My brilliant "two mask" plan to save only liberals from Covid.

[Robertinfremont]

I believe you don't wear a mask and hope to spread the disease to all those traitorous liberals.

Your claims to the contrary are fake news.

Murderer!

(Kinda sucks to have someone talk about you that way, doesn't it?)

I mark it down to ignorance going after me.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Lying again to make your point? At least you're a consistent poster of lies. I understand, that you're taking your cues from your Dear Leader who only lies.

Statistically, less than 50% of Americans wear masks. The chart cited is relevant and the truth. Your post is a lie.

Again, where is your proof for your ABSOLUTE CLAIMS?

 

[Quag]

I am saying that IF some snowflake CLAIMS that masks are only for someone who has COVID from spreading it that if you wear HIS mask (a second one) you are negating the problem of some scofflaw not wearing a mask because you have two on.

Simple solutions for major life's problems. that is what I am here for.

On, by the by, this thread has 180 posts now and not a ONE of you has told me why this plan wouldn't work. Go figure, eh?

What you are actually saying is that you arent very intelligent

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I stopped at “My brilliant......”

Agreed.

 

[Quag]

The guy is brilliant.

I can see him from IDAHO yanking Democrats legs and they get angry.

As brilliant as foggy night

 

[ElChupacabra]

That is EXACTLY what I am saying. Neither you, I nor ANY medical doctors, epidemiologists or scientists have this information. Therefore, all we can rely on is logic and common sense and math. ALL states are wearing masks and social distancing and have been for months, in spite of some contentions about a partial re-opening. NO businesses here allowed people to go in without a mask and probably still won't unless congress passes legislation to absolve them of lawsuits. This any contention that California is different that New York is hogwash. They are identical with regard to protective measures. So, then what do we have to do to explain why those four states right next to each other have almost dropped off the map as far as deaths while other states are being hit hard?

NY and California have not been identical on protective measures. For starters, NY hasn't had any indoor restaurant or bar reopening as of yet, while California has rolled back this policy. Other states which have experienced large surges also featured the reintroduction of indoor activities, albeit not at full capacity.

We KNOW these things for sure and can prove them. Over 80% of those who die are over 65. Of those, 97% of the have one or MORE serious preexisting conditions. That leaves just a handful of elderly people who have no health issues. Then the question becomes of how many people in New York over 65 have serious existing health issues that the virus would attack and wind up killing that person? What we need to know is exactly the existing conditions and how many have those and I doubt there is any way to determine this.

So without knowing, you're still supporting the idea everyone should just take their chances?

One thing is for sure, ElChupacabra, is that there are only so many people in that universe of elderly people, right? Just because someone is over 65 doesn't mean he will die if he gets COVID or that he will even get it. Some over 65 may get it and have no symptoms or mild ones.

See above.

Of those who do die, we are talking SERIOUS health issues going in. that's why nursing homes are hit so hard. Healthy people even at 80 don't live in nursing homes. By your numbers, about 1% of the elderly people died. (0067).

Based on the fact that COVID appears to be almost done there, I am suggesting that this virus has killed all those elderly people who has serious ailments that it would or will kill, and the SAME math will hold true in other states. The virus WILL kill all of the elderly people WITH the health issues (diabetes, obesity, etc.) that it is designed to kill. When it does, it's gone.

You have no "fact" here because you can't quantify what you're positing. If there were no restrictions in place, the virus had spread freely, and then we would see this kind of drop off then you would have a point. As we continue to reopen, more people will become exposed but at a controllable rate. At that point we'll have better data on where we are with immunity on a larger scale.

 

[Paradoxical]

Here in the Treasure Valley, where the elevation is only 2600 ft, the winter is mild. Sure up in the mountains, and way up to Coeur D'Alene, it is very different.

Anyway, maybe you will love the desert. Last time I was in AZ it was 108 and too hot for this guy that was raised and lived for years in the SF Bay Area.

Think of all the mistaken citizens who think of CA as one climate.

They are wrong.

Just in the SF Bay area, they have I believe around 9 climates.

Marin County for instance is a place of very heavy rains. I lived in Fremont where the rainfall is very mild indeed.

I also once lived in home I owned in Pleasanton and would drive to Fremont daily and in Pleasanton 20 miles distant, it was 10 degrees hotter than in Fremont.

I live near Santa Clarita at an elevation of 2500 feet and we get weather of 105 or little higher but not all the time. Just formaybe a few weeks or so. In Prescott, they have four seasons and it usually doesn't get hotter than a hundred and usually not for too many days. The elevation is about 5000 feet with lots of pins. Prescott has the most Ponderosa Pines of any city in he U.S.

 

[Paradoxical]

What you are actually saying is that you arent very intelligent

Yet, once again, folks. Notice Quag cannot refute what I say. Now why would that be if I am not very intelligent? It can only be one of two things.

1.) That I AM very intelligent and he is not, or;
2.) That I really am dumb but he is dumber because he can't refute my premise.

Door number one is the correct answer.


204 posts now and not a ONE of you has refuted the OP. Why would that be?

 

[Paradoxical]

ElChupacabra;1072541835]NY and California have not been identical on protective measures. For starters, NY hasn't had any indoor restaurant or bar reopening as of yet, while California has rolled back this policy. Other states which have experienced large surges also featured the reintroduction of indoor activities, albeit not at full capacity.

This is not true. California bars are closed. restaurants are open ONLY for outdoor seating and because of that, remain closed. Outdoor seating requires distancing and masks. ALL stores require masks and distancing or there is no entry allowed.

So without knowing, you're still supporting the idea everyone should just take their chances?



See above.

You have no "fact" here because you can't quantify what you're positing. If there were no restrictions in place, the virus had spread freely, and then we would see this kind of drop off then you would have a point. As we continue to reopen, more people will become exposed but at a controllable rate. At that point we'll have better data on where we are with immunity on a larger scale.

You have not offered any proof that the states that are having the huge spikes is because they are not distancing or not wearing masks. You are just making a claim. In some of the states, there was a relaxation for a short period but those states went back to shutdowns quickly and have been suing masks and distancing for months.

You and all the others have not said why Sweden who did not lock down or wear masks is now at near zero deaths.

In short,masks are just a big placebo. We might as well wear them over our eyes because they are blinders.

 

[jakiejakester]

One more thing about Idaho that differs enormously from NY state that is run by Democrats Cuomo.

While he suffered something like 40,000 deaths, we only suffered around 357 deaths.

And he ordered infected patients into nursing homes where they infected others there.

Comparing Idaho to NY is a joke, right? 3 million Europeans came thru JFK in January, Feb and March - almost double the population of Idaho. Public transportation in Idaho is a horse, right? The 3 million people spread Covid everywhere at a time when we really didn't have any containment strategies but then we learned and now on a daily basis NY has less deaths than Idaho despite there being approximately 9 New Yorkers for every Idahoan.

No one is perfect, including Cuomo but he worked his ass off with daily news conferences explaining clearly and without lies what was happening and what we needed to do and now NY is one of the safest, if not the safest places to be.

Trump on the other hand encourages the opposite. How insane was it to have 1500 people at the White House, most not being tested, without masks the other night? That is the perfect example of his recklessness and his refusal to set an example for Americans. It's why millions of Americans think he's responsible for killing thousands and thousands of Americans indirectly. Don't you think President Obama would have done everything he would have to encourage everyone to wear a mask? Wouldn't Obama himself worn masks all the time? Doesn't Biden wear a mask all the time?

BTW - you exaggerated NY State deaths by 25%. 32K have died, not 40K.

Bottom line is that mask wearing, restaurants being open only for outdoor dining, bars closed, 90%+ of the population wearing a mask are why we had 3 deaths yesterday.

Idaho is almost all rural and has no density (though it does have some really dense people)...

 

[jakiejakester]

In short, if only the COVID carrier can transmit the virus and he won't if he has a mask, why not just wear a second mask? That solves the problem. And, if you say that the mask needs to be worn by the COVID carrier, just wear it backwards.

Another lie...Masks are not 100% safe but they do prevent people from transmitting the virus. You discounted my previous post that showed how 67K lives can be saved in the next 3 months if 95% of the population were to wear masks in public. You can ignore it bit those are the facts, the truth. I fully understand that you don't care if 67K additional Americans die.

BTW, are you the one who reported me before? Just checking. A post about two masks isn't reportable is it? I don't know these things. Here I am trying to save lives and you are scoffing and won't say why. It's like saying "I know 2 plus 2 equals four. I just don't like it."

I have no idea what you're talking about but it should surprise no one that people on this Forum report you. Maybe if you told the truth and stopped attacking people there would be nothing to report about you?

 

[Robertinfremont]

Comparing Idaho to NY is a joke, right? 3 million Europeans came thru JFK in January, Feb and March - almost double the population of Idaho. Public transportation in Idaho is a horse, right? The 3 million people spread Covid everywhere at a time when we really didn't have any containment strategies but then we learned and now on a daily basis NY has less deaths than Idaho despite there being approximately 9 New Yorkers for every Idahoan.

No one is perfect, including Cuomo but he worked his ass off with daily news conferences explaining clearly and without lies what was happening and what we needed to do and now NY is one of the safest, if not the safest places to be.

Trump on the other hand encourages the opposite. How insane was it to have 1500 people at the White House, most not being tested, without masks the other night? That is the perfect example of his recklessness and his refusal to set an example for Americans. It's why millions of Americans think he's responsible for killing thousands and thousands of Americans indirectly. Don't you think President Obama would have done everything he would have to encourage everyone to wear a mask? Wouldn't Obama himself worn masks all the time? Doesn't Biden wear a mask all the time?

BTW - you exaggerated NY State deaths by 25%. 32K have died, not 40K.

Bottom line is that mask wearing, restaurants being open only for outdoor dining, bars closed, 90%+ of the population wearing a mask are why we had 3 deaths yesterday.

Idaho is almost all rural and has no density (though it does have some really dense people)...

Sorry the Democrats loathe Idaho so much. If you love a state, tell me why you love Cuomo who killed about 20,000 old at nursing homes?

 

[jakiejakester]

New York is now achieving immunity because the virus is pretty much done there. It killed just about all it's gonna. Only so many old people with serious existing conditions and they have been killed. Pure math and logic, jake. The masks didn't do diddly and neither did Cuomo.

Utter and pure BS. You totally made up your statement. Show us, please one legitimate news source that claims that NY state has herd immunity and there's no one left to die? Why must you lie? Is it because your lies serve your purpose and the truth totally discredits inane statements like this post?

 

[jakiejakester]

:lamo

Sure, if you ignore that social distancing measures restricting people coming into contact the way they used to are still in place. So tell us, how do you know the virus is "pretty much done there" other than your assumption based on nothing?

He doesn't. He's making it all up and can't support his ridiculous claim with one iota of fact. He must be listening to his Dear Leader who told him it "will be like a miracle and just disappear."

Lemmings!

 

[Robertinfremont]

Another lie...Masks are not 100% safe but they do prevent people from transmitting the virus. You discounted my previous post that showed how 67K lives can be saved in the next 3 months if 95% of the population were to wear masks in public. You can ignore it bit those are the facts, the truth. I fully understand that you don't care if 67K additional Americans die.



I have no idea what you're talking about but it should surprise no one that people on this Forum report you. Maybe if you told the truth and stopped attacking people there would be nothing to report about you?

WOW, that was one hell of a vicious attack. Are you asking to be reported?

 

[jakiejakester]

Not working in California, Texas and Florida and other states and countries. Go figure, eh?

Because they opened indoor dining and bars and in states like Texas and Florida their bootlicking Governors defied almost all of the CDC guidelines that led to their surges in June, July and August. Their Governors were such butt kissers that they ignored the obvious path of containment shown in NY and followed Trump's disastrous "leadership" that has led to thousands of unnecessary deaths in those states. Only until they literally had no choice did they mandate people to wear masks and guess what? Cases are declining though deaths are still high and their infection rate is still high.

 

[jakiejakester]

As I said, the virus has already done what it was gonna do in those four states. Very few left to kill, meaning those with severe preexisting conditions are weeded out.

:lamo:lamo
:lamo:lamo

 

[jakiejakester]

Brownie did a very fine job as FEMA director.

OMG! :lamo

Hurricane Katrina's 'Brownie': Where is he now?

"Brownie," critics claimed, had not done a "heckuva job" at all. He and his agency were roundly condemned as executing a slow, uncoordinated and ineffective response. And when it emerged that his previous non-White House job was as a commissioner of the obscure and apparently elitist International Arabian House Association, many eyebrows raised.

Like Trump appointees he has no background in what he was appointed to run...kind of like our current Postmaster General - the first one in eons without any USPS experience.

 

[jakiejakester]

Your evidence that less than half of Californians wear masks?

Oh WAIT! You pulled it out of your posterior.

I did not write that people in Calie wear masks at any percentage. I wrote about the entire country. Calie's mistake was opening indoor dining and bars...and they've paid dearly with lives lost. Newsome's biggest mistake was allowing economic pressure persuade him to open too soon. In NY we don't bow down to that thinking.

Bottom line is that until Covid is contained like it is in NY the economy will suffer all over the country. Why did more than 1 million people file for unemployment again last week?

 

[jakiejakester]

I think I speak for a large group, why don't you supply actual proof with your claims?

What are you asking me to prove? Be specific and I will reply again with facts, not fiction like the OP...

 

[jakiejakester]

It’s so weird that for a country that has the virus under control, Americans’ passports are barred from most of Europe.

What do they know about our virus situation that we do not, i wonder?


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Exactly and a bigger question is why if the US has 4% of the world population we account for about 25% of the deaths globally?

 

[jakiejakester]

Again, where is your proof for your ABSOLUTE CLAIMS?

If you're asking about percentage of mask wearing Americans (which has gone up in the last 45 days due to the surge in cases and deaths around the country) can be found at this link I posted earlier.

COVID-19

Scroll down to the MASK USE chart.

This is the U of Washington center that Trump relies on for his stats...just doesn't talk about them anymore since they're now projecting over 300K deaths in the US by December 1st.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Utter and pure BS. You totally made up your statement. Show us, please one legitimate news source that claims that NY state has herd immunity and there's no one left to die? Why must you lie? Is it because your lies serve your purpose and the truth totally discredits inane statements like this post?

Paradoxical has been extra polite to you. But you are crude to the man and operate as if part of some mob. Why?

 

[jakiejakester]

Sorry the Democrats loathe Idaho so much. If you love a state, tell me why you love Cuomo who killed about 20,000 old at nursing homes?

You're lying again! Less than 7K residents of nursing homes have died. Still way too many and Cuome made mistakes early on that did cause people their lives but a good part of that was due to lack of PPE at the nursing homes because they couldn't get them. The spread came from the employees more than the patients.

You exaggerated the deaths by almost 300%! Shame on you. At least tell the truth with numbers while you lie in your posts...

 

[Robertinfremont]

If you're asking about percentage of mask wearing Americans (which has gone up in the last 45 days due to the surge in cases and deaths around the country) can be found at this link I posted earlier.

COVID-19

Scroll down to the MASK USE chart.

This is the U of Washington center that Trump relies on for his stats...just doesn't talk about them anymore since they're now projecting over 300K deaths in the US by December 1st.

Thank you so much. Statistics is one way to lie. Do you know that?

The site you sent me to makes a blanket statement that I directly copied from your own link. Note the qualifier words, ALWAYS wear in public. That is not necessary.

If I go outside in my backyard, why wear a mask?

Always means always, not some or most of the time.

From your link.


Mask use represents the percentage of the population who say they always wear a mask in public. Mask use can reduce transmission by 30% or more.
Mask use represents the percentage of the population who say they always wear a mask in public. Mask use can reduce transmission by 30% or more.