My fellow MAGA supporters should embrace Single Payer, here's why.

[Channe79]

My fellow MAGA,

I've worked for a major hospital system for 14 years and I fully support the idea of Single Payer in America, and so should you. If we in MAGA believe in responsibility, today's health care insurance system is an utter failure. I have seen with my own eyes how corrupt and inept the for profit system is.

With Single Payer, every American will be taxed or have their government aid reduced in order to subsidize health care. Currently you have people driving to the ER in a new car, but claim no insurance. Who picks up the tab ? You and me ! How is this moral or logical ?

Secondly, how creepy is it that our health care is covered by our employer ? We never stop to think that our most intimate health care decisions are based on what type of insurance our employer provides. It is a disgusting feature of America's current health care system.

Oh, you're afraid of death panels ? Guess what - WE HAVE THEM NOW. They're called underwriters and they work for insurance companies and literally approve/deny care based on profit and fine line contracting.

There is nothing about Single Payer that is socialism. It is the idea that citizens of a country unite and decide that profit is not as important as the well being of your fellow countrymen. What's more patriotic than that ?

I'm telling you now, fellow MAGA supporters - one of the keys to making America great is destroying our for profit health care industry and removing health insurance all together. We need to embrace Single Payer where every single American - liberal or conservative - has to pay and put into the system. We can't keep living in a world where hospitals, doctors, the AMA, and insurance companies collude to screw us out of basic health care needs.

- Channe

 

[Hypothetical]

I am ready to try single payer and revive social security and medicare, . we just need politicians ready to attempt those things that are not bat**** insane about the rest of their politics.

perhaps we and the left can come to a compromise here, to work this out...

this is the important stuff , people.

 

[Ivan Denisovich]

I agree with single payor because it serves a traditional government function of promoting healthy people and families. It is not actually conservative to be against government aid for the poor--as far back as the Ancient times conservative oriented rulers frequently had significant benefit systems for the lower classes. It is actually neoliberalism that is against government welfare, not conservatism--but the American GOP is a neoliberal party not a conservative party. I do see signs that is changing.

I do think it is socialism though. If you take money from taxpayers and distribute a benefit out to all citizens, that ends up being socialism because you are redistributing payments from the wealthier taxpayers who pay more into the system to the lower income citizens who may end up paying nothing. Children of the poor or the unemployed certainly would pay nothing into the system.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Sadly America is one of the only countries in the world with actual death panels that decide who lives and dies, and the decision is made by for-profit insurance companies. Before the ACA, insurance companies could simply deny you an operation you desperately need to survive, purely because it would cost them too much.

Further, no country on the planet, UHC or otherwise, pays anywhere near as much per capita as the US does for healthcare, yet some 30+ countries rank higher than ours in most healthcare metrics. This is why it's ridiculously dishonest for anti-UHC advocates to ask "how would we pay for UHC". The real question is how can you assholes justify the continuation of our radically more expensive system? Where are you getting the money for that?

Lots of people try to argue about wait times in UHC countries, but in almost all cases emergency care is immediate, specialty appointments may take longer, but the US has a horrible problem with this as well, even worse when you consider the infinite wait time for tens of millions of Americans who can't afford to see a doctor at all.

If you consider yourself a fiscal conservative and aren't a total asshole who likes to watch his countrymen suffer, die or go bankrupt, you should support UHC, it will benefit you and everyone else.

 

[Channe79]

I do think it is socialism though. If you take money from taxpayers and distribute a benefit out to all citizens, that ends up being socialism because you are redistributing payments from the wealthier taxpayers who pay more into the system to the lower income citizens who may end up paying nothing. Children of the poor or the unemployed certainly would pay nothing into the system.

How is it socialism when all Americans are equally contributing towards the welfare of the nation ?
Is funding our military through taxes socialism ?
Is funding our police and fire department through taxes socialism ?
No - these are basic needs of a society and health care is a vital part of it.

 

[VanceMack]

I believe the death march to Universal Health Care (I recognize UHC is not the same as SP) is a question of when, not if.

Insurance companies where never a perfect solution (though if you understand the purpose of insurance you are less prone to see it as evil), but before the passage of the ACA, approx 87% of Americans were covered and most were satisfied with their plans, doctors, etc. The ACA shredded that and caused skyrocketing premiums and deductibles to the point that today for many...insurance is unusable. In order to afford the skyrocketing premiums caused by the ACA, the deductibles have also climbed to the point where many families will never meet their annual deductible to realize their insurance benefits.

By design...we will reach a point where the government 'answer' is to 'save' people by passing Universal Health Care. Everyone will be taxed to pay for the system that will be as bloated and worthless as most government programs. The rich will still be able to pay for private medical care. You can still pay for private insurance as well...but considering you will be paying for healthcare twice, not many would.

 

[Glitch]

My fellow MAGA,

I've worked for a major hospital system for 14 years and I fully support the idea of Single Payer in America, and so should you. If we in MAGA believe in responsibility, today's health care insurance system is an utter failure. I have seen with my own eyes how corrupt and inept the for profit system is.

With Single Payer, every American will be taxed or have their government aid reduced in order to subsidize health care. Currently you have people driving to the ER in a new car, but claim no insurance. Who picks up the tab ? You and me ! How is this moral or logical ?

Secondly, how creepy is it that our health care is covered by our employer ? We never stop to think that our most intimate health care decisions are based on what type of insurance our employer provides. It is a disgusting feature of America's current health care system.

Oh, you're afraid of death panels ? Guess what - WE HAVE THEM NOW. They're called underwriters and they work for insurance companies and literally approve/deny care based on profit and fine line contracting.

There is nothing about Single Payer that is socialism. It is the idea that citizens of a country unite and decide that profit is not as important as the well being of your fellow countrymen. What's more patriotic than that ?

I'm telling you now, fellow MAGA supporters - one of the keys to making America great is destroying our for profit health care industry and removing health insurance all together. We need to embrace Single Payer where every single American - liberal or conservative - has to pay and put into the system. We can't keep living in a world where hospitals, doctors, the AMA, and insurance companies collude to screw us out of basic health care needs.

- Channe

Read the US Constitution and get a clue.

The federal government has no constitutional authority to be involved in our healthcare at all. Only the States have that constitutional authority.

What happened to Trump's 2016 campaign promise to repeal ObamaCare? Which suddenly became "repeal and replace" after he was elected. It was all just another lie, as usual. Trump is a Democrat socialist pretending to be a Republican, and you bought into the lie. How pathetic.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

Employer-sponsored health insurance is a scam. Think about this: In order to qualify, you have to have a job - a full-time job. Second, if you're healthy enough to hold down a full-time job, chances are you don't need a lot of healthcare. Third, if you should get really sick or injured, you probably can't work. Therefore, you will probably lose your job, your income, and your healthcare insurance when you need it the most. It's a scam.

 

[Hypothetical]

I agree with single payor because it serves a traditional government function of promoting healthy people and families. It is not actually conservative to be against government aid for the poor--as far back as the Ancient times conservative oriented rulers frequently had significant benefit systems for the lower classes. It is actually neoliberalism that is against government welfare, not conservatism--but the American GOP is a neoliberal party not a conservative party. I do see signs that is changing.

I do think it is socialism though. If you take money from taxpayers and distribute a benefit out to all citizens, that ends up being socialism because you are redistributing payments from the wealthier taxpayers who pay more into the system to the lower income citizens who may end up paying nothing. Children of the poor or the unemployed certainly would pay nothing into the system.

that is true in a sense, but to me socialism is government control of the whole system, not just healthcare and a benefits programs we paid into our whole lives.

the Rich owe a civic debt to the infrastructure that supported them from middle class taxpayer money to allow them to obtain that wealth, in my mind.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Read the US Constitution and get a clue.

The federal government has no constitutional authority to be involved in our healthcare at all. Only the States have that constitutional authority.

What happened to Trump's 2016 campaign promise to repeal ObamaCare? Which suddenly became "repeal and replace" after he was elected. It was all just another lie, as usual. Trump is a Democrat socialist pretending to be a Republican, and you bought into the lie. How pathetic.

I absolutely love the fact that so many of you MAGAs that worshipped Trump for 4 years now try to pretend he was a secret Democrat because he didn't do anything he promised. He's your mistake and you don't get to put that on Democrats.

By the way, Republicans had 4 years to come up with a healthcare plan and couldn't even come up with a one page proposal. You people have no solutions and no ideas of your own.

 

[Channe79]

Read the US Constitution and get a clue.

The federal government has no constitutional authority to be involved in our healthcare at all. Only the States have that constitutional authority.

What happened to Trump's 2016 campaign promise to repeal ObamaCare? Which suddenly became "repeal and replace" after he was elected. It was all just another lie, as usual. Trump is a Democrat socialist pretending to be a Republican, and you bought into the lie. How pathetic.

There is nothing in the Constitution which forbids Single Payer. Single Payer covers the medical care of soldiers in our armed forces. What is forbidden is the interference of government in deciding who gets medical care. If everyone has equal access to any and all health care, the government isn't playing favorites. Right now you have local governments, hospitals, and insurance companies working together to maximize profit at the expense of Americans.

 

[Candyman]

Wow. Conservatives considering Single Payer? Is this opposite day? Because Conservatives have been dead set against anything that interferes with the US's lucrative billions-of-dollars-a-year for-profit health insurance system. I mean look at their screaming shit fit over the Obamacare issue. Which, by the way, didn't solve anything really. It just handed a bunch of people over to the insurance companies who still make obscene profits.
For the record I think Single Payer is the next logical step. There have been no measures introduced in decades which make healthcare insurance affordable for the average person. Unless you qualify for government subsidized insurance or have an an employer who can negotiate your premiums you're shit out of luck. I know a number of self-employed people who absolutely can't afford insurance and that's bullshit. Our system is rigged and politicians don't care. Because if you look close enough some of your premiums end up in their pockets.

 

[Glitch]

I believe the death march to Universal Health Care (I recognize UHC is not the same as SP) is a question of when, not if.

Insurance companies where never a perfect solution (though if you understand the purpose of insurance you are less prone to see it as evil), but before the passage of the ACA, approx 87% of Americans were covered and most were satisfied with their plans, doctors, etc. The ACA shredded that and caused skyrocketing premiums and deductibles to the point that today for many...insurance is unusable. In order to afford the skyrocketing premiums caused by the ACA, the deductibles have also climbed to the point where many families will never meet their annual deductible to realize their insurance benefits.

By design...we will reach a point where the government 'answer' is to 'save' people by passing Universal Health Care. Everyone will be taxed to pay for the system that will be as bloated and worthless as most government programs. The rich will still be able to pay for private medical care. You can still pay for private insurance as well...but considering you will be paying for healthcare twice, not many would.

Health insurance companies came into being because of the fascist FDR's unconstitutional freeze on wages from 1941 until 1945. Since companies could not offer an increase in wages during that period they began offering other non-monetary benefits, such as health insurance coverage, in order to gain new employees or retain existing ones.

Then the Democratic Party illegally created MediCare/MedicAid during early 1960s and paid pennies on the dollar for medical services. Which caused consumers to pick up the tab through skyrocketing health insurance premiums.

Had government - the Democratic Party specifically - actually abided the US Constitution and left healthcare where it was constitutionally intended, with the States, there wouldn't be any of the issues we are seeing today.

 

[JMB802]

Health insurance companies came into being because of the fascist FDR's unconstitutional freeze on wages from 1941 until 1945. Since companies could not offer an increase in wages during that period they began offering other non-monetary benefits, such as health insurance coverage, in order to gain new employees or retain existing ones.

Then the Democratic Party illegally created MediCare/MedicAid during early 1960s and paid pennies on the dollar for medical services. Which caused consumers to pick up the tab through skyrocketing health insurance premiums.

Had government - the Democratic Party specifically - actually abided the US Constitution and left healthcare where it was constitutionally intended, with the States, there wouldn't be any of the issues we are seeing today.

Settled law is settled law. Until it's not.

 

[Channe79]

Wow. Conservatives considering Single Payer? Is this opposite day? Because Conservatives have been dead set against anything that interferes with the US's lucrative billions-of-dollars-a-year for-profit health insurance system. I mean look at their screaming shit fit over the Obamacare issue. Which, by the way, didn't solve anything really. It just handed a bunch of people over to the insurance companies who still make obscene profits.
For the record I think Single Payer is the next logical step. There have been no measures introduced in decades which make healthcare insurance affordable for the average person. Unless you qualify for government subsidized insurance or have an an employer who can negotiate your premiums you're shit out of luck. I know a number of self-employed people who absolutely can't afford insurance and that's bullshit. Our system is rigged and politicians don't care. Because if you look close enough some of your premiums end up in their pockets.

MAGA is not the GOP. We are not run by neocons who use America to further oil profits and benefit Israel.
We are nationalists and Single Payer is a key part of that. We are loyal to America first, America only.
Yes, there's an extreme faction in q anon who are bumbling idiots who did and support Jan 6th, but most of us don't.

 

[JMB802]

MAGA is not the GOP. We are not run by neocons who use America to further oil profits and benefit Israel.
We are nationalists and Single Payer is a key part of that. We are loyal to America first, America only.
Yes, there's an extreme faction in q anon who are bumbling idiots who did and support Jan 6th, but most of us don't.

You are free to define "MAGA" in any way that makes you feel comfortable about supporting it. It doesn't mean that your definition is correct.

 

[VanceMack]

Health insurance companies came into being because of the fascist FDR's unconstitutional freeze on wages from 1941 until 1945. Since companies could not offer an increase in wages during that period they began offering other non-monetary benefits, such as health insurance coverage, in order to gain new employees or retain existing ones.

Then the Democratic Party illegally created MediCare/MedicAid during early 1960s and paid pennies on the dollar for medical services. Which caused consumers to pick up the tab through skyrocketing health insurance premiums.

Had government - the Democratic Party specifically - actually abided the US Constitution and left healthcare where it was constitutionally intended, with the States, there wouldn't be any of the issues we are seeing today.

Insurance is meant to cover catstrophic costs. When we turned it into something meant to cover daily expenses, we let the horses loose and bitched about the stampede.

 

[Glitch]

I absolutely love the fact that so many of you MAGAs that worshipped Trump for 4 years now try to pretend he was a secret Democrat because he didn't do anything he promised. He's your mistake and you don't get to put that on Democrats.

By the way, Republicans had 4 years to come up with a healthcare plan and couldn't even come up with a one page proposal. You people have no solutions and no ideas of your own.

It was no secret that Trump was a member of the Democratic Party his entire life, and a massive Hillary supporter during the 2008 election. Trump and the Clintons go back to when the Clintons moved to NY. Trump even invited them to his wedding, they were that close. Trump became a Republican for the very first time in his life in 2012. Specifically for the purpose of running for President in 2016 as a Republican candidate.

When you look up the meaning of RINO in the dictionary, you will see a picture of Trump.

As a matter of record, I never vote for leftist filth. I leave that to your ilk.

 

[ttwtt78640]

My fellow MAGA,

I've worked for a major hospital system for 14 years and I fully support the idea of Single Payer in America, and so should you. If we in MAGA believe in responsibility, today's health care insurance system is an utter failure. I have seen with my own eyes how corrupt and inept the for profit system is.

With Single Payer, every American will be taxed or have their government aid reduced in order to subsidize health care. Currently you have people driving to the ER in a new car, but claim no insurance. Who picks up the tab ? You and me ! How is this moral or logical ?

Secondly, how creepy is it that our health care is covered by our employer ? We never stop to think that our most intimate health care decisions are based on what type of insurance our employer provides. It is a disgusting feature of America's current health care system.

Oh, you're afraid of death panels ? Guess what - WE HAVE THEM NOW. They're called underwriters and they work for insurance companies and literally approve/deny care based on profit and fine line contracting.

There is nothing about Single Payer that is socialism. It is the idea that citizens of a country unite and decide that profit is not as important as the well being of your fellow countrymen. What's more patriotic than that ?

I'm telling you now, fellow MAGA supporters - one of the keys to making America great is destroying our for profit health care industry and removing health insurance all together. We need to embrace Single Payer where every single American - liberal or conservative - has to pay and put into the system. We can't keep living in a world where hospitals, doctors, the AMA, and insurance companies collude to screw us out of basic health care needs.

- Channe

Which specific “single payer” bill are you supporting? You made many mentions to (the evils of?) profit, yet addressed only the profit of insurance companies. Most medical care providers are also for profit entities. The idea that medical care providers could (successfully) negotiate with a single payer (aka federal government) entity is doubtful.

 

[Channe79]

Health insurance companies came into being because of the fascist FDR's unconstitutional freeze on wages from 1941 until 1945. Since companies could not offer an increase in wages during that period they began offering other non-monetary benefits, such as health insurance coverage, in order to gain new employees or retain existing ones.

Then the Democratic Party illegally created MediCare/MedicAid during early 1960s and paid pennies on the dollar for medical services. Which caused consumers to pick up the tab through skyrocketing health insurance premiums.

Had government - the Democratic Party specifically - actually abided the US Constitution and left healthcare where it was constitutionally intended, with the States, there wouldn't be any of the issues we are seeing today.

If you ask for a receipt of services from any ED, the costs will be lower than if you didn't.
This is because the hospital overcharges on everything, ten fold, and bills in the insurance companies who in turn keep hiking up premiums. It's a scam and the only losers are the American people.

 

[Rucker61]

The party that successfully implements a UHC program will win elections for a long time.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

My fellow MAGA,

I've worked for a major hospital system for 14 years and I fully support the idea of Single Payer in America, and so should you. If we in MAGA believe in responsibility, today's health care insurance system is an utter failure. I have seen with my own eyes how corrupt and inept the for profit system is.

With Single Payer, every American will be taxed or have their government aid reduced in order to subsidize health care. Currently you have people driving to the ER in a new car, but claim no insurance. Who picks up the tab ? You and me ! How is this moral or logical ?

Secondly, how creepy is it that our health care is covered by our employer ? We never stop to think that our most intimate health care decisions are based on what type of insurance our employer provides. It is a disgusting feature of America's current health care system.

Oh, you're afraid of death panels ? Guess what - WE HAVE THEM NOW. They're called underwriters and they work for insurance companies and literally approve/deny care based on profit and fine line contracting.

There is nothing about Single Payer that is socialism. It is the idea that citizens of a country unite and decide that profit is not as important as the well being of your fellow countrymen. What's more patriotic than that ?

I'm telling you now, fellow MAGA supporters - one of the keys to making America great is destroying our for profit health care industry and removing health insurance all together. We need to embrace Single Payer where every single American - liberal or conservative - has to pay and put into the system. We can't keep living in a world where hospitals, doctors, the AMA, and insurance companies collude to screw us out of basic health care needs.

- Channe

Crooked donnie trump said he would have a plan that covered everybody and was awesome and inexpensive.
Problem is: it just never remotely happened, nothing was even put forth. The only vague suggestion was something along the lines that they would just remove "government" (regulation & consumer protection) completely out of the equation. They tried to repeal ObamaCare™ even though they had zilch to replace it with.
Thankfully that was another trump#FAILURE.
Right now I have a free Socialist BidenCare™ Plan, and its working VERY well Channe. Very VERY well heh heh heh heh heh.

 

[Helix]

I support single payer. Maybe a Medicaid for all model with more complete coverage.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Wow. Conservatives considering Single Payer? Is this opposite day? Because Conservatives have been dead set against anything that interferes with the US's lucrative billions-of-dollars-a-year for-profit health insurance system. I mean look at their screaming shit fit over the Obamacare issue. Which, by the way, didn't solve anything really. It just handed a bunch of people over to the insurance companies who still make obscene profits.
For the record I think Single Payer is the next logical step. There have been no measures introduced in decades which make healthcare insurance affordable for the average person. Unless you qualify for government subsidized insurance or have an an employer who can negotiate your premiums you're shit out of luck. I know a number of self-employed people who absolutely can't afford insurance and that's bullshit. Our system is rigged and politicians don't care. Because if you look close enough some of your premiums end up in their pockets.

Well....maybe this "Channe"....isnt really a "conservative"?

 

[Glitch]

Insurance is meant to cover catstrophic costs. When we turned it into something meant to cover daily expenses, we let the horses loose and bitched about the stampede.

Yet it was one way the free market could get around the FDR's unconstitutional mandate. I can't fault the ingenuity, but I can fault the fascist. Until FDR's illegal wage freeze insurance of all types only covered catastrophic loss. The only type of health insurance that existed before FDR was life insurance, which only paid out upon death. That is about as catastrophic of a loss as it gets.