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Multiple victims in Texas church shooting, local media reports[W:28:100:205,628]**

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calamity said:
When was Columbine? Figure how many million fewer people would have one of these death machines if assault weapons were banned back then. So, as a result maybe this guy would not have had access to his semi-auto, which I am sure he bought long after Columbine.
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We had an "assault" weapons ban for ten years and it hadn't stopped any shootings. in fact, there more in that time span. Not only that, but 60% of all mass shootings are done with handguns. and finally, a more effective way to stop mass shootings is for law abiding citizens to be armed.
 
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SheWolf said:
I dont think any studies have really been done in the minds of these why shooters and why they do it. A lot of people like to say, oh, they are just nuts and snapped. I really don't think it's that simple. According to media reports, the Las Vegas shooter looked sane on the outside. These shootings also require a lot of planning and strategizing. It's so cliche to say they just snapped. For all the political talk about mental health, our politicians haven't done anything. It's like they don't care. We really are just living from one tragedy to the next, while DC plays lip service to mental health issues and the victims.
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Agreed which is why I used the word evil. I think you can be completely Sane of mind and still committ horrific crimes, human history taught us as much which is why I’ve never fully bought into the mental illness line of thought.
 
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Desert Storm said:
For those who are screaming gun-control, you cant do that because:

1. Right to bear arms in constitution is virtually impossible to be removed.
2. Even if you could remove it, its virtually impossible to get rid of the 300+ million firearms that are floating around in the US, and even if you did criminals would never hand in theirs, so law-abiding citizens would become defenseless sitting ducks.

Its too late for gun-control folks, the horse has left the barn
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Only if you want gun "control" to equal taking your gun away. It's amazing how people can accept that vehicle control (speed limits, seat belts, insurance, licenses) makes us safer as we enjoy our cars, but any form of gun control means the end of the universe as we know it. Perhaps if we start looking at our deadly weapons as more than "just a gun," we can start to create a civilization that deserves its Second Amendment right. It's never too late to start respecting our toys.
 
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HowardBThiname said:
Since there are many steps the nation can take (collectively and individually), and did, following the Sandy Hook tragedy, your point is moot when you attempt to narrow the options to "gun control." Schools around the country have hired more security officers, armed them, trained them and put additional strong security measures in place.

Intelligent Americans understand that the gun control methods being proposed by some are counterproductive to the solution, which is keeping the children safe.

Now, we have a new tragedy, and you're intent upon riding the coffins of 1st graders because your opinion of how to solve the problem was seen as foolhardy and rejected.

If you're serious about stopping these types of events, how about coming up with some common sense ideas that will help ensure that once a shooter starts, he's shut down immediately.

Wait, we actually have a case where that happened in a church. This is the way to limit casualties:

Guard’s hands “didn’t even shake” as she shot gunman – The Denver Post
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This will add more fire to the movement to have the 2nd Amendment revised to reflect modern society, this is not 1760. Out with the old, in with the new. Anyone who suggest that a national conversation should not at least have gun control on the table is sucking on the NRA's tit.
 
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Lursa said:
Sorry about your friend. THere are alot of stories, mostly about women, that end up this way after stalkers or rejected boyfriends/ex-husbands. IMO women should never be discouraged to take whatever means are necessary to protect themselves. It's a disgrace when people do that.
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She did a lot to protect herself. I have heard of other women in her situation. A restraining order is a joke. There are so many woman killed in instances where the guy is threatening to kill them. I guess harassing and threatening to kill somebody is not a crime.

If you fall asleep and he shoots you while you are sleeping, you can't do anything.

Men acting like that are practically determined to murder.
 
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Desert Storm said:
Good thing I dont need a stamp of approval from you
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Truth sucks ya, though in Trump Land integrity is shed at the door.
 
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They are about to give a press conference over this horrific tragedy.

You can watch it online at the link below.

More than 20 dead in Sutherland Springs church shooting | kens5.com

There are no words to express the overwhelming sorrow. Children were killed. One 6 year old boy was shot multiple times and is now in surgery.
 
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The most that will be offered is prayer. It hasn't stopped the shootings yet.
 
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JANFU said:
Has the shooter been identified??
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Not as of 5:15 pM eastern. The gunman is dead. He crashed about 11 miles from town. It's the smallest down in Texas, the 2000 census had it having 500 people in it. He did show up in tactical gear. At this point, it is unknown if he killed himself, or if the police killed him.
 
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What the heck is happening to your country!
 
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SheWolf said:
I read over 20 killed and 20 wounded. This must have been a mega church. I would also think that in Texas, a lot of people would be armed.
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The entire town had 500 people in it, so I do not think it could be a mega church.
 
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eohrnberger said:
Indeed. I wonder if he's going to turn out to be someone with left leaning tendencies or not.
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That is ffn disgusting, to bring politics into this. God damn it you should be ashamed.
 
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RAMOSS said:
Not as of 5:15 pM eastern. The gunman is dead. He crashed about 11 miles from town. It's the smallest down in Texas, the 2000 census had it having 500 people in it. He did show up in tactical gear. At this point, it is unknown if he killed himself, or if the police killed him.
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Heard on CNN the Police shot him. But then again, that can change
 
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I understand the mods wanting to “direct traffic”, but how does anyone separate this kind of incident and the debate for a change in how things are done re. The 2nd Amendment?
 
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JANFU said:
That is ffn disgusting, to bring politics into this. God damn it you should be ashamed.
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Seems to be a trend amongst the left, or so it seems.

Bet you that by Monday morning all the Democrats will be resuming their cried for more gun control to punish the legal gun owners owners who are no threat to anyone. With the Vega shooter it was all of 5 hours. :roll:

There's also a followup post of mine, which is far more where I'm at on this.

I agree with those who say that good public policy isn't created in the heat of the moment when emotions are running high, yet every single time, that's exactly where the political left run.
 
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Still waiting for the news conference. Waiting on the governor to arrive.
Different reports state a 2yr old child was killed and the pastor's 14 year old daughter.
Four other children are also victims of the shooter and are at the hospital.
One 6 year old boy is among them who was shot multiple times and is currently in surgery.
Pregnant mothers were also shot and killed.

Reports state gunman was dressed in full combat garb.
 
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Higgins86 said:
Been a couple of weeks since America’s last mass shooting, was getting worried.
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ever thought that the massive attention mass murderers get might inspire other loons to do the same? Why not wait until we know the facts before trying to politicize it
 
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TurtleDude said:
ever thought that the massive attention mass murderers get might inspire other loons to do the same? Why not wait until we know the facts before trying to politicize it
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So your advice is just ignore it and it will go away? That did work for the monster under my bed.
 
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"And then I thought, when they massacre our babies in their kindergarten classes, our little children, that will be when we ask ourselves, can we continue with this madness? But that happened, and nothing changed there either. So, I guess we know who we are and what’s important to us. If our guns are more important than our elected officials, more important than our families at the mall, more important than our children in school...if that’s who we are, I think we need to ask why....And it’s not the question we’re asking."

-John Miller
https://www.cafe.com/from-preet-on-gun-control-with-john-miller/
 
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Maccabee said:
The same semi auto in the hands of a law abiding citizen could've stopped this guy.
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I am curious. The same auto in the hands of a law abiding citizen who shot the wrong guy....what penalty do think would be levied against him?

I am not trying to be difficult, just trying to figure out how far this goes.
 
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eohrnberger said:
Seems to be a trend amongst the left, or so it seems.

Bet you that by Monday morning all the Democrats will be resuming their cried for more gun control to punish the legal gun owners owners who are no threat to anyone. With the Vega shooter it was all of 5 hours. :roll:

There's also a followup post of mine, which is far more where I'm at on this.

I agree with those who say that good public policy isn't created in the heat of the moment when emotions are running high, yet every single time, that's exactly where the political left run.
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Talking about how to prevent things like this in the future is EXACTLY what politicians should be doing. Wishing the shooter is a left leaning person so you can keep talking about how terrible the left like the previous poster did is not. People want gun control because they are uncomfortable with the possibility that a person can amass an arsenal and go kill 500 people practically whenever they want. Why does it not make sense to talk about gun control after that very thing happens? I would not blame Trump for talking about extreme vetting if a failure of vetting a person who came from a person on his banned countery list led to a terrorist attack. That would make perfect sense. Wouldn't it make sense to you?
 
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Cardinal said:
"And then I thought, when they massacre our babies in their kindergarten classes, our little children, that will be when we ask ourselves, can we continue with this madness? But that happened, and nothing changed there either. So, I guess we know who we are and what’s important to us. If our guns are more important than our elected officials, more important than our families at the mall, more important than our children in school...if that’s who we are, I think we need to ask why....And it’s not the question we’re asking."

-John Miller
https://www.cafe.com/from-preet-on-gun-control-with-john-miller/
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Unless you eliminate guns entirely, there will be people who abuse the 2nd amendment.

So, which is it?

Please tell us.
 
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RetiredUSN said:
Unless you eliminate guns entirely, there will be people who abuse the 2nd amendment.

So, which is it?

Please tell us.
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Your question is the Nirvana Fallacy. Nevertheless, the most minimal solution would be to emulate a system that still has guns and low gun-related homicides.
 
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