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NEVER call the police for help...

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https://www.npr.org/2023/05/26/1178398395/mississippi-11-year-old-boy-called-police-shot

Aderrien Murry, 11, called 911 for help at his home in Indianola, Miss., last weekend. But after police arrived, an officer shot him in the chest. The boy is recovering, but his family is asking for answers — and they want the officer involved to be fired.

Aderrien's mother, Nakala Murry, says she told her son to call her mother and the police after the father of one of her other children appeared at their house in the early hours of Saturday, May 20. She was concerned for her safety, Murry said — but when police arrived, things went terribly wrong. An officer ordered people out of the home, and then shot Aderrien after he left his room, she said...[ ]
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Stop training law enforcement to be trigger happy felines. FFS.
 
The police are not your friends.
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The police asked everyone inside to come out with their hands up, Murry said. She added that authorities were told twice that no one had a gun in the house — once by her son on his 911 call and again by herself, speaking to officers at the door. But when an empty-handed Aderrien came from his room into the living room, Murry says the officer — who already had his gun out, Murry said — shot him. Her son was running, she said, and he was shot in an instant.​

Who will be the first to defend?
 
Lursa said:
I dont think people realize that in many parts of this country, cops make $20/hr. Some start at $14/hr.

Wtf?
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Exactly where do cops make $14 an hour and what is the average stating pay in these areas?
Everything is relative.
Peace
 
noonereal said:
Exactly where do cops make $14 an hour and what is the average stating pay in these areas?
Everything is relative.
Peace
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The case where the 4 black "detectives" beat a black driver (unarmed) to death and it was all on video, including from a nearby light. They made $20 something an hr. Memphis maybe? TN somewhere? Nashville? Dont remember exactly. The guy died a few days later from the beating.

In discussions in that thread, someone else wrote that he knew of a place where cops started at $14/hr.
 
Gateman_Wen said:
Actually what they need to do it train police officers. Not in a week, not in a month, but for years. No end until retirement.
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I think a four-year degree in criminology, followed by a post-college internship, should be required. Rookie police should not be allowed to have guns. Every time relevant laws change, cops should be required to take a one-semester continued learning class. I will never understand why some of the most important people in every city, suburb, township, and village are trained to be the most dangerous people, learning only how to use certain types of vehicles and guns instead of what they really need to know.

Getting paid $20 looks good until you see something like this. Senseless murders should automatically result in job termination without appeal.
 
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Lursa said:
The case where the 4 black "detectives" beat a black driver (unarmed) to death and it was all on video, including from a nearby light. They made $20 something an hr. Memphis maybe? TN somewhere? Nashville? Dont remember exactly. The guy died a few days later from the beating.

In discussions in that thread, someone else wrote that he knew of a place where cops started at $14/hr.
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While I understand the point you're trying to make, the problem here isn't the money the officers are making. The problem is how officers are being trained, particularly with their mindset towards policing.
 
Slyfox696 said:
While I understand the point you're trying to make, the problem here isn't the money the officers are making. The problem is how officers are being trained, particularly with their mindset towards policing.
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I thought the correlation was clear. It's a clear indication of the "investment" they're willing (or able) to make in these officers.
 
There are some 6 million arrests in any given year...over 50 million police contacts. The instances where a tragedy occurs are comparatively so rare that you can literally discuss them individually.

So...go ahead then. Work on banning guns, and also...whatever you do...dont call cops when you are the victim of the 1.2 million violent crimes that occur every year. And dont defend yourself. Or your loved ones.
 
VanceMack said:
There are some 6 million arrests in any given year...over 50 million police contacts. The instances where a tragedy occurs are comparatively so rare that you can literally discuss them individually.

So...go ahead then. Work on banning guns, and also...whatever you do...dont call cops when you are the victim of the 1.2 million violent crimes that occur every year. And dont defend yourself. Or your loved ones.
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That's no excuse for a police officer to shot in such cases.
 
To blame all police for the mistakes and bad actions of a few is pure stupidity. You only *think* you don't want their protection. The country would be a lawless hellhole without them.
 
The mother of the boy told reporters that the “irate” father of another of her children arrived at her home at 4 a.m.

Yeah, sounds like a normal suburban home where lots or really swell things go on.

My advice to cops who have to work in these lousy neighborhoods: Don't be so quick to respond to calls for HELP, it may not go well for you.
 
anatta said:
indeed it's not.
but make grand generalizations like "dont call the cops for help" over what are statistically isolated incidents isnt truthful either
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I agree. Just the same, too many times cops that are trigger happy are not held accountable for their homicides.
 
Lursa said:
The case where the 4 black "detectives" beat a black driver (unarmed) to death and it was all on video, including from a nearby light. They made $20 something an hr. Memphis maybe? TN somewhere? Nashville? Dont remember exactly. The guy died a few days later from the beating.

In discussions in that thread, someone else wrote that he knew of a place where cops started at $14/hr.
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What does their pay have to do with the way they act while on duty?
 
Lursa said:
I thought the correlation was clear. It's a clear indication of the "investment" they're willing (or able) to make in these officers.
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There is no correlation at all. You made it up.
 
Lursa said:
The case where the 4 black "detectives" beat a black driver (unarmed) to death and it was all on video, including from a nearby light. They made $20 something an hr. Memphis maybe? TN somewhere? Nashville? Dont remember exactly. The guy died a few days later from the beating.

In discussions in that thread, someone else wrote that he knew of a place where cops started at $14/hr.
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OK


Cashiers at BJs make minimum wage. Do they get to beat a threatening Karen to death?

I fail to understand this argument.
 
bongsaway said:
What does their pay have to do with the way they act while on duty?
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I think its the 'if you pay peanuts you get monkeys' argument. Which contains a grain of truth perhaps.
 
Sweden said:
Calling the police for help probably has a good outcome in 95% of cases - even in the US. A bit silly to refrain because of a tiny risk of being shot.
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How much risk of being shot are you willing to add to your day?
 
VanceMack said:
There are some 6 million arrests in any given year...over 50 million police contacts. The instances where a tragedy occurs are comparatively so rare that you can literally discuss them individually.

So...go ahead then. Work on banning guns, and also...whatever you do...dont call cops when you are the victim of the 1.2 million violent crimes that occur every year. And dont defend yourself. Or your loved ones.
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There are some professions where criminal incompetence is completely unacceptable. Surgeons, airline pilots, police officers.

The fact that an incompetent cop can cause a person's death without cause means there's no room for bad apples.

Other countries do a much better job training officers and pay them well which allows them to attract quality recruits.

The outcomes speak for themselves.
 
bongsaway said:
What does their pay have to do with the way they act while on duty?
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IMO the salaries are an indication of the level and amount of training they get as well. I cant believe this has to be spelled out.
 
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