Nah, there is no such thing as incrementalism we are all just crazy gun nuts. [W:31]

[blaxshep]

(Reuters) - Democratic lawmakers in California, critical of Congress' failure to pass significant gun control legislation after mass shootings in Colorado and Connecticut last year, advanced a package of bills on Wednesday that would tighten a ban on semi-automatic firearms and further regulate ammunition sales.

The bills, which passed the state Senate mostly along party lines, would outlaw all new sales of semi-automatic weapons with removable magazines, ban ammunition clips that can fire more than 10 rounds, and make it illegal for people convicted of drug and alcohol felonies to own a gun for 10 years.

The package of seven bills would also require people who want to buy ammunition in the state to undergo background checks and get a permit.

"The action is with the states," said California Senate Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg. "In the absence of national policy, we feel that we have the responsibility to do something."

California gun laws are already among the toughest in the nation, according to the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence. The state has banned most assault weapons, requires sales be made by a licensed dealer, including at gun shows, and imposes a 10-day waiting period, among other regulations.

The Assembly on Wednesday passed its own gun control measure with Perez's support that would ban kits used to convert single-fire guns into semi-automatics. That measure would also increase to five years the length of time mental health patients who threaten violence are banned from owning firearms. Currently, they must wait six months.

California's Democratic lawmakers push for tighter gun control | Reuters

 

[jamesrage]

Re: Nah, there is no such thing as incrementalism we are all just crazy gun nuts.

(Reuters) - Democratic lawmakers in California, critical of Congress' failure to pass significant gun control legislation after mass shootings in Colorado and Connecticut last year, advanced a package of bills on Wednesday that would tighten a ban on semi-automatic firearms and further regulate ammunition sales.

The bills, which passed the state Senate mostly along party lines, would outlaw all new sales of semi-automatic weapons with removable magazines, ban ammunition clips that can fire more than 10 rounds, and make it illegal for people convicted of drug and alcohol felonies to own a gun for 10 years.

The package of seven bills would also require people who want to buy ammunition in the state to undergo background checks and get a permit.

"The action is with the states," said California Senate Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg. "In the absence of national policy, we feel that we have the responsibility to do something."

California gun laws are already among the toughest in the nation, according to the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence. The state has banned most assault weapons, requires sales be made by a licensed dealer, including at gun shows, and imposes a 10-day waiting period, among other regulations.

The Assembly on Wednesday passed its own gun control measure with Perez's support that would ban kits used to convert single-fire guns into semi-automatics. That measure would also increase to five years the length of time mental health patients who threaten violence are banned from owning firearms. Currently, they must wait six months.

California's Democratic lawmakers push for tighter gun control | Reuters

I am sure glad I do not live in California. This is why you don't give into anti-2nd amendment trash demands. Elected officials in my state would be doing more than just looking for a job if they ever proposed any of the nonsense California has.

 

[Wiseone]

Re: Nah, there is no such thing as incrementalism we are all just crazy gun nuts.

(Reuters) - Democratic lawmakers in California, critical of Congress' failure to pass significant gun control legislation after mass shootings in Colorado and Connecticut last year, advanced a package of bills on Wednesday that would tighten a ban on semi-automatic firearms and further regulate ammunition sales.

The bills, which passed the state Senate mostly along party lines, would outlaw all new sales of semi-automatic weapons with removable magazines, ban ammunition clips that can fire more than 10 rounds, and make it illegal for people convicted of drug and alcohol felonies to own a gun for 10 years.

The package of seven bills would also require people who want to buy ammunition in the state to undergo background checks and get a permit.

"The action is with the states," said California Senate Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg. "In the absence of national policy, we feel that we have the responsibility to do something."

California gun laws are already among the toughest in the nation, according to the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence. The state has banned most assault weapons, requires sales be made by a licensed dealer, including at gun shows, and imposes a 10-day waiting period, among other regulations.

The Assembly on Wednesday passed its own gun control measure with Perez's support that would ban kits used to convert single-fire guns into semi-automatics. That measure would also increase to five years the length of time mental health patients who threaten violence are banned from owning firearms. Currently, they must wait six months.

California's Democratic lawmakers push for tighter gun control | Reuters

There is no such thing as incrementalism. The passage of a single law or series of laws making guns less available and/or harder to get does not mean that's the only direction these laws are heading in.

How so? Look at concealed carry laws, they've rapidally expanded across most of the United States in the last two decades but no one is talking about how that in incrementalism in the opposite direction towards freer and more available guns.

Laws change, people and lawmakers react to events and make laws in response to them, but that doesn't mean that laws will forever more go in that direction. Just like the fact that Obama won re-election means there will never be a Republican President again.

 

[blaxshep]

Re: Nah, there is no such thing as incrementalism we are all just crazy gun nuts.

There is no such thing as incrementalism. The passage of a single law or series of laws making guns less available and/or harder to get does not mean that's the only direction these laws are heading in.

How so? Look at concealed carry laws, they've rapidally expanded across most of the United States in the last two decades but no one is talking about how that in incrementalism in the opposite direction towards freer and more available guns.

Laws change, people and lawmakers react to events and make laws in response to them, but that doesn't mean that laws will forever more go in that direction. Just like the fact that Obama won re-election means there will never be a Republican President again.

Incrementalism ;

1. The passage of a series of laws making guns less available and/or harder to get.

 

[jamesrage]

Re: Nah, there is no such thing as incrementalism we are all just crazy gun nuts.

There is no such thing as incrementalism.

Yes there is.

Incrementalism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
: a policy or advocacy of a policy of political or social change by degrees

The passage of a single law or series of laws making guns less available and/or harder to get does not mean that's the only direction these laws are heading in.

In California's case it is the only direction those people are headed to.

How so? Look at concealed carry laws, they've rapidally expanded across most of the United States in the last two decades but no one is talking about how that in incrementalism in the opposite direction towards freer and more available guns.

And some of those states are going towards unrestricted conceal carry.

Laws change, people and lawmakers react to events and make laws in response to them, but that doesn't mean that laws will forever more go in that direction. Just like the fact that Obama won re-election means there will never be a Republican President again.

California has the most restrictive anti-2nd amendment laws in the country and they are proposing more anti-2nd amendment laws. How are things getting better for 2nd amendment rights advocates in that state?

 

[CalGun]

Re: Nah, there is no such thing as incrementalism we are all just crazy gun nuts.

Of course you guys see incrementalism because you don't know how to get ahead of the issues facing people and say no to anything - even those things which make sense or at least resonte with the masses. When you are nothing but a brick wall and have nothing but a flat wall to offer you see incrementalism. Duh - enjoy watching your wall break down. Oh and James your state will eventually fall. It takes time but they all do. Maybe not even in your life time, but eventually it too will fall.

The simple answer is to increase the market place of gun owners, increase the volume of people who want, own, and will be proficient with firearms. Take steps to eliminate stupid laws that won't resonate with the masses and give them the one's that do. The size of the market place and the masses will contribute to a lasting defense.

 

[Blue_State]

Re: Nah, there is no such thing as incrementalism we are all just crazy gun nuts.

At this point, the actions of State Bodies seem extremely knee jerk. I am ok with stopping everything until we can have a rational discussion.

No one has proposed on law which would have stopped Sandy Hook.

 

[American]

Re: Nah, there is no such thing as incrementalism we are all just crazy gun nuts.

There is no such thing as incrementalism. The passage of a single law or series of laws making guns less available and/or harder to get does not mean that's the only direction these laws are heading in.

How so? Look at concealed carry laws, they've rapidally expanded across most of the United States in the last two decades but no one is talking about how that in incrementalism in the opposite direction towards freer and more available guns.

Laws change, people and lawmakers react to events and make laws in response to them, but that doesn't mean that laws will forever more go in that direction. Just like the fact that Obama won re-election means there will never be a Republican President again.

Really, what other direction would they go in? Less restrictive? :roll:

 

[Blue_State]

Re: Nah, there is no such thing as incrementalism we are all just crazy gun nuts.

Really, what other direction would they go in? Less restrictive? :roll:

Everyone receives a mac-10 with their drivers license renewal. Not for first time drivers though.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Re: Nah, there is no such thing as incrementalism we are all just crazy gun nuts.

At Last! An honest thread title from the gun crazies!

 

[jamesrage]

Re: Nah, there is no such thing as incrementalism we are all just crazy gun nuts.

Of course you guys see incrementalism because you don't know how to get ahead of the issues facing people and say no to anything - even those things which make sense or at least resonte with the masses. When you are nothing but a brick wall and have nothing but a flat wall to offer you see incrementalism. Duh - enjoy watching your wall break down.

Your state went from having no gun laws to the most restrictive in the country and your state is still proposing even more restrictive gun laws.This didn't happen over night.This happened because anti-2nd amendment trash slowly over time eroded the 2nd amendment in your state and because useful idiots kept caving to every inch.

Oh and James your state will eventually fall. It takes time but they all do. Maybe not even in your life time, but eventually it too will fall.

If it ever does fall it will not be due to politicians in my state.If anything my state will continue to loosen or repeal anti-2nd amendment laws.You seem to forget that most of the country does not think like you or your fellow anti-2nd amendment Californians.

 

[VanceMack]

Re: Nah, there is no such thing as incrementalism we are all just crazy gun nuts.

I am sure glad I do not live in California. This is why you don't give into anti-2nd amendment trash demands. Elected officials in my state would be doing more than just looking for a job if they ever proposed any of the nonsense California has.

Thak goodness its a free country. I'd be moving out of California, if I hadnt already moved out of California. You truly get the government you deserve.

 

[jamesrage]

Re: Nah, there is no such thing as incrementalism we are all just crazy gun nuts.

Everyone receives a mac-10 with their drivers license renewal. Not for first time drivers though.

Can you even get one of those in California or is there some severe restrictions on those if you could get one?

 

[jamesrage]

Re: Nah, there is no such thing as incrementalism we are all just crazy gun nuts.

At Last! An honest thread title from the gun crazies!

Didn't your country ban or severely restrict firearms to the point its almost impossible for the average citizen to get? So how are you going to have the nerve to mock those who are trying to prevent what happened in the UK from happening in the US? Your country makes California,New York or Illinois look like Oklahoma, Arizona, Utah or Alaska regarding firearm laws. You making fun of 2nd amendment advocates is like a convicted rapist telling women who arm themselves with a tazer,gun or pepper spray is paranoid, Chester the child molester telling parents they are paranoid about being concerned about creepy adults ogling their child or convicted burglars telling home owners in a high crime area they are paranoid for getting a burglar alarm or some other form of protection.

 

[CalGun]

Re: Nah, there is no such thing as incrementalism we are all just crazy gun nuts.

I see them for sale here quite often - I don't care for them myself. Of course the full auto requires the federal stamp but if it exists in CA it can still be transferred with the stamp. Magazines over 10 rounds have to be sold as "parts kits." What the OP noted was going to try and eliminate that - its a joke of their past law but too many gun advocates have bragged about their failure in hi cap magazines they want to impose greater restrictions now. Sadly CA pro gun community is just caught up in "no" so they can't / haven't done anything to expand the market place or gun rights - they just play defense - which is why all they do is lose.

Can you even get one of those in California or is there some severe restrictions on those if you could get one?

 

[jamesrage]

Re: Nah, there is no such thing as incrementalism we are all just crazy gun nuts.

I see them for sale here quite often - I don't care for them myself. Of course the full auto requires the federal stamp but if it exists in CA it can still be transferred with the stamp. Magazines over 10 rounds have to be sold as "parts kits." What the OP noted was going to try and eliminate that - its a joke of their past law but too many gun advocates have bragged about their failure in hi cap magazines they want to impose greater restrictions now. Sadly CA pro gun community is just caught up in "no" so they can't / haven't done anything to expand the market place or gun rights - they just play defense - which is why all they do is lose.

Have the anti-2nd amendment tards in California ever once said "Okay we have enough anti-2nd amendment laws lets not make any more anti-2nd amendment laws"?

 

[Blue_State]

Re: Nah, there is no such thing as incrementalism we are all just crazy gun nuts.

Have the anti-2nd amendment tards in California ever once said "Okay we have enough anti-2nd amendment laws lets not make any more anti-2nd amendment laws"?

If I were California, I would focus more on my budget than sucking on the flavor of the month.

 

[Captain America]

Re: Nah, there is no such thing as incrementalism we are all just crazy gun nuts.

Myself, I'm just waiting for the gun manufactorers to build their supplies back up and the stores to re-stock their shelves so the NRA can have another "Oh noes! They're coming for your guns," scare, so we can watch all the paranoid nutters go stand in long lines again. LOL!

Meanwhile, as usual, nothing really ever changes. Nobody will ever be "Coming for our guns." That's simply rediculous. Ain't never gonna happen.

Rinse and repeat.

 

[jamesrage]

Re: Nah, there is no such thing as incrementalism we are all just crazy gun nuts.

Myself, I'm just waiting for the gun manufactorers to build their supplies back up and the stores to re-stock their shelves so the NRA can have another "Oh noes! They're coming for your guns," scare, so we can watch all the paranoid nutters go stand in long lines again. LOL!

Meanwhile, as usual, nothing really ever changes. Nobody will ever be "Coming for our guns." That's simply rediculous. Ain't never gonna happen.

Rinse and repeat.

More of the "oh you're just paranoid for thinking that people who wipe their ****y ass with the 2nd amendment are somehow going to ban,confiscate and or severely restrict firearms". You honestly can't be that ****en naive to think they wouldn't. I am sure anti-gun tards said something similar in the UK,Australia, and many other countries.They probably said the same thing in the states that banned so called assault weapons right before they banned them. Heck the anti-2nd amendment tards are telling us that we are paranoid right as they are trying to ban semiautomatic civilian firearms and standard capacity magazines under the guise of "assault weapons" and high capacity magazines.

 

[CalGun]

Re: Nah, there is no such thing as incrementalism we are all just crazy gun nuts.

Of course not. What is the point? The pro gun community here has never put forth solutions that negatively impact gun ownership either. We, as a state, did get a push back on concealed weapons permits and the issue is largely resolved in "most" jurisdictions and you don't see the "anti's" pushing for more controls on the topic - becuase they were defeated. Because the masses have agreed - that's legit - we can go along with that. The radical anti's don't have a LEG to stand on politically and don't even engage in the fight thanks to legitimate controls and regulations that make sense.

Have the anti-2nd amendment tards in California ever once said "Okay we have enough anti-2nd amendment laws lets not make any more anti-2nd amendment laws"?

 

[jamesrage]

Re: Nah, there is no such thing as incrementalism we are all just crazy gun nuts.

Of course not.

Thats what I figured.

What is the point?

Because you keep making the assumption that all anti-2nd amendment side will cease further infringing on the 2nd amendment if you cave into their demands.

The pro gun community here has never put forth solutions that negatively impact gun ownership either. We, as a state, did get a push back on concealed weapons permits and the issue is largely resolved in "most" jurisdictions and you don't see the "anti's" pushing for more controls on the topic - becuase they were defeated. Because the masses have agreed - that's legit - we can go along with that. The radical anti's don't have a LEG to stand on politically and don't even engage in the fight thanks to legitimate controls and regulations that make sense.

Your state is becoming worse and worse.

 

[blaxshep]

Re: Nah, there is no such thing as incrementalism we are all just crazy gun nuts.

Myself, I'm just waiting for the gun manufactorers to build their supplies back up and the stores to re-stock their shelves so the NRA can have another "Oh noes! They're coming for your guns," scare, so we can watch all the paranoid nutters go stand in long lines again. LOL!

Meanwhile, as usual, nothing really ever changes. Nobody will ever be "Coming for our guns." That's simply rediculous. Ain't never gonna happen.

Rinse and repeat.

Me too because it will just put more guns on the streets. Nothing proliferates guns like a bunch of gun hating cowards threatening to ban them for our "safety".

 

[blaxshep]

Re: Nah, there is no such thing as incrementalism we are all just crazy gun nuts.

I see them for sale here quite often - I don't care for them myself. Of course the full auto requires the federal stamp but if it exists in CA it can still be transferred with the stamp. Magazines over 10 rounds have to be sold as "parts kits." What the OP noted was going to try and eliminate that - its a joke of their past law but too many gun advocates have bragged about their failure in hi cap magazines they want to impose greater restrictions now. Sadly CA pro gun community is just caught up in "no" so they can't / haven't done anything to expand the market place or gun rights - they just play defense - which is why all they do is lose.

Yep no better way to secure our gun rights then to roll over and allow the anti-American, gun hating cowards to ban them from under the skirt of the Nanny State for our "safety".

Nothing expands gun rights like banning guns! :stooges

 

[CalGun]

Re: Nah, there is no such thing as incrementalism we are all just crazy gun nuts.

And what gun have I ever suggested banning? If you can't provide the link don't bother. But I won't tolerate you suggesting I'm for banning a gun when I'm not. Do not speak for me - never.

Yep no better way to secure our gun rights then to roll over and allow the anti-American, gun hating cowards to ban them from under the skirt of the Nanny State for our "safety".

Nothing expands gun rights like banning guns! :stooges

 

[blaxshep]

Re: Nah, there is no such thing as incrementalism we are all just crazy gun nuts.

And what gun have I ever suggested banning? If you can't provide the link don't bother. But I won't tolerate you suggesting I'm for banning a gun when I'm not. Do not speak for me - never.

You are the one saying that the best way to secure our gun rights is to allow gun control, in fact you just said we should abandon the "wall" and compromise on gun control.

If your not for banning guns then you support repealing the full auto ban?