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My Office: Masks or Vaccine or Disciplinary action

Checkerboard Strangler said:
I didn't invent anything, and I can't help it you choose to remain ignorant.
The information on viral loads and sterilizing immunity are easily found on the CDC website and elsewhere, it's not like it's the blueprints for the stealth bomber.
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In other words, your just throwing poo and seeing if anything will stick...eh? Sorry, till you provide something more than unsupported assertions and hand waving we have to assume your blown smoke.
 
Lursa said:
That and the fact he ignored: that the fewer vaccinated means more cases of CV19, which increases chances of more dangerous variants....the kind of 'head in the sand' thinking that endangers everyone. A future variant can be much more lethal to a wider range of people.
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Not to mention the probability that natural immunity from catching the virus may not be sufficient protection again mutated variants.
And in any case, the very thought of catching the virus as a means of procuring immunity is pure insanity.
I asked earlier if people would consider catching tuberculosis to get immunity.

How about

POLIO
EBOLA
DENGUE FEVER
SMALLPOX

and any of the other ten thousand + highly infectious and deadly viruses out there.
Anyone want to try catching polio so that they can have natural immunity?
 
maxparrish said:
In other words, your just throwing poo and seeing if anything will stick...eh? Sorry, till you provide something more than unsupported assertions and hand waving we have to assume your blown smoke.
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So you're saying that what the CDC publishes is "poo".
Gotcha.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Not by my hand. I can't fix the stupid in other people.
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You were trying to goad others into a potentially dangerous situation Mr. Decency, but hell, I prefer your “screw everyone I disagree with” attitude to any feigned and disingenuous concern. At least it’s more honest.
 
maxparrish said:
Unless you are saying that super spreaders still spread after being vaccinated, what is you point?
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That isn't what I said, and you know it, unless of course you're illiterate and someone else is over your shoulder doing instant bowdlerization of every post I make.
I think it's more a case of you attempting to troll, but maybe that's just me.
I said that the CDC is taking a very conservative approach to the subjects of sterilizing immunity and significantly reduced viral loads in vaccinated persons who still catch the virus, and in due time they will have collected and analyzed enough field data to finally make a determination.
 
X Factor said:
You were trying to goad others into a potentially dangerous situation Mr. Decency, but hell, I prefer your “screw everyone I disagree with” attitude to any feigned and disingenuous concern. At least it’s more honest.
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This sounds a lot like other futile attempts you've made in the past.
Those failed, too.
 
X Factor said:
Ah yes, “variants”. The new catchphrase in the battle to maintain control over people.
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The fact that you believe 'variants' is a 'new' catchphrase exposes more ignorance. Just because it's 'new to you' means little in the reality of epidemiology and how viruses function.

X Factor said:
If a vaccine is ineffective with regards to variants, than it truly is worthless.
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That's a big 'if.' Why do you ask that, is it your assumption? Fearmongering?

Do you own a TV? Access to even Fox News? You do have access to the Internet, obviously. For months they've been testing the vaccines against variants as they arise. And their consensus (so far, with the variants we've seen) is that they are at least somewhat to mostly effective, as they are related.

You are really embarrassing yourself here. Continue...🤷
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Not to mention the probability that natural immunity from catching the virus may not be sufficient protection again mutated variants.
And in any case, the very thought of catching the virus as a means of procuring immunity is pure insanity.
I asked earlier if people would consider catching tuberculosis to get immunity.

How about

POLIO
EBOLA
DENGUE FEVER
SMALLPOX

and any of the other ten thousand + highly infectious and deadly viruses out there.
Anyone want to try catching polio so that they can have natural immunity?
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People may not realize it, but microbes can adjust quickly to different host demographics...survival of the fittest. Their virulence and/or communicability ebb and flow as they move thru populations.

The more limited people's thinking, the more black and white they need things to be for them to accept.
 
Chomsky said:
You're trying to make a point based upon absolutist terms, when what's being done is minimizing risk. Not 'ensuring risk free', but rather 'minimizing risk'. Letting unvaccinated employees eat without a mask doesn't sound unreasonable. Though I surely wouldn't want to eat with them knowingly!
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a refusal to accept the good only because it is not the perfect
 
We have a really simple policy: If you don't get vaxxed or wear a mask, you're fired.
 
Lursa said:
The fact that you believe 'variants' is a 'new' catchphrase exposes more ignorance. Just because it's 'new to you' means little in the reality of epidemiology and how viruses function.


That's a big 'if.' Why do you ask that, is it your assumption? Fearmongering?

Do you own a TV? Access to even Fox News? You do have access to the Internet, obviously. For months they've been testing the vaccines against variants as they arise. And their consensus (so far, with the variants we've seen) is that they are at least somewhat to mostly effective, as they are related.

You are really embarrassing yourself here. Continue...🤷
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Awesome, that’s what a vaccine should do so now there’s no excuse for anyone to believe the unvaccinated are a threat to anyone other than other unvaccinated people. People have the option to protect themselves and no longer have any grounds for trying to dictate what anyone else does or doesn’t do. Hallelujah.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Because I try to be a decent ****ing human being, that's why.
I guess the concept of "asymptomatic super spreader" is impossible for you to understand.
And if you've never been vaxxed, and never been tested for antibodies, you have no idea if you caught the virus or not.
You may have caught it and remained asymptomatic while spreading it to others, not even knowing you did.
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And if you caught the virus and were symptomatic you don't build antibodies?
 
Hamish Howl said:
We have a really simple policy: If you don't get vaxxed or wear a mask, you're fired.
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I'd start looking for another job. Mostly because a job where I would have to be in that much proximity to others in order to merit such a thing is have probably not be long the anyway.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
That isn't what I said, and you know it, unless of course you're illiterate and someone else is over your shoulder doing instant bowdlerization of every post I make.
I think it's more a case of you attempting to troll, but maybe that's just me.
I said that the CDC is taking a very conservative approach to the subjects of sterilizing immunity and significantly reduced viral loads in vaccinated persons who still catch the virus, and in due time they will have collected and analyzed enough field data to finally make a determination.
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As I stated, unless you meant that super spreaders who are vaccinated are still super spreaders then why are you providing numerous links to super-spreaders? We all know (or should have known) by last summer that super spreaders are the main source of infection, not the generally infected.

And as the Polio vaccine has shown, you don't need sterilizing immunity (although the Moderna and Oxford vaccine has been shown to have that effect). Polio, for example, is also 90 percent effective but does not produce sterilizing immunity. However it works because a vaccine can lessen the ability of a pathogen to produce a disease response in a person without sterilizing it and that alone has prevented epidemic infection or even a notable infection.

Yes, at some point booster shots may be required. But as it stands, only a tiny proportion of few breakthrough infections have been detected. Therefore, best evidence is that a person in the workplace is protected if vaccinated and those that are not are only able to infect others that are not.

A lack of evidence is not evidence, and creating alarm about the unknown (e.g. variants) is panic mongering nonsense.
 
tacomancer said:
So my company just sent an email to all employees in my region. The summary of it is...

  • If you are vaccinated, you are excused from wearing a mask while in the office (but you must still wear one in meeting rooms (if one or more people there are not fully vaccinated) or in hallways)
  • If you are unvaccinated or in the middle of being vaccinated, you must wear a mask full time, except for when you are eating
  • You will be issued a badge to indicate whether or not you are vaccinated
  • If you are caught without a mask and without a badge, you will be sent home and open to disciplinary action
  • You are not allowed to harass anyone if they are making a different choice, but any violation should be dealt with by HR instead
This procedure does not violate EEOC rules per HR and Safety/ergonomics departments assessment (in consultation with legal I assume).

I work for a top global company that has their stuff together (legally) so if they are doing this, I strongly any other company is well within their rights to follow suit.

So get ready for your new badge at work folks!
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So much for following the science.

Is there a choice to continue to work from home?
 
Outlook said:
So much for following the science.

Is there a choice to continue to work from home?
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i missed the part of the post that showed us the science was not being followed

would you please point it out?
 
Lursa said:
Because the more of CV19 left circulating in the population, the more chance there is of more variants occuring and thus increasing the chances of more dangerous variants.

And of course, some of us do care about the very young and the immune-system compromised and others that cannot be vaccinated.
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X Factor said:
Awesome, that’s what a vaccine should do so now there’s no excuse for anyone to believe the unvaccinated are a threat to anyone other than other unvaccinated people. People have the option to protect themselves and no longer have any grounds for trying to dictate what anyone else does or doesn’t do. Hallelujah.
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Here you are again, repeating yourself like you didnt read what's been written. Odd. I reposted it for ya, for shits and giggles.

Odd also that you're not concerned about the increased likelihood of more dangerous variants that may not be affected by current vaccines but hey...I can only deliver information, not create critical thinking in other brains. (wow, that would be SOME Dr. eh?)

You get to set your own path and not give a shit about others or the future...I never wrote differently. You get to decide for you...but if you're going to put commentary out there for others that's dangerous...tsk tsk tsk. At least get the facts right.
 
Outlook said:
So much for following the science.

Is there a choice to continue to work from home?
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It depends on the department manager's preference. I was working from home before the pandemic started.
 
VySky said:
What is the method used to prove vaccination?
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You would know the answer if you got vaccinated. Everyone gets a proof of vaccination card with dates, vaccine lot numbers, and initialed by the administrator all on a nice little CDC card. Try it, you may find it really easy.
 
maxparrish said:
There is no such thing as a "non-symptomatic spreader" if you've been vaccinated. Such spreaders have active infections (and apparently very active given their "super-spreader" status).
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What University did you acquire your Medical Certification and what Lab did you conduct your research ?
 
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