My thoughts on hunting. My thoughts only, not trying to convince anyone.

[noonereal]

Nobody gives a shit whether you hunt or not.

As you hang on my every word, I though I would share.

 

[noonereal]

In a SHTF situation there may not be grocery stores to buy food. Will you still be able to feed your family?

I'll come take yours. Pretty simple.

LOL,



Why is it you red states are always so scared, always live in fear? Honest? What is it?

In a SHTF situation there may not be grocery stores to buy food. Will you still be able to feed your family?




Mice??? Not really my club.

Last year I had to beat a rabid racoon to death with a steel pole that was trying to attack me. A month ago I ran off a stubborn black bear that keeps coming back and getting in my trash. The bear did not give way, so I threw wrench at it and hit it in the face. Bear took off like a rabbit, but it hasn't been back.

Mice.... LOL!

Well that is manly! Throwing a wrench and all.

To be clear, I beat a rat to death near the boiler in the basement one time. I am sure that kind of slaughter qualifies me for the wrench throwers club.!

 

[JasperL]

You made a profoundly ignorant comment, I simply highlighted it's buffoon like obviousness.

In other words, you did it to yourself.

If it's obviously TRUE, it's not "ignorant." Do you not know what the word "ignorant" means? Do you need a dictionary so you use the right word?

 

[noonereal]

If it's obviously TRUE, it's not "ignorant." Do you not know what the word "ignorant" means? Do you need a dictionary so you use the right word?

Wow!

You really can't follow can you?

What is profoundly ignorant is you posting the obvious as a new discovery.

Hope this helps!

 

[JasperL]

As you hang on my every word, I though I would share.

It's enjoyable pointing out actual idiocy and ignorance sometimes....

You, paraphrased:"I play golf to spend time with family. THEREFORE, all other ways to bond with children, family (e.g. hunting) are lesser or illegitimate!!!"

 

[noonereal]

It's enjoyable pointing out actual idiocy and ignorance sometimes....

You, paraphrased:"I play golf to spend time with family. THEREFORE, all other ways to bond with children, family (e.g. hunting) are lesser or illegitimate!!!"

Me: Hunting is straight up slaughter for fun and the culture it feeds is a blight on our great country.



As I typed this my CD ended. I was listening to The Brandenburg Concertos. What do you think I should spin next?

 

[VanceMack]

There are so many actual variables to consider when you discuss hunting.

-I find it interesting when people say 'humans shouldnt hunt animals. Why? are humans not on the food chain?
-Where society has built communities, society has also eliminated the natural predators of most game. Therefore most game tends to reproduce at rates that are unhealthy to the herd. Hunting is VITAL to the overall population of the herd.
-Hunters in most states through licenses and other fees tend to pay for the care and maintenance of most states Fisha nd Game departments that support healthy wildlife populations throughout the states. When helicopters are airlifting bales of hay other forms of feed to deer populations dying of starvation in the wintertime, hunters paid for that mission.
-MOST recreational hunters do so as much for the camaraderie and companionship of the hunting party than the do the actual kill.
-Someone mentioned hunting as a means of providing food in a SHTF scenario. Not so much. Most researchers have pretty clearly shown that a the wildilife population would be wiped out in short order if people were reliant on hunting and fishing as a food source. Durable food storage and a means of securing water is critical for a SHTF scenario where you might be expected to live long term without the convenience of grocery stores. That would give you time to begin crop production that would be necessary for long term gain.
-Even the Big Game Trophy Hunt of exotic animals that many people criticize actually provides the funds needed to support both the economy and the animal populations in those game preserves. But you know who DOESNT support the economy and animal populations in those game preserves/ The people that bitch about hunting.

 

[BirdinHand]

There are so many actual variables to consider when you discuss hunting.

-I find it interesting when people say 'humans shouldnt hunt animals. Why? are humans not on the food chain?
-Where society has built communities, society has also eliminated the natural predators of most game. Therefore most game tends to reproduce at rates that are unhealthy to the herd. Hunting is VITAL to the overall population of the herd.
-Hunters in most states through licenses and other fees tend to pay for the care and maintenance of most states Fisha nd Game departments that support healthy wildlife populations throughout the states. When helicopters are airlifting bales of hay other forms of feed to deer populations dying of starvation in the wintertime, hunters paid for that mission.
-MOST recreational hunters do so as much for the camaraderie and companionship of the hunting party than the do the actual kill.
-Someone mentioned hunting as a means of providing food in a SHTF scenario. Not so much. Most researchers have pretty clearly shown that a the wildilife population would be wiped out in short order if people were reliant on hunting and fishing as a food source. Durable food storage and a means of securing water is critical for a SHTF scenario where you might be expected to live long term without the convenience of grocery stores. That would give you time to begin crop production that would be necessary for long term gain.
-Even the Big Game Trophy Hunt of exotic animals that many people criticize actually provides the funds needed to support both the economy and the animal populations in those game preserves. But you know who DOESNT support the economy and animal populations in those game preserves/ The people that bitch about hunting.

Logic. Facts.

This will largely be ignored.

 

[JasperL]

Wow!

You really can't follow can you?

What is profoundly ignorant is you posting the obvious as a new discovery.

Hope this helps!

I didn't say it was a new discovery. I was making the point that seemed obvious to me, but that you snipped out of context. Idiots who condemn hunters are idiots if they're not vegan, since how we get our hamburger or fried chicken sandwich at Chick-fil-A is orders of magnitude more cruel to actual animals than hunting. Doesn't matter if we "need" to hunt. We don't "need" to eat meat, or wear leather, or eat eggs, or drink milk or eat cheese. Either killing animals is OK or it isn't. Whether it's by hunting or herding a cow or pig into a chute then firing a steel plug into its brain, I'm pretty sure an animal if given a choice would live in the wild and take the risk of hunters versus be cooped up in a tiny pen for all it's life, then getting that plug into the brain at a slaughterhouse, or being fed for it's entire life in a tiny cage, then hung by its legs upside down then having its neck cut off.

 

[JasperL]

Me: Hunting is straight up slaughter for fun and the culture it feeds is a blight on our great country.

Eating hamburgers or a pork tenderloin or sausage requires actual "straight up slaughter." And it's idiotic and in fact ignorant to label the "hunting" culture as a blight if eating meat raised in inhumane conditions on a modern factory farm isn't a worse blight on our society. Maybe you're a PETA member and/or a vegan? If so, your position is defensible.

 

[zsu2357]

Really, most people don't hunt...yet seem to survive

So you must have a personal criteria for the word "necessary".

So that would mean you've never had to hunt, trap or fish in order to eat? It's a good skill to have.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

I haven't shot a gun since I was in the Army. And that was almost 50 years ago... But when I lived in upstate NY everybody I knew hunted. And many times I would go with them..

I would dress warm, bring brandy and walk with them or sit in the lean-to and drink... Being in the woods, in the fall in NY was fun. I loved getting out in nature that time of year...

I use to fish constantly, and liked that... But getting out in Autumn, in the woods, was really nice...

 

[zsu2357]

Yep, nothing like bonding over slaughter.

Silly me, I golf to do the same.

If there is ever a time of need, you eat your golf clubs, I'll go for the squirrel or rabbit.

 

[zsu2357]

Oh, I did not realize what a service to the wild life hunters do by their slaughter.

I wonder how animals ever got along with humans murdering them....

OK ban all hunting (can't shoot Bambi) and see how fast deer multiply even with predators and see how fast they start starving and the ones that don't become nuances.

 

[JasperL]

OK ban all hunting (can't shoot Bambi) and see how fast deer multiply even with predators and see how fast they start starving and the ones that don't become nuances.

When we lived near the coast in NC, that came up several times. One was a small island with residences mostly and the deer were destroying everything, and the arguments against killing them and in this case donating the meat to food banks were some of the dumbest things possible. "Trap them" was a good one, or fire darts with deer birth control.... The wildlife people would point out how stupid those notions were, that it wouldn't work, that the cost would be insane even if it would work, and it wouldn't, and the idiots didn't care.

In the end they hired hunters to shoot them, because of course that was the only option other letting them eat every growing thing within reach, and the people wanted their pretty landscaping.

 

[RF667799]

Me: Hunting is straight up slaughter for fun and the culture it feeds is a blight on our great country.



As I typed this my CD ended. I was listening to The Brandenburg Concertos. What do you think I should spin next?

Ted Nugent

 

[RF667799]

When we lived near the coast in NC, that came up several times. One was a small island with residences mostly and the deer were destroying everything, and the arguments against killing them and in this case donating the meat to food banks were some of the dumbest things possible. "Trap them" was a good one, or fire darts with deer birth control.... The wildlife people would point out how stupid those notions were, that it wouldn't work, that the cost would be insane even if it would work, and it wouldn't, and the idiots didn't care.

In the end they hired hunters to shoot them, because of course that was the only option other letting them eat every growing thing within reach, and the people wanted their pretty landscaping.

When my daughter bought her property, the seller told her it would be advisable to either allow some deer hunting, or take up deer hunting herself. Especially if she planned on growing anything like a garden.

Her and I decided to take up deer hunting...resume deer hunting in my case. She was in her stand 15 or 20 minutes when she got her first deer, a couple weeks ago. The guy wasn't kidding about the sheer numbers of deer in this area.

 

[Rich2018]

In a SHTF situation there may not be grocery stores to buy food. Will you still be able to feed your family?

...and zombies stalk the land

When you leave your fantasy world and rejoin the real one, maybe you can offer worthwhile contributions to the thread ?

 

[RF667799]

...and zombies stalk the land

When you leave your fantasy world and rejoin the real one, maybe you can offer worthwhile contributions to the thread ?

Like the facetious personal attacks that are your offering?

 

[noonereal]

Either killing animals is OK or it isn't.

what a deep though

I would think there is a big difference between claiming an animal for sustenance and stalking a wild animal only to pierce it's flesh with mental for amusement.

But what do I know, I am an educated elite.

 

[noonereal]

Eating hamburgers or a pork tenderloin or sausage requires actual "straight up slaughter." And it's idiotic and in fact ignorant to label the "hunting" culture as a blight if eating meat raised in inhumane conditions on a modern factory farm isn't a worse blight on our society. Maybe you're a PETA member and/or a vegan? If so, your position is defensible.

Nah, the hunting culture is deplorable. Look how it has moved from teh woods to slaughter our children at school, for example. But it is hardly this simple.

 

[noonereal]

If there is ever a time of need, you eat your golf clubs, I'll go for the squirrel or rabbit.

Yeah, you live your life like a scared little coward if you like. I will not. Peace.

 

[Fishking]

I don't think I'd be much interested in hunting and I know I don't want to hunt deer.

I have no criticism of people who hunt. Most of the ones that do love it and they are the happiest, nicest people I know. With one exception, I've never known a hunter who was a mean jerk. I personally could get no satisfaction out of killing an animal, particularly a mammal. The thought of waiting on cold mornings for several days, to get one deer has no appeal at all. The one kind of hunting I might enjoy is bird hunting with a well-trained dog that flushes them out and then retrieves them. But I don't hav etime to learn all that. I'll stick with catfishing, since I can fry them up so tasty.

Here in Texas, it is open season on wild pigs year round. They are a varmint that destroys crops, so the more of them that get shot the better. My brother in law is always asking me to come shoot with him, because he knows I'm a natural marksman and we together could clear a large area. Mrs. Flops want to do it. She likes to shoot and she thinks that would be an adventure. I am trying to talk her out of it. I saw a video once of a wild sow getting shot and her adult pack members ran away, but her piglets ran to her and sniffed at her. When babies sense danger, they run to mama, not away. No, Mrs. Flops is sensitive and would be affected badly by that.

I was in line and a stranger suddenly started talking about shooting wild hogs that weekend. I said, "I don't think we're ever be rid of them." He said, "I hope not."

The one exception was this behavior student I knew once who talked about hunting with his Native American grandfather from Oklahoma. He told about times he shot bucks in such a way that he had to chase them to finish them off and one that he shot in the leg and got away. That boy needs to be on the range, not in a deer stand. He hunts with a semi-automatic rifle, which is not as accurate as a bolt action. I don't think he uses a scope. His granddaddy ain't teaching him right.

Sorry, for the rambling rant. Needed to say it.

Honestly, I think all people that eat meat should do a little bit of hunting, and field dressing the animal. It grounds people in what where you food actually comes from in a way that nothing else can. There is also something about the planning, patience, and practice of hunting that I feel is important to people. Nature is violence. It's just how it is, and we should understand it to some degree.

Yes, killing an animal still gives me a sad feeling, but realities need to be present and confronted. I think hunting is the most ethical form of obtaining meat out there, and by a large margin.

 

[noonereal]

OK ban all hunting (can't shoot Bambi) and see how fast deer multiply even with predators and see how fast they start starving and the ones that don't become nuances.

This post is screaming for a metal for murdering Bambi?

Oh, wait! That's the wrong one.

 

[Fishking]

Nah, the hunting culture is deplorable. Look how it has moved from teh woods to slaughter our children at school, for example. But it is hardly this simple.

Ummm...show me an avid hunter that then went to shoot up schools.