My take on the abortion issue.

[vergiss]

Accidents do happen though. One can hardly judge someone as being "irresponsible" when the condom broke or their Pill failed, as it was through no fault of their own.

 

[jamesrage]

I personally believe that abortion is the most barbaric act one human being can perpetrate on another unless of the life of the mother is endangered.....

I agree with you.The idea that murdering a unborn child on the so-called freedom of privacy just seems absurd.Perhaps one can get off murder if they drag their victim to their house and kill that victim,after all convicting the person would be a violation of his rights.

 

[vergiss]

I believe people who have sex, for whatever reason, should not have access to my tax dallors due to their irresponsibility. They should be able to deal with any consequences that result from their own actions. If they can't, then don't do it.

What's irresponsible? Getting pregnant? Accidents do happen, you realise.

Or is it the sex itself? How the hell is that irresponsible? Because there's some risk involved? Mate, there are risks in everything. Is crossing the street irresponsible, just because you might get hit by a truck?

 

[jamesrage]

you're joking right? Since Roe v. Wade, for all practical purposes the legal line where life begins open, and can be legislated all the way back to viability, which it essentially has been.
You are acting as if a fully grown human being is the same as a fetus that cannot survive outside of its mother. That's your opinion, but I just really hope that someday you realize how proposterous that is.
Like, I really REALLY hope you're joking, because I can't believe someone could say something that ridiculous with a straight face.

I am not joking.To you a unborn child is nothing more than a clump of cells like a toenail.To me a unborn child is a unborn child.THe Roe v. Wade rulling is based on a right to privacy,so if I kill,torture a person or grow a dozen marijuana plants in my house by that logic the police has no right to arrest me.

 

[jamesrage]

What's irresponsible? Getting pregnant? Accidents do happen, you realise.

Or is it the sex itself? How the hell is that irresponsible? Because there's some risk involved?

You made the descision to have have therefore you assume all responsibility of the consiquences.I as a tax payer should not be forced to fork out my tax dollars just so you can be irresponsible.
Of course I know personal responsibility is not a liberal notion and such a idea of personal responsibility is completely alien to liberals.

 

[vergiss]

So sex is irresponsible... right... how interesting that you decided to pretend my point about crossing the street doesn't exist.

Hey, I think I hear the 19th century calling!

 

[jamesrage]

So sex is irresponsible... right... how interesting that you decided to pretend my point about crossing the street doesn't exist.

Hey, I think I hear the 19th century calling!

Apparently many of these women and men still think it is.It is though they have never heard of condoms,birth controll pills and so on.
If you recklessly engage in sex with out proper protection. you get what ever you deserve.

If your dumbass decides to cross the street into traffic,then you deserve what ever happens to you.Just do not expect me to pay for it just because you failed to exercise common sense.

 

[shuamort]

jamesrage, you seem to be arguing two points at the same time here. One of which I completely agree with you. The government should not pay for anyone's abortion. I don't think that this should be a responsibility of the government at all.

To me a unborn child is a unborn child.

To me, it's a fetus.

THe Roe v. Wade rulling is based on a right to privacy,so if I kill,torture a person or grow a dozen marijuana plants in my house by that logic the police has no right to arrest me.

Half-right, the government doesn't recognize a fetus as a person, it does recognize a person as a person, so the first example would fall under the quoted 14th Amendment as that would be denying a person the right to life (liberty and the POH). As for marijuana plants, well, that's a completely different discussion. (Consensual crimes).

 

[ElGringo17]

Wrong again Shuamort, if the government didn't recognize an unborn child as a human, only as a fetus as you claim, then they wouldn't charge a man with attempted murder with two coutns if he stabbed a woman in her belly....

But then again, since male homosexual sodomy is also illegal in most states, based upon your self-identification a law I presume you violate, why would you care NOW what the govenment thinks?

 

[vergiss]

Apparently many of these women and men still think it is.It is though they have never heard of condoms,birth controll pills and so on.
If you recklessly engage in sex with out proper protection. you get what ever you deserve.

If your dumbass decides to cross the street into traffic,then you deserve what ever happens to you.Just do not expect me to pay for it just because you failed to exercise common sense.

Tell that to Busta. He "accidentally" knocked his wife up five times.

 

[windwalkers]

I agree.my take on the subject is that abortion is no less murder.And yes i do not belive that a woman has the right to kill of her ofspring just because she didn't keep her legs closed.
Only Good has the right to take us home to him.

 

[windwalkers]

I agree.my take on the subject is that abortion is no less murder.And yes i do not belive that a woman has the right to kill of her ofspring just because she didn't keep her legs closed.
Only God has the right to take us home to him.

cast your bread apond the waters

 

[Fantasea]

Accidents do happen though. One can hardly judge someone as being "irresponsible" when the condom broke or their Pill failed, as it was through no fault of their own.

Am I to believe that you wish me to think that since Roe v. Wade there have been nearly 50 million accidents?

 

[vergiss]

Am I to believe that you wish me to think that since Roe v. Wade there have been nearly 50 million accidents?

Where are the sources to say there have been 50 million abortions in the US?

Of course not all of them are accidents. There are definitely stupid, foolish people who gamble with unsafe sex or continue to use contraception they know doesn't work for them (*coughBustacough*). Frankly, they should be slapped across the face and have their genitals taken away from them until they grow up. However, you can't condemn everyone just because of a few idiots.

 

[Coolguy]

Regardless of how it is cared for when a mother gives up her child, life is a far better alternative than death. Ask any person whose mother chose that alternative for a child she didn't keep.

This is an opinion and I disagree with it.
Btw, I have asked that very question to many women and 95% of them were happy with their choice.

Here's why pro-choice folks make me mad: ...you have the CHOICE to engage in sexual activity if you are not mature and or responsible enough to have child. Instead, you indulge in your lusty desires and kill an innocent child that results from it. That is the epitome of SELFISHNESS.

Bottom line: If you can't raise a child, DON'T HAVE SEX.

I think this is one of the most ridiculous things I have heard.

• First of all sex isn't just about procreation it is about enjoyment also.
  It happens more for enjoyment then procreation.
  More fertilized eggs are naturally aborted than those that aren't.

The epitome of selfishness would be to bring a child into this world that you can't take care of.
The bottom line is that having an abortion is a responsible thing to do.

IMHO in the REAL world people are going to have sex and people are going to get pregnant when they do not want to get pregnant. To shake one's finger and say "sex is bad, don't have it" is not realistic.

Beyond that, abortion is a privacy issue, and no one has the right to tell a woman how to decide on this very personal issue.

Well said!

Playing the Devils advocate here...I think the bottom line for most people is they do not want BIG GOVERNMENTtelling them what they can and cannot do with their bodies.

I'm not saying I agree with this, but do we really want more government intrusion into our lifes?

Again...most of you just don't get it.

Abortion will never go away.

The only answer is early education, much of which the religious right is fervently against.

You cannot be pro-life and against sex education and more wide spread availability of contraceptives...it's hypocritical to be against things that could help prevent unwanted pregnancy in the first place, and call yourself pro-life.

Well said!

The government should not pay for anyone's abortion. I don't think that this should be a responsibility of the government at all.

I have to disagree with that. I think it should be a responsibility of the government to offer the procedure to those that can not afford it.
If the government provides the resources needed to have an abortion they are helping society from not having to provide additional support for a child that can not be supported by it's parents. A very economically sound position for society as a whole.

 

[jamesrage]

Originally Posted by vergiss
Where are the sources to say there have been 50 million abortions in the US?

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abortionstats/a/aaabortionstats_2.htm

 

[Fantasea]

This is an opinion and I disagree with it.
Btw, I have asked that very question to many women and 95% of them were happy with their choice.

It's nice to know we have a scientific pollster in out midst.

:rofl

 

[Fantasea]

Where are the sources to say there have been 50 million abortions in the US?

Two questions:

1. Does this surprise you?

2. Does it make a difference in your thinking?

 

[ProChoiceDanielle]

Two questions:

1. Does this surprise you?

2. Does it make a difference in your thinking?

Either way, there has not been 50 Million abortions in the US.

 

[Fantasea]

Half-right, the government doesn't recognize a fetus as a person, it does recognize a person as a person, so the first example would fall under the quoted 14th Amendment as that would be denying a person the right to life (liberty and the POH).

The very same government once didn't recognize negroes as full persons either; just 3/5ths of a person. It was, in fact, that very same 14th amendment which rectified this gross injustice and recognized the equality of all persons.

Slowly, but surely, as the knowledge of man is increasing, the gross injustice of Roe v. Wade is emerging. That it must hinge on the word "legalized" is proof that the question of abortion has degenerated into nothing more than an artificial political football.

That men may assert a thing does not cause a false thing to become true. Men assume a power not theirs when they presume to assert that an unborn human child is not a person and its life is of no consequence. They can't even find science or medical professionals to testify to that conclusion.

Legalized abortion has no supportable basis in fact; it is simply an emotional issue.

 

[Fantasea]

Either way, there has not been 50 Million abortions in the US.

What's your count?

 

[Coolguy]

It's nice to know we have a scientific pollster in out midst.

You never asked for a scienific poll! :doh
:rofl

You said; "Ask any person whose mother chose that alternative for a child she didn't keep.".
Which I already had done.

That men may assert a thing does not cause a false thing to become true. Men assume a power not theirs when they presume to assert that an unborn human child is not a person and its life is of no consequence. They can't even find science or medical professionals to testify to that conclusion.

Which is exactly why it was legalized in the first place.

Pro-Life has no supportable basis in fact; it is simply an emotional issue.

 

[vergiss]

Two questions:

1. Does this surprise you?

2. Does it make a difference in your thinking?

1. No.

2. No again.

Jamesrage, the source you quoted does not mention 50 million abortions.

 

[jamesrage]

Jamesrage, the source you quoted does not mention 50 million abortions.

The source only mentions statistics between 1973-1996 (34,201,800 abortions) for the U.S.

 

[vergiss]

The source only mentions statistics between 1973-1996 (34,201,800 abortions) for the U.S.

So you think there were another 15 million abortions since?