Netanyahu's Wag the Dog effort

[Tigerace117]

I wonder why IDF "butchers" takes extreme mesures to avoid harming civilians as evacuate civilians etc... Not add up...

The body count certainly shows how your claims of “extreme measures” don’t add up.

 

[NO1]

Clearly you are upset by the fact that nobody is buying your fairy tales of “extreme measures”.

That doesn’t change the fact that the piles of dead Palestinian non combatants show what a joke your claims are.

Israel’s priority in Syria is targeting Iran and Hezbollah. The fight against ISIS is a distant second. Which is why Israel get along so well with the Saudis.

I wonder if the coalition forces declared every civilian target that was hit to be secretly working for the terrorists all along. No? Hmmmmm

Again that don't change the fact the US sent a team of senior officers to Israel in order to learn from IDF tactics. Makes one wonder...

How many civilians died in the war against ISIS? How many in Afghanistan? They were after civilians too, or it just Israel?

As Martin Dempsey, which has exprience in war against terror of course, Israel went to extraordinary lengths to limit collateral damage and civilian casualties. Why that's upset you?

 

[Tigerace117]

Again that don't change the fact the US sent a team of senior officers to Israel in order to learn from IDF tactics. Makes one wonder...

How many civilians died in the war against ISIS? How many in Afghanistan? They were after civilians too, or it just Israel?

As Martin Dempsey, which has exprience in war against terror of course, Israel went to extraordinary lengths to limit collateral damage and civilian casualties. Why that's upset you?

Again, Israel’s “tactics” in justifying civilian killings are certainly something the US would take notice in.

Except, of course, for the fact that the US didn’t arbitrarily declare that all those civilians were secretly terrorists and had it coming. We usually own up to our mistakes. You lot don’t. An important distinction.

Israel certainly went to extraordinary lengths to “justify” killing civilians. Otherwise? Not so much.

 

[NO1]

The body count certainly shows how your claims of “extreme measures” don’t add up.

Which body count? I'm sure Hamas manipulate the stats from Gaza in order to serve his propaganda.

 

[Tigerace117]

Which body count? I'm sure Hamas manipulate the stats from Gaza in order to serve his propaganda.

The death toll established by journalists and other sources on the ground.

No wonder Israel bombed the press building. Much easier to cast doubt on the casualties you cause if you can chase out the objective third parties.

 

[NO1]

Again, Israel’s “tactics” in justifying civilian killings are certainly something the US would take notice in.

Except, of course, for the fact that the US didn’t arbitrarily declare that all those civilians were secretly terrorists and had it coming. We usually own up to our mistakes. You lot don’t. An important distinction.

Israel certainly went to extraordinary lengths to “justify” killing civilians. Otherwise? Not so much.

Lol, why you dodge the questions?

How many civilians died in the war against ISIS? How many in Afghanistan? They were after civilians too, or it just Israel?

Again that don't change the fact the US sent a team of senior officers to Israel in order to learn from IDF tactics. You can turn it how you want to but they did so to learn from IDF tactics in order to avoid harming civilians.

 

[NO1]

The death toll established by journalists and other sources on the ground.

No wonder Israel bombed the press building. Much easier to cast doubt on the casualties you cause if you can chase out the objective third parties.

As I said in Gaza journalists publish what Hamas allow them to publish.

 

[Tigerace117]

Lol, why you dodge the questions?

How many civilians died in the war against ISIS? How many in Afghanistan? They were after civilians too, or it just Israel?

Again that don't change the fact the US sent a team of senior officers to Israel in order to learn from IDF tactics. You can turn it how you want to but they did so to learn from IDF tactics in order to avoid harming civilians.

Your “question” claimed I was upset. Since I’m not upset , your question was meaningless.

How many civilians did the US claim were secret terrorists and totally had it coming? Gee, I’m place that number somewhere around “not one hell of a lot”. How many civilian buildings did the US declare were totally secret terrorist bases, trust us? Again......not one hell of a lot.

As I said before, the US owns up to its mistakes. You lot don’t.

The piles of Palestinian corpses, again, show that such tactics wouldn’t be worth learning.

 

[Tigerace117]

As I said in Gaza journalists publish what Hamas allow them to publish.

Yawn. Good thing a lot of these reports are filed from outside Gaza.

 

[iguanaman]

The irony here is that Israel is in routine violation of the laws, regulations and conventions she agreed to observe and abide by when becoming signatory to the UN Charter. Those same laws were enacted, to a large extent, as a consequence of the horrors Jews suffered before and during the second world war.

Not to mention the fact that they have already broken the "peace agreements" they signed which forbid any new settlements on the West Bank. The question is how can any agreement be signed with a country that just ignores anything they "agree" to?

Indeed, a series of "talking points," which Kushner and the State Department cabled to all American embassies, and which Politico obtained and published, claimed that "Israel has agreed to comport its policies to this Vision for at least four years, including freezing all settlement activity in the West Bank in areas that this Vision designates for the future State of Palestine."
Sadly, Netanyahu, who is now facing prospects for a fifth election in two years after failing to form a government, has respected little of this. Settlement creep has continued. A joint statement earlier this month from five European countries (France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Britain) urged a halt to the expansion of 540 new homes in the West Bank, and asked Israel "to cease its policy of settlement expansion across the Occupied Palestinian Territories."
Accompanying these provocative actions, frictions with the Palestinians have only intensified, leading now to what threatens to become an all-out war. The direct trigger for the violent exchanges appears to be the actions of Israeli police who fired stun grenades inside the Al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem, one of the city's holiest sites, on Monday. At the same time, Israeli police also were clashing with Palestinians over the eviction of several Palestinian families in the Sheikh Jarrah neighborhood of Jerusalem. While the attack on the sacred mosque and the evictions in Jerusalem may have been the more immediate triggers, the all but unchecked expansion of the settlements provided an atmosphere that was a toxic undercurrent.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/14/opin...lan-israelis-palestinians-andelman/index.html

 

[NWRatCon]

The irony here is that Israel is in routine violation of the laws, regulations and conventions she agreed to observe and abide by when becoming signatory to the UN Charter. Those same laws were enacted, to a large extent, as a consequence of the horrors Jews suffered before and during the second world war.

That's called "irony". Or hypocrisy, depending on context and timing.

 

[Apocalypse]

I specifically pointed out the fact that the IDF’s strikes slaughtering Palestinians are no different than those of Hamas.

Deal with it.

It's hysterical that you actually have to lie about your own words to try and save grace here.
You don't know when to stop and it went terrible for you.

 

[Apocalypse]

The body count certainly shows how your claims of “extreme measures” don’t add up.

Compared to every war waged by US/UK/etc. the facts are not on your side. Deal with it.

This is what reasonable people do, they use facts and a basis for comparison. They use logic.
They don't make up facts and admit that they're basing their world views on their own bias and lies.

 

[Apocalypse]

Clearly he is upset by IDF making extreme mesure to avoid harming civilians.

Here is footage of Martin Dempsey,top US general, saying Israel went to extraordinary lengths to limit collateral damage and civilian casualties, and he sent a team of senior officers to Israel in order to learn lessons from the conflict against Hamas (the war in 2014), including the measures IDF took to prevent civilian casualties -

He speaks purely out of bias and people like that don't care about the facts.
But to see someone who admits that he's not going to refer to the facts of the matter and just to what his bias towards Islamist terrorists' propaganda that's quite something.

 

[Tigerace117]

It's hysterical that you actually have to lie about your own words to try and save grace here.
You don't know when to stop and it went terrible for you.

It’s hysterical that you think you have any credibility to accuse anyone else of “lying” at this point.

Still waiting on your evidence for me supporting Islamist terrorists.....or being anti Semitic, for that matter

 

[Tigerace117]

Compared to every war waged by US/UK/etc. the facts are not on your side. Deal with it.

This is what reasonable people do, they use facts and a basis for comparison. They use logic.
They don't make up facts and admit that they're basing their world views on their own bias and lies.

The facts are that no amount of sobbing “but America” excuses the pile of dead non-combatants.

“Reasonable people”? Gee bud, if you’ve seen any of those let me know, I’ll stop wasting my time listening to you desperately try to excuse the killings of civilians

 

[snakestretcher]

It’s hysterical that you think you have any credibility to accuse anyone else of “lying” at this point.

Still waiting on your evidence for me supporting Islamist terrorists.....or being anti Semitic, for that matter

You will in time learn, as I have done, that the poster's raison d'etre is to defend Israel at all costs; no criticism is allowed, ever, or else you're doomed to be forever labelled an anti-Semite, Jew-hater, terror-enabler (a personal favourite), closet Muslim (!) etc., etc.

 

[Apocalypse]

The facts are that no amount of sobbing “but America” excuses the pile of dead non-combatants.

“Reasonable people”? Gee bud, if you’ve seen any of those let me know, I’ll stop wasting my time listening to you desperately try to excuse the killings of civilians

It's fairly easy to see how you've managed to lose every single argument you've ever had here.
When you're asked to present facts - you simply panic and admit your world views are based on lies, hatred and an automatic support for the murder of innocents.

If you're not going to discuss the facts perhaps you shouldn't be here.

 

[Tigerace117]

You will in time learn, as I have done, that the poster's raison d'etre is to defend Israel at all costs; no criticism is allowed, ever, or else you're doomed to be forever labelled an anti-Semite, Jew-hater, terror-enabler (a personal favourite), closet Muslim (!) etc., etc.

Did he actually accuse someone of being a “closet Muslim”?

Talk about the mask coming off....

 

[Tigerace117]

It's fairly easy to see how you've managed to lose every single argument you've ever had here.
When you're asked to present facts - you simply panic and admit your world views are based on lies, hatred and an automatic support for the murder of innocents.

Yawn. I get that you don’t have an actual argument, hence your doubling and then tripling down on hysterics, but even for you that’s a new low.

Still waiting on that evidence bud.

 

[snakestretcher]

Did he actually accuse someone of being a “closet Muslim”?

Talk about the mask coming off....

I believe that might have been me; a 68 year-old white English Catholic of Polish parentage. What a great disguise, eh?

 

[snakestretcher]

It's fairly easy to see how you've managed to lose every single argument you've ever had here.
When you're asked to present facts - you simply panic and admit your world views are based on lies, hatred and an automatic support for the murder of innocents.

If you're not going to discuss the facts perhaps you shouldn't be here.

A post consisting entirely of lies, invention and projection! Congratulations.

 

[Apocalypse]

Yawn. I get that you don’t have an actual argument, hence your doubling and then tripling down on hysterics, but even for you that’s a new low.

Still waiting on that evidence bud

Isn't it sad that you admit you can never base your views?
You must be killing it on those youtube comment sections.

 

[Apocalypse]

A post consisting entirely of lies and projection! Congratulations.

From the guy who can only offer comparisons of Jews with Nazis that's very relevant.

 

[snakestretcher]

From the guy who can only offer comparisons of Jews with Nazis that's very relevant.

When did I do that? Post number please.