L0neW0lf
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To elucidate you on your confusion..........
No body here is confused.
1. "anti-Zionist" and "pro-Israel" is an oxymoronic position
I agree. I did not make this claim.
2. Supporting the creation of a Jewish state is outdated.
What?
One can support the creation of a Jewish state or Jewish states, regardless of whether a Jewish state exists or not.
It already was created in 1947/48. To oppose the movement (philosophy, doctrine, whatever) the led to its creation can only mean destruction of same creation.
Again, the only person in this discussion who claims that support for Jewish statehood equals support for Zionism is you. Support for the creation of a Jewish state or states does not translate into automatic support for Zionism, or support for Jewish states that already exist. Neither does it translate into automatic support for all/any hypothetical Jewish states, just because they're Jewish. I am sure most Palestinians for example wouldn't mind the consensual creation of a Jewish state within the United States. Therefor Palestinians are anti Zionists and pro Jewish right to a state.
Again, Irrelevant.3. Being critical of Israeli policy since whenever is not necessarily anti-semitic.
But when critics self-proclaim as anti Zionist they advocate that the Jewish homeland be dissolved. That happens to be anti-semitic.
No it isn't. A Jewish person is not born a Zionist, they choose to be so. Up until the Holocaust most Jews were either non Zionists or anti Zionists. I can of course provide more than enough reference and quotes (which you dislike) for this vocal opposition to Zionism by Jews of the past but I don't think you dispute it's existence, rather, you just choose to ignore it because of its inconvenience for your narrative.
Opposing the creation or existence of a Jewish state in principle while supporting the creation or existence of analogous states/national movements for other people is antisemitic. Opposition to Zionism does not equal opposition to Jewish statehood in principle therefor ending Zionism is not antisemitic, is not necessarily against Jewish statehood, its anti Zionist.
4. Thus your inability to distinguish sadly appears to be far from "feigned". And your inability to properly define cannot be solved by baseless accusations towards those that point it out to you.
You are feigning your inability to distinguish between support for the creation of "Jewish" states and "Zionism" as if they are mutually exclusive. My accusation is well founded.
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