Myth of Male Power[W:166,W:829]

[sangha]

Re: Myth of Male Power

It's referred to as "nuance." You should look into it. :roll:

No, claiming that you did and did not post something is called "getting pwned"

 

[Gathomas88]

Re: Myth of Male Power

Yeah, nobody ever claimed that a decreasing population was going to be a problem for the us

Those are just two of many posts where you argued that our population would decrease

Hmmm... Let's examine this claim for a moment, shall we?

That would only get worse with a declining population. It would basically result in an endless loop of negative feedback.

A reduced workforce results in fewer consumers with disposable income. This cuts down on profit margins for companies, and therefore leads them to cut down on the workforce even farther.

Japan is already feeling the effects of this.

Forbes - A Japanese Crisis Nears

Population growth fuels economic growth. It always has. Pairing aging populations and pitifully low birthrates with a monstrously over-bloated welfare state is a recipe for disaster.

Nope. I see absolutely nothing claiming that the US population is definitively in decline here.

What about here?

According to what?

If growth is no longer high enough to keep up with death rates, and therefore keep the population stable, it rather clearly is not "sustainable."

U.S. Birth Rate Not High Enough To Keep Population Stable

As my source affirms (if you would actually bother to read it :roll: ), the US birth rate is no longer high enough to keep the population stable.

My claim here is technically correct. The only reason this is offset, is because of immigration.

Should I call you a liar now, or later?

No, having a huge pool of young males creates a huge pool of labor

Has nothing whatsoever to do with your claim that the there would be a quarter of a billion elderly persons in China in the next few decades.

 

[CLAX1911]

Re: Myth of Male Power

Because native populations are in decline. Immigration is buoying things at the moment, but that cannot be counted on to last forever.

i don't know why not its been going on since the discovery of this land it has never slowed. And native populations are nearly non distant only existing in reservations. You aren't likely native you are descendant of immigrants also unless you are full blooded cherokee or Sioux.

It also causes significant problems of its own. Immigrants, for instance, are far more likely to be poor, or wind up on government assistance. They simply are not as valuable to the economy as more skilled middle and upper class laborers.

gender rolls have nothing to do with obtaining more skills.

Furthermore, if current trends continue to the point where they make up a majority of the population, this could lead to considerable social and cultural instability.

Just like when the Irish migrated here and the Italians and the orientals. Its the exact same as it ever was. The baby boom is over one day we will have another one it would be insane to imagine that would all of the sudden stop just because we are in a lull and not even the worst one.

You are an alarmist. Or you are desperate to make your traditional morals relevant. Even though they are increasingly irrelevant.

 

[Gathomas88]

Re: Myth of Male Power

You argued that the US population was going to decline, even though you have yet to post any evidence that this will happen

It can be extrapolated to be a possibility by looking at what has occurred in several other countries in the Western World. The United States might not be at that point just yet, but you would be fooling yourself if you didn't at least consider the fact that there is risk that it might happen.

Instead of backing your false claim up, when challenged you dodge with your nonsense about how immigration is a problem

When will you back up your claim that the US population is going to decrease?

Because immigration can be shown to be a problematic replacement for native population growth. Obviously, the issue is far more complex than you are able to recognize.

No, claiming that you did and did not post something is called "getting pwned"

How about you try actually reading what I post with some degree of comprehension. Then we'll talk about who did or did not get "pwned." :lol:

 

[sangha]

Re: Myth of Male Power

Hmmm... Let's examine this claim for a moment, shall we?



Nope. I see absolutely nothing claiming that the US population is definitively in decline here.

What about here?



As my source affirms (if you would actually bother to read it :roll: ), the US birth rate is no longer high enough to keep the population stable.

And right there is where you predict that the population would decline!!

You even just admitted it when you said:

I claimed that it very likely is going to happen in the near future.

And you've posted NO EVIDENCE that this is true.

All you posted was that news article which was debunked when we pointed out that immigration would more than make up for declining birth rates, and posted multiple links showing that the population was projected to continue rising. There were multiple and credible sources like the UN, the Census, and the CIA Fact Book.

 

[sangha]

Re: Myth of Male Power

It can be extrapolated to be a possibility by looking at what has occurred in several other countries in the Western World. The United States might not be at that point just yet, but you would be fooling yourself if you didn't at least consider the possibility that it might happen.

No, it HAS been extrapolated and the projections show our population increasing.

And those other western nations do not have the level of immigration that we have. Nor do they have birthright citizenship.

Because immigration can be shown to be a problematic replacement for native population growth. Obviously, the issue is far more complex than you are able to recognize.

Opinion, not fact. Plenty of studies show that immigration into the US has been a net plus.

So yeah, the issue is complex which only shows why your simple minded claims are nothing but BS.

 

[Gathomas88]

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And right there is where you predict that the population would decline!!

It's a factually accurate claim!! Native populations are in decline!

Can you not read what I right in front of you? :lamo

You even just admitted it when you said:

And you've posted NO EVIDENCE that this is true.

It is a turn of events that our nation is at risk for.

Putting all of our eggs in the "lets hope immigrants fix it so we don't have to" basket is idiotic. If their pace ever slows, we will be in exactly the same boat as Japan and Western Europe.

All you posted was that news article which was debunked when we pointed out that immigration would more than make up for declining birth rates, and posted multiple links showing that the population was projected to continue rising. There were multiple and credible sources like the UN, the Census, and the CIA Fact Book.

Sangha, not once in the entire time I have known you have you ever, and I mean ever, "debunked" anything I have posted.

The source's claims were factually accurate, with regard to the native population of the United States. It even acknowledges that the overall population will not decline due to immigration.

If you would actually read what I post for a change, instead of jumping to insane conclusions, you would know that already.

 

[roguenuke]

Re: Myth of Male Power

Not in the slightest.



I claimed that it very likely is going to happen in the near future.

Not according to most experts. Most experts believe that the US population is going to continue to keep growing, just at a smaller rate than other countries, less developed countries.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32701.pdf

From what I can see, there hasn't been any significant drops in birth rates since the 60s. Most have been small drops with a steady decline.

And here is a really good article on how people wrongfully feel that just because we will decline in our economic growth that this should be offset by simply filling the gap with more children.

Demographic Trends and the U.S. Economy - Barrons.com

What I gathered from this is that too many people want basically that great economic time from before and think the way to do that can only be to increase birth rates for another baby boom. Plus, speculators feel that the birth rate will rise again now that the economy is improving. It simply takes time to happen since pregnancies take 3/4 of a year.

U.S birth rate falls to record low - Sep. 6, 2013

And there is an increase in birth rates for older women, particularly my own age (I know I'm not old, but I'm seen as such for having children by many people).

The goal shouldn't be more children, but rather just ensuring an equivalent population growth rate. But that shouldn't be done at the expense of freedom to choose. Our economy will even out. It is taking a shock because of the baby boomers. In a few decades, once those born in the baby boom years die out, we will see the improvement (providing nothing drastic happens). The worst thing we could do would be to encourage another baby boom just because some wrongfully equate large populations with economic booms. It is only temporary and cannot be maintained.

 

[sangha]

Re: Myth of Male Power

It's a factually accurate claim!! Native populations are in decline!

Not "native population". Just "population"

And it's not declining. It's increasing

It is a turn of events that our nation is at risk for.

What you said is that it is "likely" to happen.

Still waiting for some evidence that contradicts every projection I posted showing that our population would increase.

Putting all of our eggs in the "lets hope immigrants fix it so we don't have to" basket is idiotic. If their pace ever slows, we will be in exactly the same boat as Japan and Western Europe.

Still waiting.

 

[Gathomas88]

Re: Myth of Male Power

i don't know why not its been going on since the discovery of this land it has never slowed. And native populations are nearly non distant only existing in reservations. You aren't likely native you are descendant of immigrants also unless you are full blooded cherokee or Sioux.

I am 1/16 Cherokee, as a matter of fact.

However, that is ultimately besides the point. Native American Indians are irrelevant to this discussion.

I was referring to the modern, English speaking, native culture of the United States. That culture is in decline at the present moment, largely due to our lackluster breeding habits.

gender rolls have nothing to do with obtaining more skills.

Did I ever say that it did?

The problems with the modern Western conception of gender, and the problems with using immigration as a replacement for native population growth, are separate issues.

Just like when the Irish migrated here and the Italians and the orientals. Its the exact same as it ever was. The baby boom is over one day we will have another one it would be insane to imagine that would all of the sudden stop just because we are in a lull and not even the worst one.

Those were different circumstances. Native populations were still healthily growing when those immigrants arrived.

You are an alarmist. Or you are desperate to make your traditional morals relevant. Even though they are increasingly irrelevant.

If I'd sad these exact same things in Europe or Japan forty years ago, I'm sure they would have called me an "alarmist" as well. :roll:

 

[Gathomas88]

Re: Myth of Male Power

Not according to most experts. Most experts believe that the US population is going to continue to keep growing, just at a smaller rate than other countries, less developed countries.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32701.pdf

This is basically what has already been established in this thread. The native population is stagnant or in decline, while immigration keeps us just over the top on overall growth.

The real question here is whether or not that immigration will continue, and what kind of problems having virtually all of our nation's population growth resting on immigration might cause.

From what I can see, there hasn't been any significant drops in birth rates since the 60s. Most have been small drops with a steady decline.

True. However, that is still an overall drop, and one which has dipped below sustainable levels in recent years.

Demographic Trends and the U.S. Economy - Barrons.com

I can't read this.

U.S birth rate falls to record low - Sep. 6, 2013

And there is an increase in birth rates for older women, particularly my own age (I know I'm not old, but I'm seen as such for having children by many people).

The goal shouldn't be more children, but rather just ensuring an equivalent population growth rate. But that shouldn't be done at the expense of freedom to choose. Our economy will even out. It is taking a shock because of the baby boomers. In a few decades, once those born in the baby boom years die out, we will see the improvement (providing nothing drastic happens). The worst thing we could do would be to encourage another baby boom just because some wrongfully equate large populations with economic booms. It is only temporary and cannot be maintained.

I never said that we necessarily needed a "boom" in the first place. I said that it would be good if we could keep birth rates at sustainable levels.

If people can manage to do that on thier own, all the better.

Not "native population". Just "population"

And it's not declining. It's increasing

The native population is in decline.

Still waiting.

And you will keep waiting. I have provided all the evidence I need to.

You can take it or leave it.

 

[CLAX1911]

Re: Myth of Male Power

It's a factually accurate claim!! NaSative populations are in decline!

Can you not read what I right in front of you?

It's not either, the European population is likely in decline. That isn't native population. The native population was reduced by 95% over two hundred years ago. Any decline in it now is not really concerning.

 

[roguenuke]

Re: Myth of Male Power

This is basically what has already been established in this thread. The native population is stagnant or in decline, while immigration keeps us just over the top on overall growth.

The real question here is whether or not that immigration will continue, and what kind of problems having virtually all of our nation's population growth resting on immigration might cause.

True. However, that is still an overall drop, and one which has dipped below sustainable levels in recent years.

I can't read this.

I never said that we necessarily needed a "boom" in the first place. I said that it would be good if we could keep birth rates at sustainable levels.

If people can manage to do that on thier own, all the better.

The native population is in decline.

And you will keep waiting. I have provided all the evidence I need to.

You can take it or leave it.

But there really isn't a major issue with not always keeping up birth rates. In fact, from what it appears in those articles I gave, it seems that it is important to just maintain a steady, balanced birthrate, preferably that is maintained at about that 2.1 level. But it is easily made up for if it doesn't stay at that level by immigration. The biggest problem is actually in having dramatic changes in birth rates (such as the baby boom) over short times. That leads to extreme differences in the population dispersion and causes people to expect more than they should from their economy, expect it to always be getting better.

 

[Gathomas88]

Re: Myth of Male Power

But there really isn't a major issue with not always keeping up birth rates. In fact, from what it appears in those articles I gave, it seems that it is important to just maintain a steady, balanced birthrate, preferably that is maintained at about that 2.1 level. But it is easily made up for if it doesn't stay at that level by immigration. The biggest problem is actually in having dramatic changes in birth rates (such as the baby boom) over short times. That leads to extreme differences in the population dispersion and causes people to expect more than they should from their economy, expect it to always be getting better.

That's because steady economic growth basically requires steady population growth. Without it, what we are left with is basically stagnation.

"Booms" can be very good. They elevate society as a whole to new levels of prosperity and development. They simply have to be managed properly.

As long as immigration keeps up (which is hardly a given, seeing as how Latin America is rapidly moving to catch up with the West in terms of economic prosperity and standards of living), we should be alright. The problem is what happens when that immigration slows or stops, or when immigration becomes the sole basis for population growth.

If it stops, we will basically be in the same boat as Japan. If, on the other hand, native birth rates get to be too low and immigration continues, we might very well find ourselves being assimilated by the newcomers, rather than the other way around.

 

[CLAX1911]

Re: Myth of Male Power

I am 1/16 Cherokee, as a matter of fact.

However, that is ultimately besides the point. Native American Indians are irrelevant to this discussion.

you keep bringing them up.

I was referring to the modern, English speaking, native culture of the United States. That culture is in decline at the present moment, largely due to our lackluster breeding habits.

They live on a reservation. Or are you speaking of European descendants of immigrants otherwise not native. And so what we get many people that are the same "race" from the south.

Did I ever say that it did?

The problems with the modern Western conception of gender, and the problems with using immigration as a replacement for native population growth are separate issues.

there is no native population. We are all descendants if Europe. I am one quarter cherokee but I don't consider myself native my last name is European.

It has always been exactly as it is now. We don't need to be in a constant baby boom. Over population is far worse than under population. And i frankly don't see something as frivolous as gender roles being the lynch pin of society that is making mountains out of dung heaps. There is no need for gender roles any longer.

I don't see the connection to the decline of the family frankly I see it as strengthening the family because mothers can be bread winners and men can be nurturers. There is no biology or nature that dictates that. It's all in your head placed there by silly pointless traditions.

Those were separate circumstances. Native populations were still healthily growing when those immigrants arrived.

The native population was decimated by 95% by disease upon the first visits from western Europe. There has never been a revival in native populations.

If I'd sad these exact same things in Europe or Japan forty years ago, I'm sure they would have called me an "alarmist" as well. :roll:

Like i said the what if game is pointless.

 

[Gathomas88]

Re: Myth of Male Power

you keep bringing them up.

They live on a reservation. Or are you speaking of European descendants of immigrants otherwise not native. And so what we get many people that are the same "race" from the south.

Who happen to have a complete different culture than our own, and no real inclination to assimilate.

Don't pretend like that is a non-issue.

It has always been exactly as it is now.

I'm sorry, but it simply hasn't. Growth rates are at the lowest they have ever been right now.

We have never before been below replacement levels.

We don't need to be in a constant baby boom. Over population is far worse than under population.

Declining populations benefit no one.

There is no need for gender roles any longer.

You might as well argue that there is no more need for food, shelter, or clothing. Gender roles are universal, and will not be going away any time soon.

Even what we have today is ultimately only a modified version of the more traditional model (regardless of what "progressives" might like to claim).

Women are still the primary caregivers for children, and men are still the primary breadwinners in the vast majority of cases.

I don't see the connection to the decline of the family frankly I see it as strengthening the family because mothers can be bread winners and men can be nurturers. There is no biology or nature that dictates that. It's all in your head placed there by silly pointless traditions.

We will have to agree to disagree then. There is a significant amount of scientific evidence to suggest that the differences between the sexes are more than merely skin deep.

 

[CLAX1911]

Re: Myth of Male Power

That's because steady economic growth basically requires steady population growth. Without it, what we are left with is basically stagnation.

so we should eventually have 5 billion people in this nation? That is incredibly foolish. And a far worse problem than low birth rates.

"Booms" can be very good. They elevate society as a whole to new levels of prosperity and development. They simply have to be managed properly.

yes but only after a lull, it's a fluctuation that has occurred since the dawn of time. Panicking over it now is silly. It will pick up again as it always does.

As long as immigration keeps up (which is hardly a given, seeing as how Latin America is rapidly moving to catch up with the West in terms of economic prosperity and standards of living), we should be alright. The problem is what happens when that immigration stops, or when immigration becomes the sole basis for population growth.

I think there are better chances of hell freezing over and the moon bursting into confetti than immigration stopping.
Being that 99% of the American population is here through immigration I don't think it's a problem that immigration supplies our people. Immigrants founded it, immigrants built it immigrants dominate it.

If it stops, we will basically be in the same boat as Japan. If, on the other hand, native birth rates get to be too low and immigration continues, we might very well find ourselves being assimilated by the newcomers, rather than the other way around.

This is a basin built by immigrants, we have nothing of native culture. New comers bring in their culture and it is simply added to the melting pot thus is as old as the nations existence.

Being that it has never stopped in the past I think it's ridiculous to even bring up that what if nonsense. What if the moon hits us, what if the ocean dries up? It's all a disaster but far fetched.

 

[Gathomas88]

Re: Myth of Male Power

so we should eventually have 5 billion people in this nation? That is incredibly foolish. And a far worse problem than low birth rates.

I would hope that we had found some way to start shipping people off of this rock well before the time that day rolls around. :lol:

yes but only after a lull, it's a fluctuation that has occurred since the dawn of time. Panicking over it now is silly. It will pick up again as it always does.

There has never been a lull that has placed our birth rates below sustainment levels. Frankly, this is new and uncharted territory.

Any sort of future boom is basically going to require that people pull a 180 on their current attitudes towards family and reproduction. I'm sorry, but I simply don't see that happening any time soon.

Europe and Japan have certainly not experienced any such resurgence.

I think there are better chances of hell freezing over and the moon bursting into confetti than immigration stopping.
Being that 99% of the American population is here through immigration I don't think it's a problem that immigration supplies our people. Immigrants founded it, immigrants built it immigrants dominate it.

This is a basin built by immigrants, we have nothing of native culture. New comers bring in their culture and it is simply added to the melting pot thus is as old as the nations existence.

Being that it has never stopped in the past I think it's ridiculous to even bring up that what if nonsense. What if the moon hits us, what if the ocean dries up? It's all a disaster but far fetched.

Immigration requires that a nation actually be someplace that people want to live in the first place. If current trends continue, the United States is not going to remain as such for much longer.

Again, the third world is rapidly catching up to our levels of economic prosperity and living standards.

 

[CLAX1911]

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Who happen to have a complete different culture than our own, and no real inclination to assimilate.

Don't pretend like that is a non-issue.

they are the only native culture. If you are one sixteenth cherokee you are 15/16s immigrant.

I'm sorry, but it simply hasn't. Growth rates are at the lowest they have ever been right now.

yet it's increasing. So you are full of crap.

We have never before been below replacement levels.

we aren't genius the population is going up.

Declining populations benefit no one.

there is no declining population that is all in your head. Three population is going up.

You might as well argue that there is no more need for food, shelter, or clothing. Gender roles are universal, and will not be going away any time soon.

no they aren't, they are frivolous. We seem to do fine without them. And traditional ones aren't in existence.
Gender roles serve no purpose but to affirm silly traditions that serve no purpose.

You have utterly failed to prove that.

Even what we have today is ultimately only a modified version of the more traditional model (regardless of what "progressives" might like to claim).

No, it's not. Women vote, women drive, women own property, women are not at all what tradition dictated them to be in the past.

Women are still the primary caregivers for children, and men are still the primary breadwinners in the vast majority of cases.

increasing numbers are the other way around or something completely different. So the dusty old tradition proves itself frivolous.

We will have to agree to disagree then. There is a significant amount of scientific evidence to suggest that the differences between the sexes are more than merely skin deep.

We can agree to disagree but any silence that says such is hokem.

 

[sbrettt]

Re: Myth of Male Power

As a direct result of which, birth rates have plummeted well below sustainable levels, and the family unit has basically begun to discintegrate. Both of these factors weaken Western Civilization on a longterm cultural and econmic basis, and ultimately pave the way for our intrinsically rotten society to be supplanted by the far more prosperous up and coming powers of the far east. :roll:

Here's where you're saying our population is in decline.

And our unsustainably low 0.7% population growth rate (which, sadly enough, also happens to be among the highest in the Western World) would seem to support that conclusion. :roll:

And here.

If growth is no longer high enough to keep up with death rates, and therefore keep the population stable, it rather clearly is not "sustainable."

Annd here.

When it means fewer people to work, and fewer people to buy the products companies manufacture, therefore leading to an overall decline economic growth and productivity, it tends to be something of a problem. "Recession" is basically the only possible outcome.

Annnd here.

That would only get worse with a declining population. It would basically result in an endless loop of negative feedback. A reduced workforce results in fewer consumers with disposable income. This cuts down on profit margins for companies, and therefore leads them to cut down on the workforce even farther.

Annnnd here.

It will not, however; change the way things are. The simple fact of the matter is that our failure to replace ourselves within the general population is going to cause problems.

Annnnnd here.

As far as being "necessary" goes, the sources I have provided already more than speak to that. You can't have a workable society without a younger generation to fill in the gaps that the older one leaves behind.

This is in the middle. ^

I've posted dozens of sources telling you exactly why declining fertility rates are going to be problematic on a long term basis. If anything, you need to provide evidence showing why the United States would turn out any differently than the rest of the developed world in this regard.

Annnnnnd here.

I don't care about the population growth rates. That's not the point. The point is that our culture is broken on a fundamental structural level, and this is very likely going to lead to further problems down the road. Declining populations is one of them.

This is contradicted by previous statements. ^

I'm personally not advocating a population BOOM... but our "native" populations (those already citizens) really ought to be reproducing at replacement rate at least... and we're on the edge of falling into negative growth (if it wasn't for immigration, which has its pluses and minuses depending on your perspective).

I'm thinking this was your influence for the switch. ^

Considering the fact that fertility rates in the United States are no longer high enough to even replace native populations, there rather clearly is a shortage.

This is where you made the switch. I'm thinking you might have meant native population all along, but didn't start saying it until where I pointed it out. Just wanted to clear up the confusion.

 

[CLAX1911]

Re: Myth of Male Power

I would hope that we had found some way to start shipping people off of this rock well before the time that day rolls around. :lol:

why bother? That is stupid. Why not just solve both by not creating them in the first place.

There has never been a lull that has placed our birth rates below sustainment levels. Frankly, this is new and uncharted territory.

But it isn't our population is growing.

Any sort of future boom is basically going to require that people pull a 180 on their current attitudes towards family and reproduction. I'm sorry, but I simply don't see that happening any time soon.

no it doesn't, it just requires more mating.

Europe and Japan have certainly not experienced any such resurgence.

Address your complaints to them our population is still growing.

Immigration requires that a nation actually be someplace that people want to live in the first place. If current trends continue, the United States is not going to remain as such for much longer.

Alarmist nonsense. Our poor live like aristocrats compared to the nations immigrants are coming from.

Again, the third world is rapidly catching up to our levels of economic prosperity and living standards.

Sorry no they aren't.

 

[Gathomas88]

Re: Myth of Male Power

Here's where you're saying our population is in decline.


And here.

Annd here.

Annnd here.

Annnnd here.

Annnnnd here.

This is in the middle.

Annnnnnd here.

This is contradicted by previous statements.

I'm thinking this was your influence for the switch.

This is where you made the switch.

Again though, nothing I said there is technically wrong. Without immigration, our birth rate actually is too low to sustain the overall population. It has been so since at least 2007.

The allusions to the effects of declining populations are primarily due to the fact that I was arguing against people supporting the Malthusian viewpoint that population decline would actually be a good thing.

 

[sbrettt]

Re: Myth of Male Power

Again though, nothing I said there is technically wrong. Without immigration, our birth rate actually is too low to sustain the overall population. It has been so since at least 2007.

The allusions to the effects of declining populations are primarily due to the fact that I was arguing against people supporting the Malthusian viewpoint that population decline would actually be a good thing.

Ehh, I think it's been proven our population isn't in decline. Oh, and you caught me before the edit. :lol:

 

[CLAX1911]

Re: Myth of Male Power

Again though, nothing I said there is technically wrong. Without immigration, our birth rate actually is too low to sustain the overall population. It has been so since at least 2007.

with immigration it's not an issue.

The allusions to the effects of declining populations are primarily due to the fact that I was arguing against people supporting the Malthusian viewpoint that population decline would actually be a good thing.

I never said such a thing, the population isn't declining. It's growing

 

[Gathomas88]

Re: Myth of Male Power

yet it's increasing. So you are full of crap.

Due to immigration. It doesn't change the fact that our birth rates are still too low to sustain current population levels.

Dude, we've been over this.

no they aren't, they are frivolous. We seem to do fine without them. And traditional ones aren't in existence.
Gender roles serve no purpose but to affirm silly traditions that serve no purpose.

Which is exactly why they've lasted for the last 10,000 years, right? :roll:

No, it's not. Women vote, women drive, women own property, women are not at all what tradition dictated them to be in the past.

Women did most of those things in the past as well.

They have not always been so "oppressed" as feminist propaganda would have you believe.

We can agree to disagree but any silence that says such is hokem.

If you say so. Sex hormones and different body structures do not exist for nothing.

why bother? That is stupid. Why not just solve both by not creating them in the first place.

The only "stupid" here would be holding back progress.

We never would've left Africa if our ancestors had carried that attitude.

But it isn't our population is growing.

Due to immigration, and pretty much immigration alone.

Again, the non-immigrant population simply is not reproducing enough to replace their numbers.

Alarmist nonsense. Our poor live like aristocrats compared to the nations immigrants are coming from.

Sorry no they aren't.

Awfully sure about that, aren't you?

Pew Research Center - Welcome to the Global Middle-Class Surge

I think you might want to do so research on the subject. Our lead over the rest of the world is not as great as it once was. As a matter of fact, it is getting smaller all the time.