New Mexico Governor (Lujan Grisham) Unconstitutional Order Sparks Calls For Impeachment

[SkyChief]

Thankfully a U.S. District Judge blocked the rogue governor's unlawful ban on bearing arms in public spaces.

Judge David Urias declared the Lujan-Grisham gun ban NULL AND VOID, stating that it directly violates the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

"Governor Grisham's tyranny is temporarily in check today," - Dudley Brown

Now that the New Mexico gun ban has been overturned, it is time to remove the tyrant governor from office.

 

[SkyChief]

and again when I read the statement it seems the law pointing to having the weapon on your person. Not saying you cannot own a weapon.

"Effective IMMEDIATELY - No person other than law enforcement officer or licensed security officer shall POSSESS a firearm - either openly or concealed."
(I capitalized the word POSSESS for emphasis)
It explicitly states that you cannot POSSESS a firearm UNLESS you are a law enforcement officer OR a licensed security officer. This requires no translation. She is imposing a gun ban on everyone (EXCEPT law enforcement officers and licensed security officers.)

imo, the order is poorly written.

Grisham's Order is unlawfully written. . . . it violates the New Mexico Constitution.

Do you expect the State to go to each house and confiscate the firearms?
imo, some are reading what they want into the order.

Governor Grisham didn't suggest that they would go door to door confiscating guns. She said that "offenders" would be fined $5000. But thankfully, the law enforcement officials said that they would not enforce Grisham's dictate, as it violated the New Mexico Constitution.

So what is your solution to the gun violence in NM and other States?

Guns aren't violent - they are inanimate objects. Left untouched, a gun won't harm anyone.

 

[Slavister]

Nah. You're VERY frustrated. Your position is flawed, and you've painted yourself into a corner.

You're desperate. There is no denying that. Don't feel bad - - - other gun-grabbers are as just as desperate as you!

Hopefully, the Constitution will prevail. The rogue governor needs to be impeached.

the guy who could not read his own source ...

 

[Loulit01]

Knock down her temporary ban, fine. Allow everyone 18 and over to walk around strapped with no permit or training, fine.

I don't have to argue for gun control. The number of innocent people shot to death does it for me.

 

[mike2810]

"Effective IMMEDIATELY - No person other than law enforcement officer or licensed security officer shall POSSESS a firearm - either openly or concealed."

Which means for the cooling off period one cannot carry a firearm. You can still own one.

(I capitalized the word POSSESS for emphasis)
It explicitly states that you cannot POSSESS a firearm UNLESS you are a law enforcement officer OR a licensed security officer. This requires no translation. She is imposing a gun ban on everyone (EXCEPT law enforcement officers and licensed security officers.)

It is the rest of the sentence you are ignoring. I see it is you can own a firearm, but you just can't take it with you during the 30 day shutdown.

Grisham's Order is unlawfully written. . . . it violates the New Mexico Constitution.

Governor Grisham didn't suggest that they would go door to door confiscating guns. She said that "offenders" would be fined $5000. But thankfully, the law enforcement officials said that they would not enforce Grisham's dictate, as it violated the New Mexico Constitution.

Guns aren't violent - they are inanimate objects. Left untouched, a gun won't harm anyone.

What is your solution for the number of shootings.

 

[cpwill]

So, are Democrats going to support impeachment, or, are they going to act like Republicans?

 

[SkyChief]

. . . It is the rest of the sentence you are ignoring. I see it is you can own a firearm, but you just can't take it with you during the 30 day shutdown.

The "shutdown" as you call it violates the Second Amendment. . . whether it's for 30 hours, 30 days or 30 years.

The second Amendment does not state:

A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed - EXCEPT for 30-day shutdowns. Shutdowns are acceptable infringements."

LOL

What is your solution for the number of shootings.

Outlaw ammunition. (i'm joking of course)

 

[mike2810]

The "shutdown" as you call it violates the Second Amendment. . . whether it's for 30 hours, 30 days or 30 years.

The second Amendment does not state:

A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed - EXCEPT for 30-day shutdowns. Shutdowns are acceptable infringements."

LOL

Outlaw ammunition. (i'm joking of course)

sigh.
I have heard that argument before.
The courts will decide.
I personally believe you are reading too much into it.

I remember reading papers on what is a "militia" and how it applies to todays America. Many authors could not agree on what it means.

 

[mrjurrs]

We're talking about the unlawful order that Governor Lujan-Grisham made. Her gun ban violates both the New Mexico Constitution AND the U.S. constitution - BOTH statutes state that a citizen has the Right to keep and bear Arms. - - without infringements.

BULLSHIT.

The governor's dictate EXPLICITLY prevents the People from the possession of guns. The only individuals excepted from the dictate are law enforcement officers and licensed security officers.

The governor's dictate is in direct violation of the Second Amendment, and requires an IMMEDIATE impeachment/removal from office.

If Gersham's impeachment doesn't happen, then this will give the green light to other rogue gun-grabber governors to pass equally stupid laws/directives.

In order to preserve the Republic, constitutional infringements must be properly pursued, and upheld. Governor Lujan-Grisham must be impeached.

The 2nd is not absolute. Executives (both federally and in the states) have emergency powers that allow them to do things to deal with that emergency. Still likely unconstitutional.

 

[SkyChief]

The 2nd is not absolute.

Actually, it IS absolute.

In fact, the 2nd Amendment is the ONE AND ONLY part of the Constitution which is absolute. The 2nd Amendment is the only amendment that has the four words

". . . SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" to make it crystal clear that this Right IS absolute. There are NO provisions for exceptions in the 2nd Amendment.

NONE.

Executives (both federally and in the states) have emergency powers that allow them to do things to deal with that emergency. Still likely unconstitutional.

Emergency infringements on Civil Rights violate the U.S. Constitution, and are therefore, unlawful. No American should obey an unlawful order. No governmennt should have the power to take away (or suspend ) Rights guarnteed to the People by our Constitution.

 

[Loulit01]

Actually, it IS absolute.

In fact, the 2nd Amendment is the ONE AND ONLY part of the Constitution which is absolute. The 2nd Amendment is the only amendment that has the four words

". . . SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" to make it crystal clear that this Right IS absolute. There are NO provisions for exceptions in the 2nd Amendment.

NONE.



Emergency infringements on Civil Rights violate the U.S. Constitution, and are therefore, unlawful. No American should obey an unlawful order. No governmennt should have the power to take away (or suspend ) Rights guarnteed to the People by our Constitution.

So if the 2nd is absolute the gun charges against Hunter are bogus, no?

 

[mrjurrs]

Actually, it IS absolute.

In fact, the 2nd Amendment is the ONE AND ONLY part of the Constitution which is absolute. The 2nd Amendment is the only amendment that has the four words

". . . SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" to make it crystal clear that this Right IS absolute. There are NO provisions for exceptions in the 2nd Amendment.

NONE.



Emergency infringements on Civil Rights violate the U.S. Constitution, and are therefore, unlawful. No American should obey an unlawful order. No governmennt should have the power to take away (or suspend ) Rights guarnteed to the People by our Constitution.

Wrong again...

National Firearms Act of 1934

 

[SkyChief]

So if the 2nd is absolute the gun charges against Hunter are bogus, no?

This thread is about the Constitutional grounds for impeachment of Governor Lujan-Grisham.

Wrong again...

National Firearms Act of 1934

Ooooof.. LOL.

The National Firearms Act of 1934 was not an infringement on the Right to keep and bear arms. The Act merely applied a Stamp Tax on entities which sold , imported and manufactures certain types of weapons.

 

[mrjurrs]

This thread is about the Constitutional grounds for impeachment of Governor Lujan-Grisham.

Ooooof.. LOL.

The National Firearms Act of 1934 was not an infringement on the Right to keep and bear arms. The Act merely applied a Stamp Tax on entities which sold , imported and manufactures certain types of weapons.

You can get a tax stamp for a sawed-off shotgun"? I don't think so. We were talking about the absolutism of the 2nd, not whether it was an infringement or not.
Here's another one...
"18 U.S.C. 922(g) is the federal law that prohibits anyone ever convicted of any felony to ever possess any firearm either inside or outside of his home. The federal punishment for firearm possession by a felon is up to 10 years in prison."

Firearms Restrictions | U.S. Probation Office, District of Nevada

Information about firearms restrictions.

www.nvp.uscourts.gov

 

[Loulit01]

This thread is about the Constitutional grounds for impeachment of Governor Lujan-Grisham.

Just answer the question.

Ooooof.. LOL.

The National Firearms Act of 1934 was not an infringement on the Right to keep and bear arms. The Act merely applied a Stamp Tax on entities which sold , imported and manufactures certain types of weapons.

 

[eohrnberger]

A few days ago, NM Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham issued an order to suspend the Second Amendment and ban possession of firearms in some cities, which violates New Mexico's Bill of Rights with regards to open carry, and violates the 2nd Amendment:

Gov Grisham said
"Effective IMMEDIATELY - No person other than law enforcement officer or licensed security officer shall possess a firearm - either openly or concealed."

This flagrantly violates both NM State and Federal statutes regarding the Right of the People to keep and bear arms.

(There are many threads on this subject, but this thread is specifically about the rationale and protocols for impeachment. It is presumed that Governor Grisham must have considered this implication before issuing the unlawful dictate. Please let's keep the discussion about the impeachment - not about the need for gun control - the other threads (in the Gun Control Sub-forum) discuss the need for gun control.)


NM State representatives Stefani Lord and John Block are calling for the impeachment of Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham.
"I am calling on counsel to begin the impeachment process against Governor Grisham. This is an abhorrent attempt at imposing a radical, progressive agenda on an unwilling populace. Rather than addressing crime at its core, Governor Grisham is restricting the rights of law-abiding gun owners,” said Rep. Lord.

"We need to impeach [the Governor] and that's something that I don't take lightly. But unfortunately, we need to do it because if we don't start here, it's going to seep through the entire nation. We're going to have governors all across the country think that they can just throw the Constitution in a paper shredder and see it go." - Rep. John Block

Bernalillo County Sheriff, John Allen, said:
“This order will not do anything to curb gun violence other than punish law-abiding citizens from their constitutional right to self-defense . . . . I am wary of placing my deputies in positions that could lead to civil liability conflicts, as well as the potential risks posed by prohibiting law-abiding citizens from their constitutional right to self-defense.”
To which, Governor Grisham stupidly responded:
“I don’t need a lecture on constitutionality from Sheriff Allen: what I need is action."

The rationale behind impeachment is that Governor Grisham flagrantly violated her solemn oath to uphold and protect the Constitution of New Mexico and the United States. Impeachment is the legal and Constitutional process to unseat a rogue governor.

source: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...-gun-ban-draws-bipartisan-backlash-rcna104500

IMO the governor should be expeditiously impeached and removed. It would send a good message to governors of other states about violating the Constitutional Rights of their citizens.

Agreed. Such a flagrant and obvious violation of the Constitution calls to question this Governor's judgement in even signing such an aberration in the first place.

 

[Loulit01]

(Yawn) They may repeal the emergency edict but Grisham will be just fine. Stop with the joyous shouts of impeachment and frothing at the mouth. It's not a good look.

 

[SkyChief]

Agreed. Such a flagrant and obvious violation of the Constitution calls to question this Governor's judgement in even signing such an aberration in the first place.

I think Lujan-Grisham knows very well that her temporary gun ban violates both the New Mexico's State Constitution, and the U.S. Constitution, and she's just trying to see what she can get away with. Grisham probably figures if she can get a 30 DAY gun ban, she could also get a 30 WEEK gun ban, or a 3 YEAR gun ban.

The slope is mighty slippery, and Grisham is trying to establish a stepping-off point for the slippery slope.

Fortunately, a District Judge has put a temporary injunction on her 30-day gun ban for the people of Albuquerque.

Even if he didn't (Bernalillo County Sheriff) John Allen made it clear that he would refuse to enforce the governor's Order.

Not only republicans, but many Dems have chastised Grisham for this foolish edict - so kudos to them.

Gov. Grisham MUST be impeached for this, or governors in other states will try this crap.

 

[Hamish Howl]

This is really simple: The law is the law, and you can't take someone's weapon away without due process.

 

[SkyChief]

So, are Democrats going to support impeachment, or, are they going to act like Republicans?

Many democrats have chided the governor for this flagrant violation of open-carry laws in New Mexico. Kudos to them.

New Mexico Attorney General Raúl Torrez (D) said that he objects to the gun ban.

Many Albuquerque residents - both democrat and republican - protested with American flags and signs that read "Do Not Comply."

Presumably, democrats and republicans should fully support Lujan-Grisham's impeachment/removal from office.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

This is really simple: The law is the law, and you can't take someone's weapon away without due process.

Nobody had their weapon taken away though.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Give her the Congressional Medal of Freedom.

 

[Doug64]

I don't have to argue for gun control. The number of innocent people shot to death does it for me.

And does the number of criminals that find themselves on the wrong end of a gun held by their prospective victims tell you?

The 2nd is not absolute. Executives (both federally and in the states) have emergency powers that allow them to do things to deal with that emergency. Still likely unconstitutional.

So you believe that in the event of, say, a major pandemic, the government should have the right to shut down any opinions or fact reporting that might make its reactions look bad? Say, any studies that demonstrate that vaccines aren't actually vaccines or masking up isn't all that effective? All despite the 1st Amendment? It's an emergency, you know.

 

[mrjurrs]

And does the number of criminals that find themselves on the wrong end of a gun held by their prospective victims tell you?


So you believe that in the event of, say, a major pandemic, the government should have the right to shut down any opinions or fact reporting that might make its reactions look bad? Say, any studies that demonstrate that vaccines aren't actually vaccines or masking up isn't all that effective? All despite the 1st Amendment? It's an emergency, you know.

Irrelevant what I believe. How the executives use their added power is still subject to Constitutional restrictions with substantial leeway provided them.

 

[SkyChief]

Even AFTER District Court Judge David Urias ruled Gov. Grisham's Albuquerque gun-ban unconstitutional, the New Mexico governor refuses to stand down.

"Today a judge temporarily blocked sections of our public health order but recognized the significant problem of gun violence in this state, particularly involving the deaths of children. As governor, I see the pain of families who lost their loved ones to gun violence every single day, and I will never stop fighting to prevent other families from enduring these tragedies."

Maybe not Governor Grisham, but you WILL STOP abusing your power to take away Constitutional Rights from the people of New Mexico. And hopefully you will be impeached, convicted and removed from office.