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New congressional resolution introduced to remove Lee statue from Antietam

This is nothing more than a ploy for the Left wing to show everyone who's in control.
bomberfox just gave you an eloquent, fact based explanation of Civil War history and the Confederate statues that began to be erected many decades after the war.

This is a political forum, but this issue really is not about politics. It’s about being willing to view history accurately and making long overdue corrections.
 
It's funny, too, cuz I don't remember Republicans ever questioning Ted Cruz's eligibility to be President, even though he literally isn't eligible because he wasn't born in the US. But, oh, he's white.
Spend more time reading the Constitution so you don’t make a fool of yourself with ignorant assertions like the one above.
 
bomberfox just gave you an eloquent, fact based explanation of Civil War history and the Confederate statues that began to be erected many decades after the war.

This is a political forum, but this issue really is not about politics. It’s about being willing to view history accurately and making long overdue corrections.

No he didn't. :lamo

He posted his opinion.

You won history to be spun from a partisan point of view, motivated by your partisan politics and your bigotry. You lack the ability to discuss history from a neutral viewpoint.
 
You are wrong in just about every post you make. Taking down most of these monuments actually correct history. Lee disnt want statues erected of him but that is not the real reason for removing these statues. You see, the phrase “the victors write the history” is a convenient half truth. In reality, the confederates were able to write their own history. They wrote the “lost cause” myth which covered up the nasty cause of the confederacy. I know lots of folks are going to try to obfuscate with red herrings but it only shows their ignorance of or outright approval of the confederacy. The lost cause myth has infected the imaginations of many southerners even today and helped the narrative of what is quite the most vile and oppressive film ever made in America, birth of a nation. The myth posits that the civil war was a war of northern aggression, it had nothing or little to do with slavery, and it was about states rights. Ever wonder why many southerners ignorantly fly the confederate battle flag? The lost cause myth is why.

Now for the second reason to remove these statues, most of these statues were put up to scare African Americans from fighting for civil rights several decades after the civil war ended. They were put up to “show those uppity blacks their place”

Indeed.
The Daughters of the Confederate, did, and continue to keep the myth alive.

That, and gullible people.
 
Spend more time reading the Constitution so you don’t make a fool of yourself with ignorant assertions like the one above.

At the time the President takes office they must be:

a natural born citizen (or they became a citizen before September 17, 1787)
at least 35 years old
an inhabitant of the United States for at least fourteen years.


there is no "best 2 out of 3" or anything, you have to meet all three. and, obviously he could RUN, but that seems really stupid considering he couldn't actually BE the president
 
No he didn't. :lamo

He posted his opinion.

You won history to be spun from a partisan point of view, motivated by your partisan politics and your bigotry. You lack the ability to discuss history from a neutral viewpoint.

And...more projection.

Your posts reek of ignorant arrogance.

It is fascinating to read.
 
This is nothing more than a ploy for the Left wing to show everyone who's in control.

I’d suggest you stop while you are behind. You are going to lose this.
 
I love history and the CW period was a complex time. I'm a former reenactor, mostly CSA, but have died in Blue and Gray. I am one of the 1000's of reenactors that petitioned the Confederate flag be removed from the SC statehouse. I have debated the many statues and within limits, I'm OK with the left argument that statues be placed where they are historically relevant. Why I understand some of the premise, that this statue isn't accurate, it's far clear with those politicians that isn't the issue, but far more, they want history erased on a one sided view.

Did the South leave the union over slavery, partially... The better way to look at it was economics, which slavery played a large role, but it also played a large role for the North, that loved the tariff money slavery generated to the federal govt. Neither side had clean hands on this issue. Concerning Lee, he certainly was no traitor. When the lower cotton states seceded, several states did not, including the ones that provided the most troops. In fact, they voted secession down or didn't even vote on it at all. It was only after Lincoln called up troops to invade the south did all these states secede. Most of these states, tho mixed in opinion, still wanted political resolve to restore the union. Lincoln took that away with plans to invade. Lee was offered to command the northern army to invade the south and refused, stating he never thought he would see the day a president would make war with it's own people. He hoped for political resolve and made it clear he would not attack his fellow states, his friends and family. Lee sided to protect his home, Virginia.

History must be understood in the period in which it took place, not by our morality or hindsight today. Slavery, as terrible as it was, was a religious answer to war. Instead of killing all of your enemy so they couldn't rise to fight you again, make slaves of them, take their women as wives, etc. Often blacks will say "before we were slaves, we were the sons and daughters of great black kings and queens" and this is true, but black kings and queens that were the greatest slaveholders in history. The majority of slaves sold to whites were slaves already by fellow Africans. Africa warred within with numerous tribal and civilization conflicts and enslaved each other. They soon learned they could sell to the white men on their shores for goods and weapons of war to continue their own inner struggles. I highly doubt you will ever see a protest to remove all this African history, statues or great landmarks.

I'll end there, except to say, where I could see the point of removing this statue, we also see the clear motive to remove all southern history from the CW period. The left has argued to remove history to where it's ..historical, but here we go to the next step, remove it completely. So where will it end? To understand for the most part and except for the very few, slavery was not a moral issue for the North. Soon after the CW, with a large war surplus and troops, the federal govt went on the fast trek to commit genocide and enslave another people of color for greed, the Western Indian tribes. That will a a lot of history to erase soon after southern history. Like every nation formed, their is much evil, but that is the progression of men that populate and advance. I hope we leave history alone, at least in places it's historically relevant.
 
I’d suggest you stop while you are behind. You are going to lose this.

Nothings going to happen. It's an anonymous internet discussion forum, not the real world, dude. :lamo
 
Im all for it. Remove statues dedicated to glorifying traitors.

Especially that scumbag Lee. The racists of the day could not have picked a worse example of a human being to glorify. He actually claimed he was commanded by God to enslave the black race and then whined about what a burden it was.

But even if one conceded Lee’s military prowess, he would still be responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans in defense of the South’s authority to own millions of human beings as property because they are black. Lee’s elevation is a key part of a 150-year-old propaganda campaign designed to erase slavery as the cause of the war and whitewash the Confederate cause as a noble one. That ideology is known as the Lost Cause, and as historian David Blight writes, it provided a “foundation on which Southerners built the Jim Crow system.”

The Myth of the Kindly General Lee - The Atlantic
 
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I love history and the CW period was a complex time. I'm a former reenactor, mostly CSA, but have died in Blue and Gray. I am one of the 1000's of reenactors that petitioned the Confederate flag be removed from the SC statehouse. I have debated the many statues and within limits, I'm OK with the left argument that statues be placed where they are historically relevant. Why I understand some of the premise, that this statue isn't accurate, it's far clear with those politicians that isn't the issue, but far more, they want history erased on a one sided view.

Did the South leave the union over slavery, partially... The better way to look at it was economics, which slavery played a large role, but it also played a large role for the North, that loved the tariff money slavery generated to the federal govt. Neither side had clean hands on this issue. Concerning Lee, he certainly was no traitor. When the lower cotton states seceded, several states did not, including the ones that provided the most troops. In fact, they voted secession down or didn't even vote on it at all. It was only after Lincoln called up troops to invade the south did all these states secede. Most of these states, tho mixed in opinion, still wanted political resolve to restore the union. Lincoln took that away with plans to invade. Lee was offered to command the northern army to invade the south and refused, stating he never thought he would see the day a president would make war with it's own people. He hoped for political resolve and made it clear he would not attack his fellow states, his friends and family. Lee sided to protect his home, Virginia.

History must be understood in the period in which it took place, not by our morality or hindsight today. Slavery, as terrible as it was, was a religious answer to war. Instead of killing all of your enemy so they couldn't rise to fight you again, make slaves of them, take their women as wives, etc. Often blacks will say "before we were slaves, we were the sons and daughters of great black kings and queens" and this is true, but black kings and queens that were the greatest slaveholders in history. The majority of slaves sold to whites were slaves already by fellow Africans. Africa warred within with numerous tribal and civilization conflicts and enslaved each other. They soon learned they could sell to the white men on their shores for goods and weapons of war to continue their own inner struggles. I highly doubt you will ever see a protest to remove all this African history, statues or great landmarks.

I'll end there, except to say, where I could see the point of removing this statue, we also see the clear motive to remove all southern history from the CW period. The left has argued to remove history to where it's ..historical, but here we go to the next step, remove it completely. So where will it end? To understand for the most part and except for the very few, slavery was not a moral issue for the North. Soon after the CW, with a large war surplus and troops, the federal govt went on the fast trek to commit genocide and enslave another people of color for greed, the Western Indian tribes. That will a a lot of history to erase soon after southern history. Like every nation formed, their is much evil, but that is the progression of men that populate and advance. I hope we leave history alone, at least in places it's historically relevant.

Did you hear about the cancellation of the event in Raymond MS recently, because they didn't want Confederate troops marching through town?
 
Saved that post for later. :lamo

If i try to deflect with a red herring instead of answering a post then bringing up a situation i hope you will. Also iguanaman posted a rather good resource backing up my post.
 
Nothings going to happen. It's an anonymous internet discussion forum, not the real world, dude. :lamo


You are a person on this board with a certain reputation. I suspect you dont value your reputation much
 
At the time the President takes office they must be:

a natural born citizen (or they became a citizen before September 17, 1787)
at least 35 years old
an inhabitant of the United States for at least fourteen years.


there is no "best 2 out of 3" or anything, you have to meet all three. and, obviously he could RUN, but that seems really stupid considering he couldn't actually BE the president
Cruz did and does meet the requirement of “natural born” citizen because his mother was born in the United States. Natural born refers to being born to at least one American parent, regardless of where that birth happens. This issue has been litigated and resolved long ago.
 
Cruz did and does meet the requirement of “natural born” citizen because his mother was born in the United States. Natural born refers to being born to at least one American parent, regardless of where that birth happens. This issue has been litigated and resolved long ago.

then Obama would have met under this same criteria, regardless as well, so my point still stands, at least partially.
 
then Obama would have met under this same criteria, regardless as well, so my point still stands, at least partially.
No, your point does not stand. You wrongly asserted that Cruz wasn’t eligible to run for president because he wasn’t born in the USA. That was 100% wrong.

* And Obama was born in America to an American mother.
 
then Obama would have met under this same criteria, regardless as well, so my point still stands, at least partially.

Not the best setup for your point. Best to just learn from it aye?
 
No, your point does not stand. You wrongly asserted that Cruz wasn’t eligible to run for president because he wasn’t born in the USA. That was 100% wrong.

firstly, you haven't proven anything, and everything I can find still says i'm right, so i was being gracious in taking that one and pointing out that they were still holding a double standard to Obama that they didn't hold to the white guy.

secondly, until you provide proof for your claim, i'm not even dealing with you, because as far as I'm concerned, you're a liar and a hack.
 
firstly, you haven't proven anything, and everything I can find still says i'm right, so i was being gracious in taking that one and pointing out that they were still holding a double standard to Obama that they didn't hold to the white guy.

secondly, until you provide proof for your claim, i'm not even dealing with you, because as far as I'm concerned, you're a liar and a hack.
What grade are you in? 6th, 7th? Clearly your parents school tax dollars were completely wasted.

Knowing presidential eligibility requirements isn’t exactly PhD level knowledge.

You’re embarrassing yourself.
 
Did you hear about the cancellation of the event in Raymond MS recently, because they didn't want Confederate troops marching through town?

No one is obligated to continue celebrating a bunch of thugs who literally went to war to keep Americans enslaved and who conducted terrorism and set up brutal, unconstitutional regimes for a century after the war.
 
This is nothing more than a ploy for the Left wing to show everyone who's in control.

That is not a rebuttal.

The Lost Cause myth was born out the right, due to traitors and slavers not wanting to admit that they had been beaten fair and square, and to justify their own despicable cause.
 
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