Reread my post #21 starting with, "And yet ... "

Let me know when you get it.

Or not if you never do.

 

[SkyChief]

Reread my post #21 starting with, "And yet ... "

Let me know when you get it.

Or not if you never do.

That was the old, defective Supreme Court. The New, Improved SCOTUS is reversing unconstitutional gun bans of the past.

In June last year SCOTUS declared that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to carry a handgun in public for self-defense.
https://www.reuters.com/legal/gover...ew-york-limits-concealed-handguns-2022-06-23/

NOTICE THE WORDS "IN PUBLIC".

These are very important words. Lujan Grisham's gun ban bans guns "IN PUBLIC".

Governor Lujan Grisham is testing the waters. She is trying to establish a slippery slope to gun bans in New Mexico. She knows that if she gets away with this "temporary" gun ban, it will give other states the green light to do the same. And then the "temporary" bans will eventually become permanent gun bans.

Lujan Grisham needs to be impeached, convicted, and promptly removed from office. She is a disgrace.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

It is performative bullshit and blatantly unconstitutional.