I read yesterday that to break the impasse in congress, Reid has promised to negotiate with House republicans to make Obamacare better. I found this interesting. First, it was an acknowledgment that the bill is flawed. My personal belief is that it's fatally flawed. If I were speaker of the house I wouldn't change a thing with the bill. I'd allow the bill to collapse on itself and be deemed unworkable.
Then I would do something market based to bring down costs and once costs are reduced, do something that makes business sense which is bi partisan instead of what we have now which is bi polar.
You all are outnumbered. But, I guess that never stopped the tyrants on the Right.The problem with just letting it fail because you know it will is that politicians will do absolutely anything to keep a failed government program alive. They'd rather just keep pumping billions and billions into it instead of addressing the core issue.
Admitting they were wrong and going back to the drawing board is something a politician will almost never do.
"Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program." ~ Dr. Milton Friedman
We need single payer, universal healthcare. I'd love to see the ACA collapse and be reborn as UHC.I read yesterday that to break the impasse in congress, Reid has promised to negotiate with House republicans to make Obamacare better. I found this interesting. First, it was an acknowledgment that the bill is flawed. My personal belief is that it's fatally flawed. If I were speaker of the house I wouldn't change a thing with the bill. I'd allow the bill to collapse on itself and be deemed unworkable.
Then I would do something market based to bring down costs and once costs are reduced, do something that makes business sense which is bi partisan instead of what we have now which is bi polar.
You all are outnumbered. But, I guess that never stopped the tyrants on the Right.
We need single payer, universal healthcare. I'd love to see the ACA collapse and be reborn as UHC.
You all are outnumbered. But, I guess that never stopped the tyrants on the Right.
You need to sometimes be a good neighbor and not some selfish POS who always demands he get his way.Is that the way you live your life? You always go with whatever the majority says?
I prefer to live my life using my own logic and making my own decisions. Hey, to each his own.
Whatever works as long as healthcare is no longer an employer's responsibility but rather one of government.Why not a multipayer system with an opt-out capability like Germany? Why do you want to force everybody under one system?
Yeah. Let's end medicare for old people and let them all fend for themselves. After all, "Healthcare is not a right, it's a product." :roll:Defunding Obamacare is impossible with a democrat Senate and President. I think it was important to make the statement though. I believe the bill will fail, it will harm the economy and decrease our quality of care.
We don't need single payer. That's a bad idea as well. Healthcare is not a right, it's a product. Everyone should be responsible for themselves but we are a compassionate society and there should be a safety net which guarantees that the sick and injured are cared for. They should be financially responsible for themselves however.
You need to sometimes be a good neighbor and not some selfish POS who always demands he get his way.
Whatever works as long as healthcare is no longer an employer's responsibility but rather one of government.
Yeah. Let's end medicare for old people and let them all fend for themselves. After all, "Healthcare is not a right, it's a product." :roll:
The problem with just letting it fail because you know it will is that politicians will do absolutely anything to keep a failed government program alive. They'd rather just keep pumping billions and billions into it instead of addressing the core issue.
Admitting they were wrong and going back to the drawing board is something a politician will almost never do.
"Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program." ~ Dr. Milton Friedman
I read yesterday that to break the impasse in congress, Reid has promised to negotiate with House republicans to make Obamacare better. I found this interesting. First, it was an acknowledgment that the bill is flawed. My personal belief is that it's fatally flawed. If I were speaker of the house I wouldn't change a thing with the bill. I'd allow the bill to collapse on itself and be deemed unworkable.
Then I would do something market based to bring down costs and once costs are reduced, do something that makes business sense which is bi partisan instead of what we have now which is bi polar.
If you understood the social contract, medicare is product which people pay for all their working lives. The product is recieved in old age.
If healthcare was a right, I would be able to take it from healthcare providers at no cost to me. It's not a right, it's a product so I have to pay the provider for it. The only right to healthcare is to not be discriminated against because of race or gender.
I read yesterday that to break the impasse in congress, Reid has promised to negotiate with House republicans to make Obamacare better. I found this interesting. First, it was an acknowledgment that the bill is flawed. My personal belief is that it's fatally flawed. If I were speaker of the house I wouldn't change a thing with the bill. I'd allow the bill to collapse on itself and be deemed unworkable.
Then I would do something market based to bring down costs and once costs are reduced, do something that makes business sense which is bi partisan instead of what we have now which is bi polar.
To me it seems that Tort Reform & ability to purchase insurance across state lines
would be an excellent start!
That said , Congress is mostly Lawyers & lobbiests so I'm not expecting it to happen!:twocents:
Yes, in fact they should enforce the original bill where there were no exemptions of special business friends and unions, no delays in the Employer mandate, no allowance of subsidies to cover Congress and staff, the president and his family should all also be subject to this stinker... see how long that would last...Perhaps I should have been more clear. Reid promised to negotiate to fix the republican issues with Obamacare if the House republicans passed a so called clean CR. Obama has said the same thing.
First, I wouldn't trust either of them. Second, I wouldn't allow one change to the bill because it is so destructive to our health care system and our economy the people are the ones who need to revolt against it, not the moron's in congress.
Is that the way you live your life? You always go with whatever the majority says?
Your information is incorrect. Reid did not say that. In fact, you may not have noticed, but the Republicans have changed their demands from repealing Obamacare to removing a couple of key provisions, to, now, talking about other things in the budget and dropping Obamacare demands altogether.
If I were you, I wouldn't rely on that source, any more, for accurate information. Where did you read that? (BTW, the ACA IS market based. How do you not know that? It's not much different from the way we buy insurance now...main difference now is that the plans have to contain certain coverages, and there's a cap on the premiums. But you still buy a policy from Blue Cross or United Health or Cigna, choose the plan you can afford, etc. It's between you and the ins. co.)
I read yesterday that to break the impasse in congress, Reid has promised to negotiate with House republicans to make Obamacare better. I found this interesting. First, it was an acknowledgment that the bill is flawed. My personal belief is that it's fatally flawed. If I were speaker of the house I wouldn't change a thing with the bill. I'd allow the bill to collapse on itself and be deemed unworkable.
Then I would do something market based to bring down costs and once costs are reduced, do something that makes business sense which is bi partisan instead of what we have now which is bi polar.
Republicans are scared ****less that Obamacare will not ruin our economy, or our healthcare system. Otherwise they would do EXACTLY what you suggest, which is the sensible thing to do.
I'm not a big supporter of Obamacare, but I don't buy into the rhetoric of the right that claims it is going to destroy anything. Most people aren't even significantly effected by it. Jan 1st 2014 is going to come and go, and few of us will notice that we are any better or worse off due to Obamacare. Republicans can't take the chance of that happening, because if it doesn't ruin something, then they will have been made out to be FOOLS, and few will ever trust them again - with anything. W
hile those on the far right will continue to be far right (regardess of what happens), the moderates and independents will be scared off from the republican party for life, and we will have single party rule for decades to come. Republicans have to find a way to either kill Obamacare (claiming that they saved the nation from collapse), or by finding a way to actually collapse the economy (claiming that it is the POTUS and democrats in congress who caused the collapse). Otherwise, Republicans can kiss the next few elections good-by.
It's a shamed that we have a party that has two factions, one faction wants to eliminate our fairly successful (by world standards) government perminatly, the others wants to temporarily destroy our economy for their own political gain. Disgraceful.
disclaimer: I am not a democrat, and have NEVER voted for a democrat candidate. I even voted for Reagan, the first Bush, and the second Bush (first term only). At this point, I have no allegience to any political party, and doubt that I ever will again.
Defunding Obamacare is impossible with a democrat Senate and President. I think it was important to make the statement though. I believe the bill will fail, it will harm the economy and decrease our quality of care.
We don't need single payer. That's a bad idea as well. Healthcare is not a right, it's a product. Everyone should be responsible for themselves but we are a compassionate society and there should be a safety net which guarantees that the sick and injured are cared for. They should be financially responsible for themselves however.
Thats what we do - in a democracy.
And yes, before you claim that we are not a democracy, I fully realize that we have a constitution, and thus are technically a republic - but we still vote for our leaders, thus we are ALSO a representative democracy.
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