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NBC: Obesity 'No Longer A Question of Individual Responsibility,' Government Must Act

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Well . . .

So much for "my body, my choice."
 
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NBC: Obesity 'No Longer A Question of Individual Responsibility,' Government Must Act | NewsBusters.org

I realize that the source is biased, but that's irrelevant unless the direct quotes are out & out lies.

It's a left leaning source through a right leaning source.

I guess you can call that balanced.

I'm for any legislation that would get rid of the slow ass people waddling around in wal mart with those short shorts and thunder theighs. Also, if your ass is wider than ya basket you need to move out the damn way.

Don't get me started but I'm tired of looking at all the fat people around here, it's disgusting.
 
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I expect to see more and more of this as more people become dependent on government to pay for their health care. Ultimately, if they are paying the bills, they can justify enforcing behavioral codes. That's what we get when we concede our personal responsibility to take care of our own health and medical needs.
 
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Well . . .

So much for "my body, my choice."

Ohh, hypocrisy.

Pregnant? It's your body. Fat? It's our body!
 
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I expect to see more and more of this as more people become dependent on government to pay for their health care. Ultimately, if they are paying the bills, they can justify enforcing behavioral codes. That's what we get when we concede our personal responsibility to take care of our own health and medical needs.

Enforcing of what? What will become mandatory?

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I don't disagree with you here (apart from the word "enforced.") For years, our government has pushed to stop people from smoking. From censoring cigarette ads to awareness, it's come out today that lung cancer in Canada is way down. And this was accomplished without having the cigarettes of smokers ripped from their mouths.
 
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Huh??? What exactly will be forced?

Who said anything about "forced"?
 
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Who said anything about "forced"?

You.

So much for "my body, my choice."

I interpret that as saying that "you" will NOT have a choice in obesity-related decisions because the government is going to enforce their will on you. What did I get wrong?
 
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This thread is supposed to be about media bias. Maybe it's so brazen that it isn't even debatable.
 
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Obesity, to me, is clearly something that individual choice is not correcting, and it has a substantial impact on all of society. So, yes, government has a clear interest in attempting to help correct the problem. That doesn't mean mandatory fat camps. Turns out there's a world of options in between "do nothing" and "forced to exercise at gunpoint."
 
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Obesity, to me, is clearly something that individual choice is not correcting, and it has a substantial impact on all of society. So, yes, government has a clear interest in attempting to help correct the problem. That doesn't mean mandatory fat camps. Turns out there's a world of options in between "do nothing" and "forced to exercise at gunpoint."

Food is also trendy..

I dont eat the comfort foods I ate when I was skinny and burning 300 calories and hour working and chasing kids.

In fact.. A friend of mine who I have considered hopelessly obese.. 5'7" and 310 lbs is now eating more fruit and cereal.. and he's already down to 268 lbs..

So some people are paying attention and getting the message.
 
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Cant stop people with pschological addictions...the only way is to eliminate what makes them obese and thats not happening.
At best this is a 20 yr min project that may have "SOME" benefit

There comes a time when overload kicks in...and people say SCREW IT to all attempts at changing them....dont smoke...dont eat fat...dont drink soda...dont do this dont do that..
 
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Cant stop people with pschological addictions...the only way is to eliminate what makes them obese and thats not happening.
At best this is a 20 yr min project that may have "SOME" benefit

There comes a time when overload kicks in...and people say SCREW IT to all attempts at changing them....dont smoke...dont eat fat...dont drink soda...dont do this dont do that..

I don't think that's true.. You can break your addiction pretty rapidly if you quit sugar and refined carbs and fat.
 
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For hte LOVE OF GOD! Seriously? As long as I am the one in control of my FRIGGING disgusting doughnut masher...I don't want the friggin morons in the government deciding how to regulate things. Besides there is no way in hell any government mandated diet plan is going to be anything other than a Cash scheme for the left and the BS organic market.

Here is a fact people. Fat people...cannot be regulated. Same with poor people. Same with jerks. Same with racist. Holy left wing idealist retards batman. Sigh...can someone pass me the soylent green?
 
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I'm not interested in much more than more PSAs.
 
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Obesity, to me, is clearly something that individual choice is not correcting, and it has a substantial impact on all of society. So, yes, government has a clear interest in attempting to help correct the problem. That doesn't mean mandatory fat camps. Turns out there's a world of options in between "do nothing" and "forced to exercise at gunpoint."

That is ridiculous. You can't fix stupid. You cant fix fat. You can't fix poor. As long as people can decide how much food actually goes into their mouth...you have no control. You can collectively make the food taste bad...but you can't fix the "obesity issue" through government tax programs designed to make politicians rich. The left is so naive sometimes.
 
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For hte LOVE OF GOD! Seriously? As long as I am the one in control of my FRIGGING disgusting doughnut masher...I don't want the friggin morons in the government deciding how to regulate things. Besides there is no way in hell any government mandated diet plan is going to be anything other than a Cash scheme for the left and the BS organic market.

Here is a fact people. Fat people...cannot be regulated. Same with poor people. Same with jerks. Same with racist. Holy left wing idealist retards batman. Sigh...can someone pass me the soylent green?

Dietary habits change all the time..

Do you think Americans eat the same foods prepared just as they were in 1950?
 
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Dietary habits change all the time..

Do you think Americans eat the same foods prepared just as they were in 1950?

The reason dietary habits changed was because food today is tastier than it was in 1950. But we ate some things in 1950 that we eat today, because we still want that. To change dietary habits, you have to make people want and crave healthy food. You can't just make tasty food more expensive or harder to get.
 
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The reason dietary habits changed was because food today is tastier than it was in 1950. But we ate some things in 1950 that we eat today, because we still want that. To change dietary habits, you have to make people want and crave healthy food. You can't just make tasty food more expensive or harder to get.

A full heavy breakfast was NOT UNCOMMON in the 1950s.. nor was cooking with lard.. We ate more fried foods, less fruit and had a narrower range of fresh vegetables and produce...
 
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A full heavy breakfast was NOT UNCOMMON in the 1950s.. nor was cooking with lard.. We ate more fried foods, less fruit and had a narrower range of fresh vegetables and produce...

Exactly me point. We don't eat that kind of food because we don't "want or crave" that food anymore. We stopped eating fully heavy breakfasts because we now want other food, not because we've made full, heavy breakfasts more expensive or harder to get.
 
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Well . . .

So much for "my body, my choice."

So then since you're against legal abortion, you would have no problem with this.
 
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Straight to the point. My wife is a raw food/vegan. It's her choice regarding meat. I've even tried raw food only and then vegan only. Can't do it. I like meat. Through my wife's reading I have come to believe the government is full of processed bull****. The government is iobbied hard by the food industry. America basically eats food chemically enhanced with excitotoxins. We become addicted to that crap early on. Processed (read non-food) food producers pump their products with chemicals. Some of the chemicals are designed to make you want more.

The food Americans eat, processed foods, from grains to "meat products" to pure junk food, are making Americans fat. Everyone who drinks soft drinks and mocha loca crap from Star Bucks raise your hand. See? Most of you.

Who walks anywhere? Not most people in the U.S.

When is the last time you've eaten fast food? There you go.
 
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Dietary habits change all the time..

Do you think Americans eat the same foods prepared just as they were in 1950?

You tell me: Changes in USDA Food Composition Data for 43 Garden Crops, 1950 to 1999

Conclusions: We suggest that any real declines are generally most easily explained by changes in cultivated varieties between 1950 and 1999, in which there may be trade-offs between yield and nutrient content.

I suggest you go through this entire study. It is actually quite fascinating.

Genetic Variations and Trade-Offs

We observe apparent overall declines in some nutrients, combined with apparent increases in a significant minority of individual foods and nutrients. A possible explanation for this observation is changes in cultivars during the period represented by data published in 1950 and 1999. Cultivars commonly are selected for yield, growth rate, pest resistance and other attributes, but seldom have they been selected for nutrient content. It is well accepted in agricultural research that selection for one resource-using function may take resources away from other resource-using functions. For example, there are often trade-offs between growth rate and pest resistance [22], between yield and resistance to herbivory [23] and between the number of seeds and their size [24]. As we will illustrate, cultivars selected for yield, rapid growth or other non-nutrient characteristic may suffer resource limitations in their abilities to extract soil minerals or transport them within the plant, or in their abilities to synthesize proteins, vitamins and other nutrients. Such trade-offs are usually unpredictable in size, however, and because of ever-present genetic variability, some fraction of cultivars will show enhanced contents of individual nutrients.

The short version of their research is listed in their abstract conclusion. Essentially a lot of what they are saying...this whole less nutrient thing...is not a properly studied science. We haven't been selecting crops based on their nutrient quality since the 1950s. We HAVE been selecting them for pest and disease resistance, as well as crop yield and size. So the nutrient change is not based really upon any evil corporate scheme...it is simply genetic differences in crops.

Do you want to talk about pen raised animals and how nutrients of beef and so on is dropping from the 1950s? Well. Improved vacinations of animals for one is a great thing. But anything you buy from the store and you litteraly don't select and slaughter yourself is not going to be as healthy. If you are THAT worried about it...pick up a rod and reel, some nets, a gun, ammo, a bow (season changes) and arrows, muzzle loader, and licenses for any game animal in your area. I suggest getting a large freezer too.



But to answer your question...same foods prepared as they were back in the 50s? Depends on where you live. As Americans want to eat healthier...those "evil corporations" will sell them "healthy food" because that is what the market dictates. Hence this ridiculous organic fad. But I know my collard greens, grits, eggs, and so on isn't really that much worse for me than it was back in the 50s. You want to find out why food "has become unhealthy," follow the money. Who is going to make tons of money off regulating foods that aren't really that much worse off than they were 50 years ago? Not you or me.

Humans crave fatty foods. Salt. Things of that nature. It is genetically ingrained in us as animals. As long as we have food...some of us will be larger than others. Hell. I am overweight. But I am also a big framed guy anyway. I eat a lot more than other people. But of course I am not that concerned with that is going into my doughnut masher unless it is going to give me cancer tomorrow, and if it causes heart disease I will take it easy. Unless it is bacon. Everything is better with bacon.

But I guess if the left is going to force me to eat: could you pass more soylent green?
 
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