earthworm
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It is this same nationalism of Europe and inacceptance of foreigners that also degrades Europe. Why they can never be as competitive as the US is.earthworm said:The search surprisingly showed nothing on nationalism....
I believe we do need more nationalism, but not excessive, remember nazi-Germany, but - a man should feel good about this country and its heritage.... Specifically, the use of English as the official language and a ban on flag burning as two examples of a part of nationalism.....I am sure that there are many more....
I think the Europeans are more nationalist than we are, we could learn from them.....
earthworm said:Our doors are not wide open to immigration. We do and always have had quotas in place...
There is no correlation between nationalism and immigration.
So many things are misunderstood. Nationalism has been labeled with a bad name thanks to fools such as Hitler and others...
We probably do have the best way of doing things, that does not mean that improvements cannot be...
::Major_Baker:: said:banning expression in the form of a 'flag burning ban' is the antithesis of what we should be proud of in America.
nothing nationalistic about compromising the ideals that this country was founded on....FREEDOM.
jfuh said:It is this same nationalism of Europe and inacceptance of foreigners that also degrades Europe. Why they can never be as competitive as the US is.
The US is the only country in the world, currently, that has it's doors wide open to immigration.
Try to immigrate to Europe, nearly impossible.
Nationalism leads to arrogance, one of the many reasons that France has thier riots last year.
Nope Nationalism - as per Merriam Websterjamesrage said:You are refering to nativism not nationalism.
1 : loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially : a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups
2 : a nationalist movement or government
That is a premise stating relativity to any other nation in the world, our boarders are quite open for immigration this is not the same on any degree to - open boarders. Which would also allow for illegal immigration.jfuh said:The US is the only country in the world, currently, that has it's doors wide open to immigration.
jfuh said:Nope Nationalism - as per Merriam Webster
Especially: a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups.HTML:1 : loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially : a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups 2 : a nationalist movement or government
The US does not have such an issue because it's open to all other ethnic cultural identites, there is no US cultural identity except for that of fundamental belief in freedom - that's it. To believe in freedom of expression, media, religion, ect is American culture.
AS I've said already, I'm not arguing about Nativism.jamesrage said:http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=nativism
1. A sociopolitical policy, especially in the United States in the 19th century, favoring the interests of established inhabitants over those of immigrants
A immigrint can be just as much of a patriotic American as an american born citizen.
THat's not my argument.jamesrage said:The USA is a mix of different cultures and people.You do not have to be born here to a patriot.
Ok, I don't understand why you're just posting the thing I posted being it's my point.jamesrage said:http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nationalism
1. Devotion to the interests or culture of one's nation.
2. The belief that nations will benefit from acting independently rather than collectively, emphasizing national rather than international goals.
3. Aspirations for national independence in a country under foreign domination.
THat's your finding based on what? EU is an economic entity, not political. See about nationals of non-EU nations trying to immigrate to EU nations. In the case of European countries, thier nationalism is also thier nativism. As is the concept of. To be French, you need to be French first - speaking only French, acting, talking, walking, and dressing French.jamesrage said:I find your assumption about Europe having strong sence nationalism to be false considering the alot of those european countries are members of the EU.
I point to your own reference number 2 here, which agrees with my premise.jamesrage said:http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nationalism
1: love of country and willingness to sacrifice for it [syn: patriotism] 2: the doctrine that your national culture and interests are superior to any other [ant: multiculturalism, internationalism] 3: the aspiration for national independence felt by people under foreign domination 4: the doctrine that nations should act independently (rather than collectively) to attain their goals [ant: internationalism]
So again, no, we do not need a nationalist movment in this country. And yes it's quite bad as most nationalist ideologies end up leading to arrogance and intolerance. Know a country today that is highly nationalistic?the doctrine that your national culture and interests are superior to any other [ant: multiculturalism, internationalism]
earthworm said:The search surprisingly showed nothing on nationalism....
I believe we do need more nationalism, but not excessive, remember nazi-Germany, but - a man should feel good about this country and its heritage.... Specifically, the use of English as the official language and a ban on flag burning as two examples of a part of nationalism.....I am sure that there are many more....
I think the Europeans are more nationalist than we are, we could learn from them.....
LeftyHenry said:Nationalism sucks. It's really just dignified segregation of people.
jfuh said:I point to your own reference number 2 here, which agrees with my premise.
So again, no, we do not need a nationalist movment in this country. And yes it's quite bad as most nationalist ideologies end up leading to arrogance and intolerance. Know a country today that is highly nationalistic?
N. Korea
Brainwashed with nationalist propaganda.jamesrage said:North Koreans are just brainwashed.It is not really nationalism.
jamesrage said:So you also think patriotism sucks too since it is synonymous with nationalism?
jamesrage said:North Koreans are just brainwashed.It is not really nationalism.
So you do not beleave in dovotion to your country?Unpatriotic is synonymous with disloyal.Kandahar said:Yes. Patriotism is idiotic for the same reason already mentioned about nationalism.
Care to explain that distinction? Anyone who is a nationalist is brainwashed, regardless of what country they live in. Brainwashed by government in North Korea, brainwashed by popular culture in the United States.
jamesrage said:So you do not beleave in dovotion to your country?
jamesrage said:Unpatriotic is synonymous with disloyal.
Disloyal is defined as (dictionary.com)
jamesrage said:Why do you believe loyalty to your country is a bad thing?
jamesrage said:And you wonder why alot of conservatives think liberals are anti-american.
jamesrage said:So someone having loyalty and love for thier country means they are brainwashed?
jamesrage said:Why do you hate this country?
jamesrage said:How long have you been anti-American?
Are Benedict Arnold and Theodore Hall your heroes?
Kandahar said:No. Why should I be more devoted to a stranger 4,000 miles away in Alaska than to a stranger 4,000 miles away in Europe or Latin America or Africa?
You and your silly dictionary definitions.
So your are trying to tell me that Goerge Washington wanted Abortion,gay marriage,and flag burning?I'm not the one of the two of us trying to undermine nearly every single value that the United States of America was founded on.
Yes, absolutely. What is the fundamental difference between THIS country and any other? There is nothing special about this country or the people of this country. I guarantee you that if North Korea had an American-style government and American values (which you clearly hate), North Korea would be a booming success. Conversely, if the United States had a North Korean-style government and values, the United States would be an abysmal failure.Originally Posted by jamesrage
So someone having loyalty and love for thier country means they are brainwashed?
What exactly are you advocating when you say you "have loyalty for this country" or "love this country"? Is this just a meaningless cliche?
There's a big difference between not loving a country and hating a country. I don't have any particular feelings for pieces of land.
See above. I'm not the one of the two of us trying to undermine nearly every American value.
That is what you need to prove James. N. Korea spread nationalist propaganda, that its citizens must be unconditionally loyal to the state (as did the USSR). Yet your claim maintains that there is a distinction to be made with the nationalistic propaganda of N. Korea.jamesrage said:So someone having loyalty and love for thier country means they are brainwashed?
There's a big variance between loyalty, and blind and absolute loyalty.jamesrage said:Yes folks see it here, see how a leftist thinks loyalty to his country is stupid.
I have loyalty to this country and I also have love for this country.
There is no fence sitting on this issue,you either hate this country or you love this country.
You seem to think loyalty to this country is stupid,Theodore Hall and Benedict Arnold also thought that too.
jfuh said:That is what you need to prove James. N. Korea spread nationalist propaganda, that its citizens must be unconditionally loyal to the state (as did the USSR). Yet your claim maintains that there is a distinction to be made with the nationalistic propaganda of N. Korea.
jamesrage said:So you think of your country as a stranger?
jamesrage said:And you have the audacity to say that someone sounds like a buffoon.
This is what you sounds like when you mock someone for using a dictionary.
Kandahar:"THat thare fellah is using thems fancy dictionaries all full of fancy words,curse him"
jamesrage said:So your are trying to tell me that Goerge Washington wanted Abortion,gay marriage,and flag burning?
jamesrage said:Yes folks see it here, see how a leftist thinks loyalty to his country is stupid.
jamesrage said:I have loyalty to this country and I also have love for this country.
jamesrage said:There is no fence sitting on this issue,you either hate this country or you love this country.
jamesrage said:You seem to think loyalty to this country is stupid,Theodore Hall and Benedict Arnold also thought that too.
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